Omar Wattad Commitment Thread

[hoyahavoc]

The situation from sources inside both the Georgetown staff, and from family members of Wattad is as follows:

2007-2008 Georgetown has 15 players for 13 scholarships. That leaves 2 players as walk-ons.
Assuming Jeff Green goes pro that leaves 14 players with 13 scholarships. 1 player is a walk-on
Wattad has agreed to be a conditional walk-on in-so-far as barring injury, or any academic or conduct related ineligibility, he will be a scholarship player from 2008-graduation.

This means that in 2008-2009 with the addition of Braswell, the hoyas will have 11 players on scholarship (including wright, wattad, braswell) meaning that they can give scholarships to two more players in 2008-2009 season if they so desire. (it is probably likely that they will recruit one more post , and possibly another swing-player if not another shooter.)


Now back to 2007-2008, if Jeff does not go pro, the hoya's don;'t have a scholarship for either Wattad or Wright and they will both have to walk on. This is a possibility that i Highly doubt, as Wright's commitment was totally contingent on him recieveing a 4 year scholarship (where as wattad was willing to pay for ONE year).

This means that the staff must either a) know that Jeff is going pro after this year or
b) know of a transfer.

Best case scenario for both these recruits is that Jeff goes pro, and someone transfer so they both can get scholarhips in 2007.


Any more clarification needed?

Please be careful about the attributuion of "sources" at Georgetown. Going forward, let's avoid rumor and outright speculation about any prospect or player's scholarship status. Thanks.--Admin

[1227]

So Jeff is misleading us on his desire/intent to stay four years? I'm pretty sure he knows he would go pretty high in the draft after this year.

[PushyGuyFanClub]

hoyahavoc said:

Wattad has agreed to be a conditional walk-on in-so-far as barring injury, or any academic or conduct related ineligibility, he will be a scholarship player from 2008-graduation.

Good info. You had to assume this was the case when the choice was between GU and UNC-Wilmington. There's no debate unless it was a four-year 'ship at UNC-W v. a pay to play first year thing at GU.

[prhoya]

hoyafanny said:

i think mike sabol was from iran:>))

And M. Kelly was from Transylvannia...

[Dhall]

We have to assume that either Jeff or Roy will turn pro at the end of the year but we never know until that time, especially with the possibility of injuries. Everybody including the coaching staff I'm sure hopes that they both stay for their senior year. If that happens and there's a scholarship issue you can bet that we'll do what we used to do when we were recruiting good players every year ... help find a home for one of the benchwarmers or poor academic performers at another school and "mutually" decide to part ways with them. Life in the big city.

[Oh My!]

Thank You Admin! The speculation is unhealthy.

Now, specific to the 3 commits from Class of '07, there are too many scenarios to be able to know which will happen (Hoyas go Pro, # Scholarships Open, '07 commit doing PG year, transfers, etc.).

Let's just be happy that these players have decided to become Hoyas!

[hoyaboy1]

vegasrain said:

Thank You Admin! The speculation is unhealthy.

Now, specific to the 3 commits from Class of '07, there are too many scenarios to be able to know which will happen (Hoyas go Pro, # Scholarships Open, '07 commit doing PG year, transfers, etc.).

Let's just be happy that these players have decided to become Hoyas!

If you think there is anything wrong with hoyahavoc's post, which is a great breakdown of the situation for everyone who was still confused, you probably should be not posting on internet message boards. You are likely to be offended all the time.

[Oh My!]

It is not just I that found issues with the post. Admin clearly stated its concern & asked that we not speculate on this particular facet of recruiting going forward. Citing "sources" is not the same as words coming directly from Coach's mouth. Those words were: "the only people who know who are on scholarship are him and the guys."

[GIGAFAN99]

Rivals is reporting Wattad is a walk-on with a schollie coming in '08.

Barker Davis (only a journalist that covers the team) stated definitively that Jon is on scholarship.

Yet now, a cryptic, neither-here-nor-there comment from JTIII has trumped information from sources close to the recruiting scene and the Hoyas respectively.

Coach said NOTHING that contradicts these written reports. And hoyahavoc's only speculation is the statement about "what the staff must know." And even that is a reasonable amount of speculation considering:

A) Jeff is a lottery pick on almost every mock draft

B) We are with 99.99% probability one over on schollies next year if everyone stays (unless you take "nobody knows who is on scholarship" and run it past your greedy recruiting magic 8-ball and it returns "The answer is walk-on.")

The only thing that bothers me about hoyahavoc's statement is the framing of a transfer as a "best case scenario." We all know a transfer is possible given the make-up of the team but it is never the "best case" to lose a good kid even if we've offered another one. He's not speculating on who specifically will transfer or why. All hoyahavoc is saying is we're over if Jeff stays. Given ALL the information (and not just a teaser of non-info dangled by JTIII), that is not some outlandish assumption.

[Nitrorebel]

Agree 100% Giga - there's nothing outlandish or previously unknown in this thread, but oh well.

[hoyahavoc]

Let me first apologize to the Admin and anyone I offended with my statement. Allow me to rephrase my statement. Sources "close to" (not directly from the staff) the Georgetown staff, and sources "directly from" Wattad's family have told me this is the situation. Also, I didn't say it was the "best case scenario" for the Hoyas, I said it was the "best case" for these prospects (referring to Wright and Wattad) in order for them to recieve scholarships. Ideally we would have 15 scholarships for all 15 guys, but we all know that is not how it works.
I never said it would be "best case" for the program to lose a guy we already know just to free up a schollie for a prospect. Not to mention Wattad has already agreed to walk-on for one year, so realy it means one schollie (Wright's) is all that has to be freed up to remedy the situation in 2007. Regardless the Hoya Staff will figure it out and Georgetown should be a team to contend with in years to come (regardless of who has a schollie and/or/if Jeff or Roy leaves or anyone transfers).

[chinatownfanclub]

This isn't really going to be an issue b/c Roy will be the one who goes pro... write that down. And there will be at least one transfer after the season. I will not cite any sources for these predictions... its merely analysis of the current situation.

[StPetersburgHoya (Inactive)]

I understand that people have good sources. But until something happens, lets not get into speculating too much. At the least none of these events can happen until the end of the season. Its less than 25 days to the opening tip. Let's get focused on Hampton.

[Deleted]

stpetersburghoya said:

I understand that people have good sources. But until something happens, lets not get into speculating too much. At the least none of these events can happen until the end of the season. Its less than 25 days to the opening tip. Let's get focused on Hampton.

You can focus on Hampton all you want.

I'll be over here focusing on Hartford...

[SoCal Hoya85]

hoyahavoc said:

Let me first apologize to the Admin and anyone I offended with my statement. Allow me to rephrase my statement. Sources "close to" (not directly from the staff) the Georgetown staff, and sources "directly from" Wattad's family have told me this is the situation. Also, I didn't say it was the "best case scenario" for the Hoyas, I said it was the "best case" for these prospects (referring to Wright and Wattad) in order for them to recieve scholarships. Ideally we would have 15 scholarships for all 15 guys, but we all know that is not how it works.
I never said it would be "best case" for the program to lose a guy we already know just to free up a schollie for a prospect. Not to mention Wattad has already agreed to walk-on for one year, so realy it means one schollie (Wright's) is all that has to be freed up to remedy the situation in 2007. Regardless the Hoya Staff will figure it out and Georgetown should be a team to contend with in years to come (regardless of who has a schollie and/or/if Jeff or Roy leaves or anyone transfers).

I thought your post was very informative and responsible. Thanks for the info.

[StPetersburgHoya (Inactive)]

cam said:

stpetersburghoya said:

I understand that people have good sources. But until something happens, lets not get into speculating too much. At the least none of these events can happen until the end of the season. Its less than 25 days to the opening tip. Let's get focused on Hampton.

You can focus on Hampton all you want.

I'll be over here focusing on Hartford...

I'm focusing on them too. I have a lot of focuses.

[DanMcQ]

stpetersburghoya said:

I'm focusing on them too. I have a lot of focuses.

Shouldn't that be "foci"?



Addressing concerns about rumors and speculation: I agree that hoyahavoc didn't post anything particularly revolutionary. However, we have a long-standing policy about not speculating on this board about specific current student athletes and whether they might be transferring, etc. That is not fair to the player(s) in question. While someone may claim to have "sources" directly linked to the player or staff, this is after all an internet discussion board and people can claim what they wish. We've had speculative posts in the past, purportedly based on "sources close to" the player/team, that have turned out to be completely untrue. For that reason, if there is no independently verifiable source (e.g., a link to a separate site such as the Post or ESPN or whatever) it is best to run it by one of the mods or the Admin before you post it.

[EasyEd]

The Washington Post is an "independently verifiable source"? And ESPN? Wow!

[DanMcQ]

ed said:

The Washington Post is an "independently verifiable source"? And ESPN? Wow!

oh, and I forgot to mention if lic says it true it must be true

;D

Hey, at least I didn't cite the NY Times! Seriously though, the intent is that there must be some independent verification. We'd prefer not to have speculation about current players' status on the board at all.

[TBird41]

What about "underground" websites? Are those ok to use as sources?

www.deadspin.com/sports/espn/coming-to-you-live-from-the-underground-207828.php