HoyaNJ5
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Post by HoyaNJ5 on Mar 26, 2006 17:33:43 GMT -5
Its arguable that Rudy Gay is their 3rd or 4th option at crunch time. The ball goes to Marcus Williams and Rashad Anderson before it would go to Gay. And if they wanted to go inside, it would probably go to Hilton Armstrong first. No way you draft a kid in the top 3 when he isn't even their top option at crunch time.
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Post by RDF on Mar 26, 2006 17:49:39 GMT -5
Its arguable that Rudy Gay is their 3rd or 4th option at crunch time. The ball goes to Marcus Williams and Rashad Anderson before it would go to Gay. And if they wanted to go inside, it would probably go to Hilton Armstrong first. No way you draft a kid in the top 3 when he isn't even their top option at crunch time. Not to mention Gay is a terrible defensive player despite having the talent to be a great defensive player--athletic and agile. The hype Rudy Gay gets is ridiculous when you consider his teammates. If you gave Jeff Green that crew, I'd have no doubts they cut down the nets. Oh wait, we might get to see that next year.
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Post by jcshoya82 on Mar 26, 2006 18:21:25 GMT -5
I agree with nearly all negative sentiments about Rudy, however, and take this for what you wish but there is a ton of potential there. In the GMU game this afternoon he was knocking down the 10-14 ft. jumpers without any problem and he was playing GREAT defense (and don't say it is because the players on GMU are not as good as U-Cons other competition...these guys are in the Final 4).
Sometimes I feel like having such a stud crew around players like Gay forces him to take a back seat in many aspects of the game (i.e. - taking rebounds away, feeling forced to give it up, etc.)
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Post by RDF on Mar 26, 2006 18:31:32 GMT -5
I agree with nearly all negative sentiments about Rudy, however, and take this for what you wish but there is a ton of potential there. In the GMU game this afternoon he was knocking down the 10-14 ft. jumpers without any problem and he was playing GREAT defense (and don't say it is because the players on GMU are not as good as U-Cons other competition...these guys are in the Final 4). Sometimes I feel like having such a stud crew around players like Gay forces him to take a back seat in many aspects of the game (i.e. - taking rebounds away, feeling forced to give it up, etc.) Mason's players are good, but a 6'9 player should be able to elevate and get his shot off against a 6'3/6'4 player. I'm not impressed. He got ball a lot late and was short with no hand in his face--collar was tight. He loses his man on defense all of the time. He's a great athlete, and a decent basketball player with potential to be what they say--but potential has to eventually turn into something or you are just a "Would've, Could've, Should've" player. BTW---lost in the upset was what a jerk Hilton Armstrong acted like today--just a complete loss of composure and lack of class on the court. Very reminiscent of his Coach if you ask me.
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Post by NCHoya on Mar 26, 2006 18:34:00 GMT -5
The comparison to Kwame Brown is dead on. Gay has the athleticism and decent skill, but his desire to play can be questioned almost every game. He never looks interested. Meanwhile, I don't get why Marcus Williams would not be the first pick in the draft. He is 6'5", has a smooth stroke, great court vision and wants the ball at the end of the game. He would be my first player taken, Gay would not even be in the lottery, he is a nice complementary player.
I think the NBA scouts have got to be noticing Gay's lack of leadership and initiative on the court too. He simply does not make his team better, I would not be surprsied to see him drop in the draft.
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Post by MCIGuy on Mar 26, 2006 18:34:31 GMT -5
I'd take Rudy Gay on my team any day. Of course he would have to be at best only the second or third option to score of course.
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Post by williambraskyiii on Mar 26, 2006 19:29:56 GMT -5
marvin williams? Its arguable that Rudy Gay is their 3rd or 4th option at crunch time. The ball goes to Marcus Williams and Rashad Anderson before it would go to Gay. And if they wanted to go inside, it would probably go to Hilton Armstrong first. No way you draft a kid in the top 3 when he isn't even their top option at crunch time.
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Post by HoyaNJ5 on Mar 26, 2006 19:35:53 GMT -5
marvin williams? Its arguable that Rudy Gay is their 3rd or 4th option at crunch time. The ball goes to Marcus Williams and Rashad Anderson before it would go to Gay. And if they wanted to go inside, it would probably go to Hilton Armstrong first. No way you draft a kid in the top 3 when he isn't even their top option at crunch time. I think Marvin Williams would have been the first option had he been back. He was in a different situation last year where 3 other players were lottery picks and upperclassmen. Hard to argue that Williams should have been the first option in that situation.
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Post by williambraskyiii on Mar 26, 2006 19:45:56 GMT -5
I am only arguing that marvin williams was the 6th man on that UNC team and was selected second overall...also, if williams comes out, there is the potential that armstrong, williams, anderson, boone (?) and brown (?) could be selected in the first round...more likely the first three plus gay...so this team is equally stacked.
my point is: not being the go-to guy has very little impact in draft status which focuses on TUP...if you have TUP you are a lottery pick. Gay has TUP. even though i think he is crap too. the Hawks will probably take him. they can always use more 6'9 swingmen
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Post by RockawayHoya on Mar 26, 2006 19:47:15 GMT -5
The comparison to Kwame Brown is dead on. Gay has the athleticism and decent skill, but his desire to play can be questioned almost every game. He never looks interested. Meanwhile, I don't get why Marcus Williams would not be the first pick in the draft. He is 6'5", has a smooth stroke, great court vision and wants the ball at the end of the game. He would be my first player taken, Gay would not even be in the lottery, he is a nice complementary player. I think the NBA scouts have got to be noticing Gay's lack of leadership and initiative on the court too. He simply does not make his team better, I would not be surprsied to see him drop in the draft. Marcus Williams is 6'3, not 6'5. Gay is certainly not worth a top 3 pick. But not a lottery pick? That's a bit of a stretch, considering how thin this draft is going to be. If I had the #1, I'd take Lamarcus Aldridge. If you're going to gamble, gamble on a big man. And Aldridge has been far more consistent this year than Gay.
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Post by prhoya on Mar 27, 2006 1:00:21 GMT -5
He's soft. It's as if he doesn't want to get his hands dirty.
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Post by baselinejournal on Mar 27, 2006 1:27:46 GMT -5
You guys kill me Rudy Gay got game and i bet none of you can match up against him in the paint.....So talk all you want none of you can see him face to face....
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Post by TBird41 on Mar 27, 2006 1:31:25 GMT -5
You guys kill me Rudy Gay got game and i bet none of you can match up against him in the paint.....So talk all you want none of you can see him face to face.... What's your point? I don't think anyone was claiming they could take Rudy Gay. I'm pretty sure they were just arguing that the hype about him is incorrect, due to the fact he is soft, isn't that motivated and lacks any semblance of a killer instinct. Also, Jeff Green is better.
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Post by prhoya on Mar 27, 2006 1:34:41 GMT -5
Rudy, is that you? You're overhyped. Bring it on...
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Mar 27, 2006 7:29:17 GMT -5
i think the entire uconn team is horrible. one bad shot or decision after another. same with allen ray on nova. this kid has no clue what a good shot really is. i have a much greater appreciation for the patience and shot selection on our hoyas after watching these morons from uconn and nova play.
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Post by bmartin on Mar 27, 2006 9:49:37 GMT -5
What about Josh Boone? GMU controlled the paint and beat UConn on the boards.
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Post by the_way on Mar 27, 2006 9:56:18 GMT -5
What about Josh Boone? GMU controlled the paint and beat UConn on the boards. Josh Boone is an ordinary big man. He won't do much in the NBA.
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Post by MCIGuy on Mar 27, 2006 11:21:11 GMT -5
What about Josh Boone? GMU controlled the paint and beat UConn on the boards. Josh Boone is an ordinary big man. He won't do much in the NBA. I think that has been obvious the past two seasons. This guy is not as great as people tried to make him out to be during his freshman year.
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Post by HealyHoya on Mar 27, 2006 11:52:40 GMT -5
I know this isn;t the best time to bring this up but...I think you're all way, way off on Gay. I'll tell you right now who the best comparison to Rudy Gay will be...Vince Carter.
I don't know how old all of you are and whether you remember when Jerry Stackhouse and VC were at UNC. At the time, Stack was the man, best player in college ball, and VC was this lanky, tweener who could sky but was too tall to defend the college 2 and yet not yet filled out enough to bang down low...he had these flashes of crazy athleticism and yet when the game was on the line, UNC went to Stack every time because, at the time, he was the more complete player.
Now, personality and character issues aside, I'll tell you right now, Gay will be a better pro than college player and will be, by far, the best NBA player to come off this current UConn team.
At 6'9" he can play and defend the 2 in the NBA. Continuation will be huge for his game with his ability to finish. Less zone, more man will allow him to eat guys up on offense.
Don't get me wrong, I can't stand UConn. But IMO you're all missing the boat on Gay in terms of pure talent.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2006 12:04:09 GMT -5
Josh Boone is an ordinary big man. He won't do much in the NBA. I think that has been obvious the past two seasons. This guy is not as great as people tried to make him out to be during his freshman year. And Calhoun knows it too. Jeff Adrien got more of the minutes yesterday, and Boone spent most of the afternoon on the bench. Hell, even Ed Nelson got time. And he stinks out loud
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