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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Nov 13, 2006 9:55:15 GMT -5
It also felt like the rotation was in discovery mode. Rivers in the second half surprised me a bit. Sapp didn't look sharp coming off his ankle injury and he is key as our second ballhandler. Ewing 8 mins, Summers 10 mins, Macklin 0, Rivers 10 mins. Egerson starts and then seemed to disappear to the bench. This was also the first game for the coach and you assume guys will settle into roles on the squad.
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Post by TBird41 on Nov 13, 2006 10:16:45 GMT -5
It also felt like the rotation was in discovery mode. Rivers in the second half surprised me a bit. Sapp didn't look sharp coming off his ankle injury and he is key as our second ballhandler. Ewing 8 mins, Summers 10 mins, Macklin 0, Rivers 10 mins. Egerson starts and then seemed to disappear to the bench. This was also the first game for the coach and you assume guys will settle into roles on the squad. Considering Macklin was held out because he's still recovering from tendeni Edited, his lack of minutes was not surprising.
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Post by YB on Nov 13, 2006 11:14:59 GMT -5
My belated thoughts on the Hartford game:
-It is apparent the newcomers are being brought along slowly; they did not log big minutes, and to a man looked confused and tentative. But every so often you did see glimpses of the talent that will eventually carry us. It's just that, as I have said all summer, they will need time to adjust to the system- about a year and a half.
-TC was a monster. If he had hit 2 more 3s out of the 9 he took, he'd be ringing his praises. Good defense, monster rebounding, intensity, and you noticed it whenever he was out on the court. The shots he missed, he like the rest of the team looked tight; hopefully they get over that VERY quickly. But those shots were wide open. He'll make those eventually.
-Perimeter D still needs work. Bigs need to get better at appropriate switches, esp. Roy and Jeff.
-JW needs to stop taking NBA range 3s. If you get 3 points for college distance, just shoot from there, man.
-Tried to force-feed Roy and Jeff with 4 mice hanging off them. There has to be a better way to break a zone.
-Rebounding was good generally.
-I suspect we will pare down to an 8 man rotation, perhaps 9, for most of the rest of the year.
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Post by EasyEd on Nov 13, 2006 14:34:15 GMT -5
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Post by prhoya on Nov 13, 2006 15:18:34 GMT -5
About right...
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Post by Nitrorebel on Nov 13, 2006 19:46:31 GMT -5
I don't entirely blame Crawford for taking 8 threes - my concern is more along the lines that it seems like our offense in that game was designed to generate a lot of threes, which probably isn't the best idea for this team. If Crawford and Sapp do nothing but stand behind the three point line (no cuts, no penetration, no picks, no screens, no attempts to post up smaller guards, nobody in the high post to pass to), then we can't really complain when they take a bunch of threes. That's been my major complaint for a while now - we need to blow out a bunch of midgets DOWN LOW, not at the perimeter. Otherwise, I wasn't expecting too much from the first game of the season. We'll be more than fine.
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Post by lichoya68 on Nov 13, 2006 20:22:13 GMT -5
hey vs. hartford we couldnot get the ball inside eg the zone we wil see all the time and the reason the zone could collapse and collapse was we couldnot hit threes i aint real smart but that seemed simple and vandy kept most of their three players and beat us last year at home by hitting threes go hoyas hit SOME threes and defend better much better vs. the three or trouble go hoyas beat vandy this could be a trap game remember they beat us in our house last year in our house.. go hoays
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Post by hoyaLS05 on Nov 14, 2006 9:50:02 GMT -5
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Post by DanMcQ on Nov 14, 2006 10:24:06 GMT -5
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Post by bmartin on Nov 14, 2006 10:53:34 GMT -5
Wallace needs to be a little more assertive late in the shot clock. I remember at least once when he was open at the top of the key with 7 seconds to go, but passed to Crawford on the wing who had no choice but to shot. That was fine when Cook or Owens was on the wing, but now Jon should take that shot.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Nov 14, 2006 11:05:10 GMT -5
Wallace needs to be a little more assertive late in the shot clock. I remember at least once when he was open at the top of the key with 7 seconds to go, but passed to Crawford on the wing who had no choice but to shot. That was fine when Cook or Owens was on the wing, but now Jon should take that shot. Except from reading all the quotes, Jon and III both think of Tyler as a very good shooter. Now Jon should think of himself as one, but I think there's a huge disconnect between what the board thinks of Tyler as a shooter ("bricklayer", 1-8) and what the coaches and team think. Like JTIII, I'm not sure what was a better move for the offense in general. It sounds like there were effectively five Hartford players within the free throw circle -- 15 feet from the rim. 1. If you try to post up with the idea of scoring, they'll collapse on you. The way college is called, I'm not shocked at Green's high turnovers or Roy's missed bunnies if the lane was that crowded. 2. Playing high-low or flashing to 15 feet will get a good jump shooter a great shot. But it will be contested late. You can toss it in deep to Roy, pop to the FT line, get it back and sink a mid-range shot. But with five in the circle, you aren't going to get a wide open shot. Maybe when Cook was here, or Austin gets here, this is a good option. Maybe with Jeff or DaJuan. But Tyler, Jon, Marc are not this kind of shooter, whether from the FT line or baseline. 3. Driving or getting the ball at 15 feet, drawing the D, then passing is great. I don't know if we tried it. But it takes great interior passing. Again, I'm surprised we don't see more of this with Jeff and Roy, but I'd imagine these short, quick passes are the first thing to get rusty. 4. If you're Michael Jordan or Dwayne Wade, you can drive the lane on 5 guys. 5. Or, if you're already taking a somewhat contested shot at 15 feet, why not step back four and a half feet, get the wide open shot, and get three points for it? It's not an illogical choice and I can completely see Coach's point that this was the or one of the best option for many of our personnel, and that he expects them to hit those shots. We'll see. I'd like to see more aggression and quality interior passing, which I think will happen later in the year. I'd like to see 15-foot jumpers, which I'm not sure we'll see as much of. I'd love to see us run down the court and get the ball in the post quickly before the zone sets up. But against a zone as packed in as people seem to be saying, the three point shot is not a bad decision. You've got to make them, of course. But forcing it inside was guaranteed a basket, either.
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Post by chinatownfanclub on Nov 14, 2006 12:26:57 GMT -5
I don't know how anybody could have missed this great quote:
Freshman center Vernon Macklin did not play because of what Thompson described earlier this week as a case of a "beat-up freshman."
Can that excuse be employed by Joe "the freshman" Hoya who doesn't want to go to the game on Saturday at noon becaue he drank too much the night before?
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