DallasHoya
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Post by DallasHoya on Feb 12, 2007 22:24:23 GMT -5
I thought this was the Men's basketball board.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2007 22:24:32 GMT -5
ep, I feel you and understand where you're coming from, but you can't do it in plain view of everyone, and you can't do it in front of the opposing bench. It's like a police sweep. You don't do something when things are "hot".....you do it when things calm down, when nobodies looking. Then you send the message. What kind of vigilante justice crap is that?!? Be a man. Stick up for your teammates when someone takes a shot at them. Screw all this "class" and "control your emotions" crap. When a guy makes a run at your teammate, you let him know that weak sauce (in a complete blow-out, by the way) won't be tolerated.
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Post by tgo on Feb 12, 2007 22:25:55 GMT -5
i love pe jr. so much right now.
he didnt punch and to me it didnt even look like he said anything- correct me on this if i am wrong, he just walked through him to send a message, that is how it is done, he was right at the line and almost went over but didnt, you dont throw blows and you dont cuss people out but you do show them that they cant push around your point guard. just like a knock down pitch in baseball, there is a right way and a wrong way to retaliate, that doesnt mean there is never a place for some intimidation
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GIGAFAN99
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Feb 12, 2007 22:26:13 GMT -5
Pope, get off the high horse. From here on out it's simple: fall/jump (it was a combination of the two) on the Alabama Rainmaker, Jonathan Wallace, and Patrick Ewing (Jr.) will make you regret it. That is good for this team. Also, what gives you the idea that Ewing would do this in any game? All year he's been emotional, but all year he has been emotionally in control. At times he gets a little out of control by going a million miles an hour, give or take a few miles per hour, on the court, but that's it. Your criticism is unfounded and ridiculous. Then again, so was your prediction that we would lose to Notre Dame. dude, like do you keep track of all my posts and predictions. you are weirding me out. ewing has admitted himself that he needs to work on his self-control and that coach has talked to him about it. he still has work to do, thats all. why not ask PE SR how he felt in retrospect about leaving the bench (with a bunch of his other teammates) in game 5 of the conference semis going to the defense of charlie ward against the heat and missing game 6? they went on to lose game 7, wasting the entire years effort trying to win an NBA title. he said to the nyc press he regretted doing it. season down the tubes in a split second. but yeah, that was worth it cause its "old school" basketball!!! woooohoooo!!! jeez. i cant believe im arguing with georgetown students about this. His problem was the tech after for taunting. The bump is fine. Sorry but Alexander cannot dive at someone on a freakin' backcourt and expect me to believe he's just "playing hard." You've just managed to compare a brawl in which players violated specific NBA rules that guarantee suspension with a bump after a cheap shot. Not the same thing.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2007 22:28:02 GMT -5
i love pe jr. so much right now. he didnt punch and to me it didnt even look like he said anything- correct me on this if i am wrong, he just walked through him to send a message, that is how it is done, he was right at the line and almost went over but didnt, you dont throw blows and you dont cuss people out but you do show them that they cant push around your point guard. just like a knock down pitch in baseball, there is a right way and a wrong way to retaliate, that doesnt mean there is never a place for some intimidation ... and... I thought this was the Men's basketball board. Hell yes. And Pope, cool it on the "he's going to blow the NCAA's for us" yap. Did he? Has he? No. Until he does, there's no reason for your concerned parent jabber... ... your holiness.
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zxhoya
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Post by zxhoya on Feb 12, 2007 22:28:36 GMT -5
ep, I feel you and understand where you're coming from, but you can't do it in plain view of everyone, and you can't do it in front of the opposing bench. It's like a police sweep. You don't do something when things are "hot".....you do it when things calm down, when nobodies looking. Then you send the message. What kind of vigilante justice crap is that?!? Be a man. Stick up for your teammates when someone takes a shot at them. Screw all this "class" and "control your emotions" crap. When a guy makes a run at your teammate, you let him know that weak sauce (in a complete blow-out, by the way) won't be tolerated. Agree 100% Buff.
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sweetness
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Post by sweetness on Feb 12, 2007 22:29:33 GMT -5
Nice work PE JR!!! I LOVE the emotion and intensity--- I agree, you can't let Alexander leg sweep JW -- that was bush. I loved the shove, I don't care what anyone says. And Belein needs to keep his hands to himself.
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Post by zxhoya on Feb 12, 2007 22:30:42 GMT -5
I bet PEII has even more respect from his teammates and coaches than he's ever had.
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Post by aggypryd on Feb 12, 2007 22:31:57 GMT -5
Calm down, Pat...
There are times when we gotta "Knuckle-Up"...that wasn't one of them.
I think the West Va. player was just hustling.
Keep that Fire though!!!
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Feb 12, 2007 22:33:40 GMT -5
ep,
You're trippin....so you would exactly what patrick did tonight. Which is 1) shove an opposing player needlessly, get dissed on national television by the local commentator that did the game, and by the national commentators on halftime of the oklahoma state-texas game.
2) keep talking junk and get yourself teched up.
3) get yourself benched. The only reason he got back in was because JTIII wanted to get everyone else out
4) make yourself look like the aggressor and the idiot.
all in the name of retaliation??? c'mon man. That's stupid
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Post by cincyhoya on Feb 12, 2007 22:35:37 GMT -5
OK so I don't own full court and didn't see the game - only getting the recaps here... More power to PE II.. we've had too many years of directionless emotion followed by emotionless stoicism...
Combine fire with reserve and skill and yeah, sometimes maybe it'll get a little ugly, but you don't win without a little fight & attitude at some point... gives some swagger to the team and his teamates...
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zxhoya
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Post by zxhoya on Feb 12, 2007 22:36:17 GMT -5
ep, You're trippin....so you would exactly what patrick did tonight. Which is 1) shove an opposing player needlessly, get dissed on national television by the local commentator that did the game, and by the national commentators on halftime of the oklahoma state-texas game. 2) keep talking junk and get yourself teched up. 3) get yourself benched. The only reason he got back in was because JTIII wanted to get everyone else out 4) make yourself look like the aggressor and the idiot. all in the name of retaliation??? c'mon man. That's stupid All in the name of protecting your teammates!
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Post by Filo on Feb 12, 2007 22:36:19 GMT -5
Jeez oh man, the guy bumped a player during a time-out. What next, he supports cancer too?
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PopeJohn2
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Post by PopeJohn2 on Feb 12, 2007 22:36:45 GMT -5
consequences of THE BUMP 1. beilein jersey grab ---> 2. ewing hand slap ---> 3. causes a ruckus ---> 4. georgetown scoring drought 5. 2 ticky tack fouls on hibbert as the refs try to regain control sending him to the bench 6. negative news coverage of hoyas which detracts from our victory and the image jtiii has worked so hard to build 7. we win by only 18 instead of 30+, adding to the bad taste in the pollsters mouth from seeing all the negative coverage from #6, will this cost us 1 or 2 spots in the polls just because the pollsters are human?
theres got to be a better way to send a message and accomplish the same ends. either that, or lets invade iraq again.
now im really going to bed.
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zxhoya
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Post by zxhoya on Feb 12, 2007 22:40:03 GMT -5
consequences of THE BUMP 1. beilein jersey grab ---> 2. ewing hand slap ---> 3. causes a ruckus ---> 4. georgetown scoring drought 5. 2 ticky tack fouls on hibbert as the refs try to regain control sending him to the bench theres got to be a better way to send a message and accomplish the same ends. either that, or lets invade iraq again. now im really going to bed. What? Your comparing what PEII did in a basketball game to war?
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Feb 12, 2007 22:40:25 GMT -5
ep,
my apologies.....my last post was directed at buffalo because he was the one who responded to my original post.
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Post by dajuan on Feb 12, 2007 22:41:43 GMT -5
I won't be happy until PEJ punches someone.
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Post by Boz on Feb 12, 2007 22:47:22 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure it's all fine. I heard Ewing and Alexander went out for milkshakes afterwards. Pat was sticking up for a teammate. It wasn't all that big a deal, a little bump. It's not like he hauled off and floored the guy....or took a swing at a cheerleader. I'd like him to stay under control too, keep his energy a positive, but given the injury potential of Alexander's dive, I don't mind a little bump to say "stay away from my guy, jackass!" My big problem with it was it gave Digger Phelps and excuse to talk about the incident and not about how we COMPLETELY BLEW THE DOORS OFF THE MOUNTAINEERS!!! Just incredible execution. A few too many turnovers, can't let that problem creep back in with Nova coming up, but other than that, it was flawless.
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Post by ExcitableBoy on Feb 12, 2007 22:47:39 GMT -5
consequences of THE BUMP 1. beilein jersey grab ---> 2. ewing hand slap ---> 3. causes a ruckus ---> 4. georgetown scoring drought 5. 2 ticky tack fouls on hibbert as the refs try to regain control sending him to the bench theres got to be a better way to send a message and accomplish the same ends. either that, or lets invade iraq again. now im really going to bed. I was sitting six rows away from this when it happened and I am offended that people aren't calling for Bee Line's head. He grabbed an opposing player! You can't do that in any sport much less a college sport. I don't care what the grabee did, you cannot initiate contact like that. He was not defusing the situation; the situation had already defused. Defending your player? BS. Let the refs do that. As a head coach, you have no place going onto the court to make contact with another player. A classless act from what I had thought was a somewhat classy guy. I lost complete respect for him. And PopeJohn, if you want to call out someone for having a temper, call out Bee Line for grabbing Pat.
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Post by JohnJacquesLayup on Feb 12, 2007 22:48:21 GMT -5
This discussion shouldn't really be about Ewing Jr. Depending on your point of view, he either made a mistake or was sticking up for his boy. Either way, though, he did something that is a bit unusual.
This discussion should however be about Bee Line confronting one of our players. I would have loved to see JTIII come at Bee Line like a father protects his kids. As an opposing coach, you cannot do anything resembling going after the other team's player, especially with HIS BACK TURNED and walking away. I know JTIII was furious, but I couldn't tell if he was directing it at the refs due to Alexander taking out Wallace, at Ewing, or at Bee Line.
Never the less, Bee Line is a fool.
(I see ExcitableBoy beat me to the punch)
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