Seth Davis is an idiot

[Big Dog]

There is ABSOLUTELY NO WAY that Southern Illinois would be given a higher seed than Georgetown (in the East region no less) if the tournament were to start tomorrow. This is the stupidest, dumbest, most moronic compilation I've ever seen.

sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/seth_davis/02/13/hoop.thoughts/1.html

[Filo]

Typical nonsense. Davis fell hard off the bandwagon when the Hoyas started slow. Seems to hold a grudge and cannot now admit that the Hoyas were overrated at the beginning of the season but the pre-season number 8 seed is starting to look about right now.

[vcjack]

I like how he implies that Marquette's loss was a bad loss, can't he understand that its possible that we are better than them?

[GUMBA]

I would argue that we should be seeded ahead of Indiana and Marquette as well but the Hoyas resurection as a top 16 team has been recent and fast. Give it a couple more days and the four seed (or better!) will come.

[sleepyjackson21]

Seth Davis relies to much on the numbers. Southern Illinois has a RPI of 9 and leads the Missouri Valley. If you look at their schedule they don't have that many impressive victories. They have a lot of solid victories but nothing that really blows you away. Va Tech and the two wins against Creighton are probably their best wins. Still, SIU is a very solid ball club. Right now i think they should get at least a 5 seed. If they beat Butler and then win out then maybe they could at least be in the discussion for a 3 seed but that's still a long ways off.

[guru]

Davis has gotten too big for his britches rather quickly. Nothing to get worked up about, though - he's the one who will look stupid. In fact, he already does. We should sic Bilas on his ass. Dookie on Dookie violence.

[kghoya]

i saw him on at halftime of the unc - kentucky game...he had marquette in his final four...i guess hes still riding that train

[Jack]

C'mon guys, everyone knows that guard play is the most important thing to make the Final 4, and clearly Marquette's chuckers will lead the way to Atlanta.

[FLHoya]

jack said:

C'mon guys, everyone knows that guard play is the most important thing to make the Final 4, and clearly Marquette's chuckers will lead the way to Atlanta.

Are there connecting flights from Hartsfield-Jackson back to Milwaukee on the first Friday of the tournament I wasn't aware of? ;D

[coloradohoya]

He just floats from bandwagon to bandwagon. He knows very little about college basketball. I would agree with him that Southern Illinois is a very talented squad, but I think Georgetown is just as good.

[TBird41]

"He just floats from bandwagon to bandwagon. He knows very little about college basketball. I would agree with him that Southern Illinois is a very talented squad, but I think Georgetown is just as good better."

There you go Colorado--fixed it for ya ;D

[The Stig]

Don't get too worked up over what one self-proclaimed expert has to say. If we keep winning, we'll be impossible to overlook.

[njcoach]

He should be lashed.

[DonkDonk]

I understand Big Dog's point though - Davis should know better. Anyone who has watched and analyzed the Hoyas over the last four weeks would understand that this team is playing a type of basketball that is superior to most everyone. And they're getting better. Analysts should identify trends and to ignore the recent Hoya surge is unbelievable. Even if he doesn't think we've earned a four seed up to this point, anyone who has paid attention to college basketball over the last month would have to estimate that by Selection Sunday we will have achieved a record that would place us as at least as a 4.

It's the whole "queue mentality" the AP poll/Coaches poll that the board has harped upon (everybody moves incrementally without regard to how good a team has become) showing itself in a slapped-together tourney prediction. Davis was one of our biggest fans heading into the tourney last year so I don't quite get it.

And SIU? - isn't the MVC relatively down this year? Maybe I'm wrong - but I think people/analysts WANT the MVC to be good so badly that they shower praise upon those schools to appear as if they've done their homework on the nontraditional teams.

[ncaaball2]

And there is no way the Big East is only getting 5 bids, as Seth keeps saying.

[HoyaSinceBirth]

BE bids: Pitt, Hoyas, Marquette, WV, Louisville, Nova, and either providence or cuse or both.

[ilovescruggs]

I would love to believe that the Big East is getting 6 bids, but with the back end of the conference playing like the Big Easy, it's not going to happen. Pitt, GU, Marquette and Nova are in, in my eyes, as of right now. Nova has great numbers, but we were probably their best win, so they still may be on the fence. Louisville is close after the Pitt win, ditto for WVU after UCLA, but they're both far from locks. And PC and Cuse? No sir. The Orange's best Non-con win is Hofstra and they've only got wins against Nova and Marquette that are of any note. PC has the BC win and the Marquette win, but absolutely nothing else. The Friars have a lot of work to make the tourney. I think it will end up being six, but to flat out say he's wrong with five is a little much.

And to make this post at least tangentially related to the Davis line, I think you're all right in that he's putting a lot of weight on the numbers, but doesn't the selection committee do the same thing? As well as we're playing it's time to face the truth: If we want a top 16 seed, we need to beat Nova and Pitt. So let's get it done.

[RockawayHoya]

ilovescruggs said:

I would love to believe that the Big East is getting 6 bids, but with the back end of the conference playing like the Big Easy, it's not going to happen. Pitt, GU, Marquette and Nova are in, in my eyes, as of right now. Nova has great numbers, but we were probably their best win, so they still may be on the fence.

Nova's best win was against us. And that was a damn good win for them. Teams like Duke, Oregon and ODU too are going to get huge points for beating us earlier in the year. I think we really can start to claim to be an elite team again when beating us makes another team's season or plays a large role in their postseason resume.

[Filo]

rockawayhoya said:

ilovescruggs said:

I would love to believe that the Big East is getting 6 bids, but with the back end of the conference playing like the Big Easy, it's not going to happen. Pitt, GU, Marquette and Nova are in, in my eyes, as of right now. Nova has great numbers, but we were probably their best win, so they still may be on the fence.

Nova's best win was against us. And that was a damn good win for them. Teams like Duke, Oregon and ODU too are going to get huge points for beating us earlier in the year. I think we really can start to claim to be an elite team again when beating us makes another team's season or plays a large role in their postseason resume.

I think we can start to claim we are an elite team when we don't have those bad losses (losing games we should win).

Only half-serious, since I know that there are always going to be unexpected losses... Would just like to see a few less of them!

[ExcitableBoy]

filo said:

rockawayhoya said:

Nova's best win was against us. And that was a damn good win for them. Teams like Duke, Oregon and ODU too are going to get huge points for beating us earlier in the year. I think we really can start to claim to be an elite team again when beating us makes another team's season or plays a large role in their postseason resume.

I think we can start to claim we are an elite team when we don't have those bad losses (losing games we should win).

Only half-serious, since I know that there are always going to be unexpected losses... Would just like to see a few less of them!

We've lost five games so far this year... I can live with that. I would much rather watch us progress over the course of the season from a pretty average looking team at the beginning of the year- which will by definition lose some games- to a nasty looking team come February (and hopefully March).