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Post by cuvahoya on Feb 12, 2007 22:48:27 GMT -5
Ewing's contact with Alexander warranted a T. However, I find it interesting that the game announcers & the ESPN commentator stated Ewing was out of place, but no mention was made of the play that preceded it or of Beilen touching Ewing.
As a coach, unless there is a highly unusual situation (such as a fight), you CAN NOT put your hands on another team's player. Can you imagine if JT3 had grabbed a W. Virginia player or even worse a Duke player in the same scenario? JT3 would be lambasted by every commentator w/ a microphone.
Ewing's heart was in the right place, and both Alexander & Beilen were at least equally wrong. And, Alexander could have seriously injured JW. So, cut Ewing some slack.
(BTW, it appeared to me that Alexander stared at Green after Alexander's breakaway dunk, is anybody going to get on him for that).
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Post by DuddingtonHoya on Feb 12, 2007 22:53:36 GMT -5
What Beilen did was completely unacceptable in a college game. Equivalent to Ron Artest punching a fan. He should have been ejected -- if the Big East doesn't suspend him following the game, it will be a disgrace.
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Post by ephoya04 on Feb 12, 2007 22:57:08 GMT -5
Daytona, no worries my man, that's what this is all about, if you can't take it, don't give it right? No hard feelings here. I think the analogy to the brush back pitch is spot on, and if I were any less lazy I'd scroll back to see who made it. It doesn't hurt anyone it just sends a message. Could he have waited until they got back in to the flow of the game? Probably. But as I said, I don't think this crossed the line like ripping someones head off or worse, throwing a punch. As someone else correctly pointed out, the T about 0.4 seconds later was worse, but I'm pretty sure that was a make-up call as he (and Jonny B) deserved a T.
Look, I've on varsity teams, as I'm sure many of us on the board have and you know when the game is on, the juices get flowing. Having been in the situation where I've had my legs chopped and had teammates get my back, I will tell you who's feeling the best out of everyone right now is JW. Right now he knows that next time he drives the lane and someone hacks him, his teammates have his back, and quite frankly (sorry to go all Stephen A), come tourney time, that grit and guts is going to win us games. In the long-haul, there are not going to be suspensions handed down and I think this is a net positive.
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Post by Bando on Feb 12, 2007 22:57:09 GMT -5
Disagree with the Pope all you want, but some of you are getting a little personal towards him, and that's not cool. This isn't slashdot. Or is there some posting history I'm forgetting?
As for the merits of the discussion, I think PE Jr. has to keep learning to cool it. I'd rather enforce by kicking the ever-living snot out of our opponents than playing hockey rules. There's game specific examples of PE Jr.'s emotion getting out of hand as well, e.g., his tendency to foul people taking a three. We don't need that.
That said, Beilein should be suspended by the Big East, at least for one game. To quote Animal House, "they can't do that to our pledges. Yeah, only we can do that to our pledges".
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Post by Omega on Feb 12, 2007 22:58:05 GMT -5
Give me a break! What Ewing did was exactly correct-- send a message to the opposing team letting them know that that kinf of stuff is not going to happen in our gym. The truth of the matter is the play was over. It was a back court violation! THERE WAS ABSOLUTELY NO NEED FOR THAT DUD TO DIVE AT WALLACE. Wallace was unprotected and could have gotten hurt. If he had, GUs season would be over. Every HS player understands a back court violation. Surly dude knew it a violation and once Wallace touched the ball it was going back to WVU. To come down on Ewing for the bump is simply foolish!
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Post by sleepy on Feb 12, 2007 22:58:48 GMT -5
Pope you seemed to forget point 6.The first outward sign of a physical intimidation factor that this team needs, and is just beginning to exhibit. I do believe that PE jr. must have spent some time with Michael Graham on Saturday night.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Feb 12, 2007 22:59:15 GMT -5
I can't understand this board sometimes. Here we take a belt to WVU, and we're talking about a silly taunting tech. That's crap.
Fact is that Ewing adds so much to the energy of this team and gave us some great minutes so JW and Roy could get some needed rest. This was not an issue of out of control emotions. It was an issue of Beilein being out of control, the officials not having control over him, and Pat taking matters into his own hands.
Funny that things seemed to simmer down after that.
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Post by ExcitableBoy on Feb 12, 2007 23:01:15 GMT -5
What Beilen did was completely unacceptable in a college game. Equivalent to Ron Artest punching a fan. He should have been ejected -- if the Big East doesn't suspend him following the game, it will be a disgrace. I think a public apology (or at least publicly stating he's apologized to Ewing) and a suspension would be a minimum. Coaches lose jobs for laying hands on opposing players and this situation didn't even warrant a technical?!? Get real refs, you made some dicey calls were cowards when it mattered most.
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Post by SirSaxa on Feb 12, 2007 23:02:06 GMT -5
I think a little perspective is in order.
This whole thing started when Alexander undercut Wallace and sent him flying, but it was not on purpose.
In response, Ewing gave Alexander a little shove... not a big deal, and certainly not an "out of control emotional response". It was a little reminder to take it easy on the little guys (like Wallace).
Beilein got upset at the shove -- and understandably. It has already been pointed out that he should not have made physical contact with PE Jr (or any opposing player ever). But, his contact wasn't such a big deal either.
The one thing I think we can fault Jr. for was picking up that T a moment later.
As for those who think it's good to have a little attitude, swagger, Hoya Paranoia... I agree. PE Jr's shove was really very tame. It's not as though he took a swing, or started talking trash or was really aggressive. Just a little reminder.
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Post by seaweed on Feb 12, 2007 23:02:13 GMT -5
I remember in 85-86 we had 4 freshmen including undersized Charles Smith. I forget what game it was, probably Cuse at the Cap Center, and some thug Mofo from Cuse came in and dunked over Smitty, who was hopelessly giving up his body trying to get a foul. The opposing player, Rony Seikley or some such schmuck did a little dance after running Smitty over, and it didn't look good to have our guy slammed over and down.
About 5 minutes later, Jonathan Edwards found himself on the break, closing from the wing with that same opponent standing under the joop looking like a deer in the headlights. The posterization they put on him, the thundering tomohawk dunk that is still reverberating in the woods of Landover, the foul and the made free throw set the tone for the rest of the game and for their careers. Nothing hurts an ego worse than scraping your jurting ass off the floor when you got called for the foul. Nobody ever treated Smitty like a barely 6 foot punk again, cause his teammates had proven that challenge to him meant retaliation from Hoyas everywhere.
Most of these facts are probably wrong - maybe it was Jaren not Jonathan that came back on them, maybe it was SJU not 'Cuse, but the story is the same - don't mess with a 6 footer when his 7 foot friend is watching, and on THIS team, somebody is always watching.
I did not see tonight's game, my Dad inconveniently decided to turn 80 tonight. From what I hear, it sound like Ewing gave this punk from WVU exactly what he needed - a reminder that none of us is as small as the shortest guy out there, cause a team has your back and elevates you.
I say Beat em Up, F em Up, Go Georgetown. There is a huge difference between classless play and playing a mans game forcefully. If they are going to get the ball or the shots anyway, they might as well wake up in the morning remembering who they played last night.
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Post by aggypryd on Feb 12, 2007 23:02:17 GMT -5
I think Beilein(sp) just got emotional and confronted Ewing. I don't know what he said, but I'd like to believe it was nothing more than letting Pat know that what he did wasn't called for.
Still have much respect for him.
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Post by Bando on Feb 12, 2007 23:04:36 GMT -5
Give me a break! What Ewing did was exactly correct-- send a message to the opposing team letting them know that that kinf of stuff is not going to happen in our gym. The truth of the matter is the play was over. It was a back court violation! THERE WAS ABSOLUTELY NO NEED FOR THAT DUD TO DIVE AT WALLACE. Wallace was unprotected and could have gotten hurt. If he had, GUs season would be over. Every HS player understands a back court violation. Surly dude knew it a violation and once Wallace touched the ball it was going back to WVU. To come down on Ewing for the bump is simply foolish! Alexander got called for the foul! Sure, should have been intentional or flagrant, but it's not like he got away with it.
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Post by vcjack on Feb 12, 2007 23:06:14 GMT -5
Pope, I understand your concern, we don't want a Ron Artest on our team. However, what Pat did was completely legitamate standing up for the mugging that Alexander gave JWall, and Balein should have been kicked out of the district for that action. YOU CANNOT LAY YOUR HANDS ON OUR BOYS!!!!!!
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Post by Loyal Hoya on Feb 12, 2007 23:07:20 GMT -5
Sir Saxa is right. The whole thing is a tempest in a teapot. PE bumped a player who undercut one of our players. I actually don't even think Alexander was trying to hurt Wallace. It was a smart play by Wallace to get the possession and prevent Alexander from getting to the ball.
PE's shoulder bump was unnecessary but hardly felonious. Beilein's probably shouldn't have said anything to PE or touched him, but it looked like he was just saying that the shoulder bump was uncalled for.
I can't get excited about the incident from either perspective.
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Post by ExcitableBoy on Feb 12, 2007 23:07:29 GMT -5
I think Beilein(sp) just got emotional and confronted Ewing. I don't know what he said, but I'd like to believe it was nothing more than letting Pat know that what he did wasn't called for. Still have much respect for him. There are more appropriate (and classier) ways to let a player know what he did wasn't called for. For example, NOT stepping onto the court and NOT grabbing the other player. He lost his cool and I hope he is as embarassed about it as he should be. If only Sports Center replays clips of this non-stop like they would if Bobby Knight had done it.
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Post by MCIGuy on Feb 12, 2007 23:08:08 GMT -5
Folks, I don't care how nostalgic some folks are for the old days. Pat didn't need to do that.
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Post by mdhoya97 on Feb 12, 2007 23:09:36 GMT -5
Being at the game. I loved PE jr defending J. Wall. The coach was totally in approrpriate for touching an opposing player... but the best part was the chant. "A** H*LE" and "Sit Down Coach". Good coordination on that last one.
I think PEJr Techinical was more for his early shove and not his taunting. The ref were looking to cool something on him after that.
Bee hime, needs to be suspended. NO WAY should an opposing coach walk on to the floor, follow a player and grab him. no way.
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Post by kghoya on Feb 12, 2007 23:10:04 GMT -5
wallace went down after a poor decision by alexander...you gotta have a guy like ewing make sure the other team knows that those types of plays will not be tolerated...
keep it up patrick
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Post by tal1286 on Feb 12, 2007 23:11:43 GMT -5
I think Beilein(sp) just got emotional and confronted Ewing. I don't know what he said, but I'd like to believe it was nothing more than letting Pat know that what he did wasn't called for. Still have much respect for him. You respect a coach who grabbed one of our players by the jersey? A coach who confronted a PLAYER physically? There is no place for that in college basketball. I used to like Bee Line but what he did is inexcusable.
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Post by Just Cos on Feb 12, 2007 23:12:15 GMT -5
Disagree with the Pope all you want, but some of you are getting a little personal towards him, and that's not cool. This isn't slashdot. Or is there some posting history I'm forgetting? I'm seriously.
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