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Post by prhoya on Nov 21, 2024 10:23:57 GMT -5
So we have the first draft of a 9 man rotation… Sorber/Julius Fielder/Burks/Caleb Peavy/Caleb Epps/Mulready Mack/Mulready That is really young line-up with 4 freshman. If you think about what they could be in a year or two, they could be pretty good. I am not sure what the ceiling could be and how far it could extend. Maybe Peavy gets replaced with some combination of Caleb, McKenna, and Mulready. Remember when we did this last year?  |
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jwp91
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Post by jwp91 on Nov 21, 2024 13:06:06 GMT -5
If you are not going to assume they stay, then you need to find a new hobby because this would be a colossal waste of time.
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Post by professorhoya on Nov 21, 2024 13:10:44 GMT -5
If you are not going to assume they stay, then you need to find a new hobby because this would be a colossal waste of time. Sometimes you wonder why he is even here when he’s so negative all the time. Why torture yourself like that? |
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Post by 78HOYA78 on Nov 22, 2024 12:28:35 GMT -5
I have a question for the board. Why did we play our starters so long in a 30 point blow out and why wasn't the bench emptied. Is Sober ok - I seen him hobble a little at the end of the last game. We have an excellent 3 point shooter on the bench from last year - Austin Montgomery.
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Post by SSHoya on Nov 22, 2024 12:33:55 GMT -5
I have a question for the board. Why did we play our starters so long in a 30 point blow out and why wasn't the bench emptied. Is Sober ok - I seen him hobble a little at the end of the last game. We have an excellent 3 point shooter on the bench from last year - Austin Montgomery. Cooley answered the first question at his post-game presser, saying he wanted to develop chemistry in the rotations so stayed with first unit+ or words to that effect. Sorber appeared to have cramps, nothing serious, wasn't taken to locker room. Assume Cooley doesn't see Montgomery as a solution to 3-point shooting based upon practice. He was 3/3 last season, small sample size. |
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Post by conshyhoya on Nov 22, 2024 12:39:06 GMT -5
I have a question for the board. Why did we play our starters so long in a 30 point blow out and why wasn't the bench emptied. Is Sober ok - I seen him hobble a little at the end of the last game. We have an excellent 3 point shooter on the bench from last year - Austin Montgomery. If Austin was truly an excellent 3 point shooter or any good he would be on a scholarship somewhere. He hit some wide open shoots in meaningless minutes against backups. That being said he probably can't be worse than some of our current roster in that one area. |
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jwp91
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Post by jwp91 on Nov 22, 2024 12:49:10 GMT -5
Mulready has 50 possessions of experience in college. Caleb has 66. Julius has 88. These the guys you want to invest garbage minutes in....Not Austin Montgomery who will never see the floor absent a catastrophe.
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Post by 78HOYA78 on Nov 22, 2024 13:01:04 GMT -5
Guess you are right - to me it's a shame the Coach won't empty the bench for two minutes in a blowout.
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Post by BeantownHoya on Nov 22, 2024 13:53:14 GMT -5
Mulready has 50 possessions of experience in college. Caleb has 66. Julius has 88. These the guys you want to invest garbage minutes in....Not Austin Montgomery who will never see the floor absent a catastrophe. Acknowledging that I have a very skewed opinion/love of McKenna's ceiling in his limited minutes...but I just feel like I see something special there...at least offensively I say that because it would be disappointing if the reduced core of players does not include him moving forward Totally 100% recognize you aren't going to have a ten man rotation...also this has nothing to with Mulready and Caleb I like what I have seen from both of them...but to the point of who you can give 5-6 minutes of garbage time to that would be meaningful it shocked me that McKenna never saw the floor. Then furthermore if he cant see the floor in that type of a blowout...well then it what circumstances is he even going to see the floor going forward if not that game? |
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Post by jwp91 on Nov 22, 2024 14:49:45 GMT -5
I think McKenna is an interesting prospect too. The evidence is pretty clear that he is the 10th or 11th man on this team presently....no matter what the fans imagine.
It remind me of the following joke:
Why doesn't the economist pick up $20 he sees laying the street? Because if it was really a $20 bill, someone would have picked it up already.
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Post by bostonfan on Nov 22, 2024 15:03:51 GMT -5
I think McKenna is an interesting prospect too. The evidence is pretty clear that he is the 10th or 11th man on this team presently....no matter what the fans imagine. It remind me of the following joke: Why doesn't the economist pick up $20 he sees laying the street? Because if it was really a $20 bill, someone would have picked it up already. I don't have any insights here or even that much exposure to McKenna's game, but I have to believe that Cooley knows he could use a consistent 3 point shooter at the wing position, so if McKenna could provide that, along with good defense and some rebounding, then he would be getting minutes. My guess is he either has not shown a consistent 3 point shot in practice or he is not pulling his weight on the defensive side of the ball in practice. All D-1 coaches know that they need to win to keep their jobs, so they are going to play the guys that they feel give them the best chance to win games. At this point it looks like McKenna is not one of those guys, but that may change and he may get his opportunity soon. if he gets a chance, then he will need to be ready to show what he can do |
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Post by conshyhoya on Nov 22, 2024 15:28:00 GMT -5
I think McKenna is an interesting prospect too. The evidence is pretty clear that he is the 10th or 11th man on this team presently....no matter what the fans imagine. It remind me of the following joke: Why doesn't the economist pick up $20 he sees laying the street? Because if it was really a $20 bill, someone would have picked it up already. I don't have any insights here or even that much exposure to McKenna's game, but I have to believe that Cooley knows he could use a consistent 3 point shooter at the wing position, so if McKenna could provide that, along with good defense and some rebounding, then he would be getting minutes. My guess is he either has not shown a consistent 3 point shot in practice or he is not pulling his weight on the defensive side of the ball in practice. All D-1 coaches know that they need to win to keep their jobs, so they are going to play the guys that they feel give them the best chance to win games. At this point it looks like McKenna is not one of those guys, but that may change and he may get his opportunity soon. if he gets a chance, then he will need to be ready to show what he can do When Fielder was out sick he got some decent minutes in a way tighter game and looked decent. Maybe that was just because Hala was still getting into game shape but if not I am surprised he didn't at least get a minute. Does make sense about getting the chemistry with the main rotation which such a young team. Plus Drew F was still in so maybe with him missing that game and not finding his touch yet he wanted him to get some more game action. |
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Post by CTHoya08 on Nov 22, 2024 15:40:47 GMT -5
I think the hypothesis about McKenna being the odd man out at the moment is probably correct. I wonder, though, if there's more value in giving a guy six minutes in a game and zero in the next so you can give another guy six minutes, as opposed to giving each of them three minutes in each game. In other words, if we're trying to evaluate and acclimate players, might the marginal couple of minutes at the end be more valuable for Mulready or Caleb Williams (who have already had some run and gotten into the flow of the game) than for McKenna (cold on the bench)? Then he gets longer run and one of them gets a DNP in the next game?
I don't have any reason to believe this is happening here. I just always have doubted that there's much of a point, from a developmental perspective, in putting guys in for 2-3 minutes at the end. Rewarding those guys for working in practice/keeping them engaged can have value in its own right, of course, but I don't think the coaching staff could really have learned much from 2-3 minutes at the very end of a blowout if that's the only run the player got in that game.
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jwp91
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Post by jwp91 on Nov 22, 2024 16:12:31 GMT -5
Well, we heard Cooley say after the Notre Dame press conference, "It is not going to be a recipe for success playing 10 or 11 guys. The staff has to look at our rotation. We have to see who has the chemistry on the floor that is a winning combination and that is a still a search and find operation."
The next game we played 9 and Curtis and McKenna sat.
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