Ewing / Beilein Discussion

[Bando]

So I'm perusing the WVU boards, and of course none of them even mention Alexander's weak cut off of JWall. Not surprised. The "THUG" label is out in force, which reads like a euphemism for a not -very-nice word.

[WVHoyasfan]

I loved the game and how Gtown played and the only downfall to all of this is the Ewing cheepshot.Guys that was uncalled for and he needed thrown out of the game.Alexander did'nt do a thing to him.He did'nt take out Jwall's legs he was simply going after the ball like every other player would do.

You guys are saying you like players showing emotion will I do to BUT not like that.A player can show emotion when he scores a big basket,or when the team is on a big run,or when the team won at the buzzer.The thing that Ewing done tonight was cowardly and was something that a punk would.I know Ewing isn't no punk b/c this is the first time that I've seen him do something like that.I hope he understands that he lost control and will learn from this mistake b/c stuff like this will only make a team look bad.

[SSHoya]

I watched at the end of the game to see if Beilein and Ewing shook hands. They did, gave each other a couple pats on the back. I think this is no big deal.

[jerseyhoya34]

Over on the WVU boards, you can also find fans from other schools chiming in to say they wish WVU would have won the game.

We're back, folks. It is Georgetown vs. the world. You can give me JW, Sapp, Summers, Jeff, Roy, EWING, and the rest of our bench any day of the week, and we're going to kick some butt.

[HoyaAtHeart]

this post was totally unnecessary

[HoyaInsomniac]

Heat of the moment. Each team should've been T'ed up. If he'd stayed that rough for the rest of the game, it would indicate a problem, but I don't think we'll have much to worry about down the line. He kept his head and served it back in a win. Moving on to Villanoverated.

[bubbrubbhoya]

Anything in the post-game press conferences about this? Any apologies? Any Bob Knightish activity by the press? (I agree, excitableboy, that had Knight done this, it would be top story on SC for a week. I mean, the guy tells HIS OWN player to buck up by smacking the player's chin, and people are calling for his scalp. Tonight's incident was just played on SC, and they called out Ewing but barely made a pip about Bee-Line. More of the ESPN hypocrisy we've been talking about recently on this board.)

[The Stig]

The fact that PEII's intentions were good with the bump doesn't change the fact that it was a silly thing to do. Alexander had his foul, the crowd was going nuts for JWall, and everything was going the Hoyas' way. Sure he had a good reason to bump Alexander, but he had even better reasons not to. He should have gotten a technical for what he did.

Beilein's reaction was also unacceptable, and he should have gotten at least a technical if not an ejection for it.

That said, I think both can be forgiven for what they did. It was the heat of the moment, both wanted to protect their guys, and they just let their emotions get the better of them for a second. Beilein's not some criminal for going after PEII, and PEII's certainly not a thug. It was an isolated incident on both sides.

What is unforgiveable is the fact that the refs simply let it all go. They even reviewed the tape, and still decided that two obvious breaches of acceptable basketball behavior should go unpunished. When things get physical after the whistle, the refs HAVE to stop it and make sure it doesn't happen again. When the refs don't do anything, the game gets out of control, and somebody could get hurt. An inexplicable and unforgiveable move on their part.

[The Stig]

sshoya2 said:

I watched at the end of the game to see if Beilein and Ewing shook hands. They did, gave each other a couple pats on the back. I think this is no big deal.

That's really good to see. No harm done.

[dajuan]

I was at the game and I didn't see exactly what happened and wasn't privy to a replay. I thought PEJ just kind of put his shoulder into the guy and walked through him. That's not that bad. I mean, he didn't throw a punch or anything, did he? The ref. looked at it on the little TV and didn't give him a T for it, so I assume he didn't do anything more than I saw. Can someone explain exactly what happened?

And, I don't agree with the logic that just because that guy didn't do anything directly to PEJ, he should have stayed out of it. That's exactly what "energy guys" or "enforcers" do when their guys get taken out. They stand up and make it known that they are not going to let it happen.

[GIGAFAN99]

wvhoyasfan said:

I loved the game and how Gtown played and the only downfall to all of this is the Ewing cheepshot.Guys that was uncalled for and he needed thrown out of the game.Alexander did'nt do a thing to him.He did'nt take out Jwall's legs he was simply going after the ball like every other player would do.

You guys are saying you like players showing emotion will I do to BUT not like that.A player can show emotion when he scores a big basket,or when the team is on a big run,or when the team won at the buzzer.The thing that Ewing done tonight was cowardly and was something that a punk would.I know Ewing isn't no punk b/c this is the first time that I've seen him do something like that.I hope he understands that he lost control and will learn from this mistake b/c stuff like this will only make a team look bad.

I understand Alexander might not have meant anything but you have to pick:

Alexander is dumb

Alexander is dirty

There are no other options. What exactly was he going to do with that potential backcourt violation if he caught up to it by sliding under Wallace? Call timeout and get the ball out of bounds where he would have it if he just let JW touch it? If you admit he's a moron, that's fine. And maybe the whole thing was misconstrued by PE Jr. But he wasn't "doing what any player would do," at least not a smart player.

PE Jr. was at fault for the jawing on the next play (he got a T) after everything had seemingly settled. But the bump? Sorry, I think he just thought Alexander saw a chance to take a teammate out and stood up for him. And Beilein? I thought he acted exactly how any coach would. Done deal.

[Deleted]

Wow. Having seen the replay a few times now, I'm STUNNED we're even having this discussion. PEJR barely bumps the guy, doesn't extend the forearm into a shove at all... this is a non-story if I've ever seen one. Didn't say anything, didn't taunt... just kind of walked through the guy WITHOUT being overly physical.

As far as I'm concerned, Beilein made this into more than what it was. The subsequent jawing is one thing, but the whole "bump" is clearly being blown WAY, WAY, WAY out of proportion.

[prhoya]

I just watched the highlight in slow motion. Alexander goes in an all-out sprint and basically clips Wallace from behind and Wallace ends sprawled all over the WVU bench. For those of you that say he was just going after the ball, you're wrong. Watch it again. Alexander gets up and doesn't help Wallace out. Obviously, the WVU players were frustrated with how the game was going. What a jerk! Even his coach gets on him. And then comes the well-deserved Ewing bump, not an elbow or what have you.

[DanMcQ]

bubbrubbhoya said:

Anything in the post-game press conferences about this? Any apologies?

GUHoyas.com: Post-Game Quotes

(sorry, nothing incendiary)


...nothing in the Camille Powell Wash Post game story either...

[tal1286]

buffalohoya said:

Wow. Having seen the replay a few times now, I'm STUNNED we're even having this discussion. PEJR barely bumps the guy, doesn't extend the forearm into a shove at all... this is a non-story if I've ever seen one. Didn't say anything, didn't taunt... just kind of walked through the guy WITHOUT being overly physical.

As far as I'm concerned, Beilein made this into more than what it was. The subsequent jawing is one thing, but the whole "bump" is clearly being blown WAY, WAY, WAY out of proportion.

Just saw the replays and this is exactly what I was going to say. Beilein escalated this.

[bubbrubbhoya]

danmcq said:

bubbrubbhoya said:

Anything in the post-game press conferences about this? Any apologies?

GUHoyas.com: Post-Game Quotes

(sorry, nothing incendiary)

Haha, thanks. Actually, I wasn't looking for anything incendiary. Hoping that things would be confirmed as cooled down, as a matter of fact. Though if anyone does want to see something incendiary, follow Bando and JerseyHoya's lead and head over to the WVU boards. Many of their posters are maintaining level heads and have good analyses of the situation, but there are a few that should more than raise some eyebrows:
mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?S=159&F=2509&T=112344&STO=pagestart

By the way, the poster JerseyHoya refers to who wished Georgetown had lost is a 'Cuse fan.

[RBHoya]

Not only are their boards throwing around "thug" (it must be there 100 times if its there once) but also classless (hahahahaha) and the worst one I saw was:

"Chip off the old Gorilla"

EDITED.

[hoya39]

Obviously you didn't see the whole play. The ball was going out of bounds on a back court violation against Gtown. The ball was out and Alexander from WVU(had no play on the ball) ran hard and clipped wallace from behind. If it were the NFL it would have been a 15 yarder and flagrent. Totally unecessary. Grant what ewing did was unecessary bet it was a small bump. that's it. The alexander foul could have ended wallace's season. Beiline then grabs ewing. not ok. get the whole picture please. ewing was defending his team mate. a great thing.

[WVHoyasfan]

rbhoya said:

Not only are their boards throwing around "thug" (it must be there 100 times if its there once) but also classless (hahahahaha) and the worst one I saw was:

"Chip off the old Gorilla"

EDITED.

RBHoya,wheres that statment at??I post on there!!

[theexorcist]

I was at the game. Here are my views.

1. It was a bump. It probably should have been a T. It was not a "Thug" hit.

2. PE Jr should have cooled it, based on the principle that he may get suspended for a dumb decision for the game against Villanova. This would be Very. Not. Cool. You don't win the battle only to lose the war.

3. Beilein should not have touched PE Jr. Coaches don't touch players, especially based on the principle that coaches are there as teachers. Beilein should be suspended for the next game and fined. Woody Hayes got fired for punching a player. Coaches shouldn't interject themselves into the playing field (except in rare cases to shield a player and defuse the situation in an all-out brawl).

4. My stomach turns when the board basically wants PE Jr to bring out the knives on someone. These are kids. In almost every case, the posters on this board are older than the players - sometimes twice their age or more. In the pro game, I can see the Flyers picking fights and making people bleed. Encouraging someone to hit someone else at this level just seems sort of sick. I'm not saying that the team shouldn't play hard, and that they should play to the limits of what will be called by the refs. But this half-baked mishmash of bushido and honor killings seems insane.

5. Georgetown didn't win in the 80s because they started fights. They won because they played fundamentally sound defense that was aggressive. People played up the fights because it was easier to stereotype the Hoyas as a bunch of thugs. They weren't then and they aren't now.

6. The really sad part about this is that Georgetown destroyed WV. Absolutely eviscerated them. Many people aren't talking about that. That's the pity.