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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Sept 23, 2024 13:17:06 GMT -5
Gtown had great success under the Thompsons while this closed off philosophy took hold, what makes you think more success will change anything under Cooley? Remember Cooley told us he understood the "strained" relationships with fans & media & things would be different in his 1st pre-season presser last year... To start, I agree with you Cooley should be out and about more. But, I really think Cooley needs to balance a fine line for this season no matter what he thinks will happen. Last year, there was a lot of optimism. Many of us lost all hope under Ewing, Cooley talked the talk, brought in some solid pieces (though less solid than many of us may have wanted). We opened against LeMoyne and looked pretty good. People were ectastic--I even seem to recall Casual Hoya being positive about it, rather than pining for Rick Pitino. Then we lost to Holy Cross, and in a single game, all the enthusiasm and good feelings that Cooley managed to engender since being hired evaporated. And it only got worse when we began losing more games, especially in the Big East. As a coach, you need to play the expectations game. From the perspective of journalists and third parties, expectations are super low. We are predicted to be at the bottom of the conference, and for good reason given our record last year and the preceding years. If you think about it, there isn't much reason for Cooley to "correct" the record or go out there and state he thinks we will be much better. What good is it? Fans like to hear it, but really, how many of us are paying attention right now? A few hundred at most? And that might be overstating it. If he puffs the team up, and we turn out to be worse than expected, that'll get thrown in his face (hoyaboya being first in line). Why do that? The best way to change expectations is to come out strong in November, absolutely destroy the cupcakes (and certainly not lose to them), and then win the handful of more challenging games we have. If we do that, that will go farther than anything Ed Cooley can say in an interview. That said, I do think interviews are important for building connections, etc., and that's why Cooley should do it. Also, perhaps not as much with the public or interviews, but from what we can tell, Cooley HAS done a ton of outreach locally and among high school programs that our previous coaches did not do. So, I do think there are under the radar changes we may not be seeing or that aren't highlighted, but that will ultimately make a big difference.
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Sept 23, 2024 13:33:21 GMT -5
I appreciate the optimism but the signs aren't there right now. It's nearly October and it's still radio silence from Ed Cooley. That's not a way to communicate hope and change. Hope and change? Are you running for President? Did you grow up in a middle class small town? Work at McDonalds? Were your neighbors very proud of their lawns?
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Post by DFW HOYA on Sept 23, 2024 13:38:16 GMT -5
Hope and change? 1. Are you running for President? 2. Did you grow up in a middle class small town? 3. Work at McDonalds? 4. Were your neighbors very proud of their lawns? 1. No 2. 50,000 was neither small nor large 3. No 4. Yes, because their kids mowed them
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Sept 23, 2024 13:42:00 GMT -5
Hope and change? 1. Are you running for President? 2. Did you grow up in a middle class small town? 3. Work at McDonalds? 4. Were your neighbors very proud of their lawns? 1. No 2. 50,000 was neither small nor large 3. No 4. Yes, because their kids mowed them I would vote for you DFW
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Post by EtomicB on Sept 23, 2024 17:45:23 GMT -5
Gtown had great success under the Thompsons while this closed off philosophy took hold, what makes you think more success will change anything under Cooley? Remember Cooley told us he understood the "strained" relationships with fans & media & things would be different in his 1st pre-season presser last year... To start, I agree with you Cooley should be out and about more. But, I really think Cooley needs to balance a fine line for this season no matter what he thinks will happen. Last year, there was a lot of optimism. Many of us lost all hope under Ewing, Cooley talked the talk, brought in some solid pieces (though less solid than many of us may have wanted). We opened against LeMoyne and looked pretty good. People were ectastic--I even seem to recall Casual Hoya being positive about it, rather than pining for Rick Pitino. Then we lost to Holy Cross, and in a single game, all the enthusiasm and good feelings that Cooley managed to engender since being hired evaporated. And it only got worse when we began losing more games, especially in the Big East. As a coach, you need to play the expectations game. From the perspective of journalists and third parties, expectations are super low. We are predicted to be at the bottom of the conference, and for good reason given our record last year and the preceding years. If you think about it, there isn't much reason for Cooley to "correct" the record or go out there and state he thinks we will be much better. What good is it? Fans like to hear it, but really, how many of us are paying attention right now? A few hundred at most? And that might be overstating it. If he puffs the team up, and we turn out to be worse than expected, that'll get thrown in his face (hoyaboya being first in line). Why do that? The best way to change expectations is to come out strong in November, absolutely destroy the cupcakes (and certainly not lose to them), and then win the handful of more challenging games we have. If we do that, that will go farther than anything Ed Cooley can say in an interview. That said, I do think interviews are important for building connections, etc., and that's why Cooley should do it. Also, perhaps not as much with the public or interviews, but from what we can tell, Cooley HAS done a ton of outreach locally and among high school programs that our previous coaches did not do. So, I do think there are under the radar changes we may not be seeing or that aren't highlighted, but that will ultimately make a big difference. The optimism felt last year wasn’t about the possibilities of the team but rather about the fact that Gtown no longer had an incompetent staff leading the program. Most felt that just seeing competitive basketball again would be great considering what we’d seen over the previous few seasons. Unfortunately, we didn’t get the competitiveness we hoped for especially on the defensive side of the game but that shouldn’t cause the program to fail to promote itself for this season. Talking about the new players you’ve recruited isn’t going to correct any record or set any type of expectations in my opinion but it will help to answer many of the questions posed here and other Hoya fan forums.
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Post by thedragon on Sept 23, 2024 18:31:04 GMT -5
Georgetown posting their roster with Sorbers name spelled wrong is the clearest signal yet that we're back!
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Post by SSHoya on Sept 23, 2024 18:35:34 GMT -5
Georgetown posting their roster with Sorbers name spelled wrong is the clearest signal yet that we're back! 1 2 3 fireballs
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Post by RusskyHoya on Sept 23, 2024 18:48:13 GMT -5
Georgetown posting their roster with Sorbers name spelled wrong is the clearest signal yet that we're back! I mean, look at this roster. Thomnas Sorbet. Drew Fiddler. Drew McKennan. Jayden Fart. Michael Van Rapphorst. We are SO back.
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Post by seaweed on Sept 23, 2024 19:32:11 GMT -5
DC, Oxon Hill, DC, Laurel, Norfolk …
Coach should build local recruiting relationship? Check, well done!
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Post by hoyaguy on Sept 24, 2024 1:39:27 GMT -5
DC, Oxon Hill, DC, Laurel, Norfolk … Coach should build local recruiting relationship? Check, well done! Agreed, that and bringing in international players/connections were definitely successes this off season. I agree with the other discourse though that the communication and internal works need to be improved. And I would appreciate a reporter of any kind bringing it up to him in a Q&A at some point.
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Post by MCIGuy on Sept 24, 2024 7:57:45 GMT -5
Here's some of MTCWithMook's writeup:
What McKenna gained was valuable experience. He learned what a college basketball practice looked like---the daily effort of making an impact in practice while balancing school....
It showed at a recent workout when McKenna showed confidence in his jump shot and decisive decision-making when he put the ball on the floor. The confidence also comes with having more of a college body...
He’s an essential cog in head coach Ed Cooley’s rebuilding plan. If McKenna can contribute on the wing, it gives the Hoyas something they didn’t have last season: a threat on the wing who can hit jumpers and “draw two” when he puts the ball on the floor.
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Post by hoyariv71 on Sept 24, 2024 9:02:19 GMT -5
I’ve said I think McKenna is our wildcard. I think Mack, Epps and Sorber are locks to start. I think ultimately Fielder will start at the 4 and it will either be McKenna or peavy at the 3, with McKenna being there on opening night.
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Post by trotters10 on Sept 24, 2024 9:06:18 GMT -5
I’ve said I think McKenna is our wildcard. I think Mack, Epps and Sorber are locks to start. I think ultimately Fielder will start at the 4 and it will either be McKenna or peavy at the 3, with McKenna being there on opening night. There is zero chance Peavy is starting on the bench opening night, or any night for that matter! I do (however) love McKenna's game, and believe he'll be a big-time contributor this season. But if he's starting, it's at the 3 and Peavy would be at the 4 (small ball)!
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Post by jwp91 on Sept 24, 2024 9:45:47 GMT -5
The only way Peavy doesn't start opening night is if he is injured or sick.
I hope McKenna is ready to contribute what some on this board think he can.
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Post by MCIGuy on Sept 24, 2024 10:48:38 GMT -5
I’ve said I think McKenna is our wildcard. I think Mack, Epps and Sorber are locks to start. I think ultimately Fielder will start at the 4 and it will either be McKenna or peavy at the 3, with McKenna being there on opening night. There is zero chance Peavy is starting on the bench opening night, or any night for that matter! I do (however) love McKenna's game, and believe he'll be a big-time contributor this season. But if he's starting, it's at the 3 and Peavy would be at the 4 (small ball)! I believe riv71 meant that regardless of who starts, McKenna will be seeing time on the court opening day. Peary will definitely start. But there are no reports of his shooting improving. No big deal. We can handle that considering everything else he brings to the table. But is it best for him and Burks to share too much time on the floor at once if both are unable to spread the floor? Meanwhile indications are that McKenna is heading in the right direction. He had a solid summer but has had his strongest showing the past week or two. One small bit of info from HR was that McKenna had the shooting form to be potentially the best knock down shooter on the team down the road.
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Post by prhoya on Sept 24, 2024 10:50:47 GMT -5
One small bit of info from HR was that McKenna had the shooting form to be potentially the best knock down shooter on the team down the road. 🙏
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Sept 24, 2024 12:00:31 GMT -5
Rather than focusing on who is starting, I would think sitting here today that Mack, Epps, Peavy, Sorber, Fielder, and Julius all earn significant minutes.
The bigger mystery to me is who will emerge from McKenna, Mulready, Burks, and Williams to earn consistent rotation spots. As we get deeper into the season, there likely won't be enough minutes to feed all 10 players.
I think Mack, Epps, and Peavy will probably all be 30+ a game, so not much left.
That leaves 100-110 minutes for 7 guys (distributed evenly would be 14-16 minutes/game), which could work if Cooley wants to run a 10 deep squad. But I think those extra minutes get consolidated somewhat around Sorber, Fielder, and Julius. Doesn't leave a ton for the 4 others.
I would guess McKenna and Mulready earn the most (with Burks and Williams needing to really play well in their spots to get meaningful run).
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Post by SFHoya99 on Sept 24, 2024 12:42:18 GMT -5
Rather than focusing on who is starting, I would think sitting here today that Mack, Epps, Peavy, Sorber, Fielder, and Julius all earn significant minutes. The bigger mystery to me is who will emerge from McKenna, Mulready, Burks, and Williams to earn consistent rotation spots. As we get deeper into the season, there likely won't be enough minutes to feed all 10 players. I think Mack, Epps, and Peavy will probably all be 30+ a game, so not much left. That leaves 100-110 minutes for 7 guys (distributed evenly would be 14-16 minutes/game), which could work if Cooley wants to run a 10 deep squad. But I think those extra minutes get consolidated somewhat around Sorber, Fielder, and Julius. Doesn't leave a ton for the 4 others. I would guess McKenna and Mulready earn the most (with Burks and Williams needing to really play well in their spots to get meaningful run). I went through Cooley's rotations at Providence. He mostly had a 9 man rotation, and generally was between 8-10. He did not often have guys in the 35 mpg+ category ... but there were times, especially early on. In other words, I think Cooley probably prefers a 9-10 man rotation where individual players top out at around 30 mpg, which leaves a lot of time. But he's not going to insist if the players don't earn it. I think Mack, Epps and Peavey will all be 30+ mpg, but I don't think they will be over 35mpg. I suspect we'll see 8 guys with good minutes and then a ninth with some and a tenth who plays every few games or something like that. There will likely be a couple of guys who simply aren't ready to contribute well anyway.
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Post by Admin on Sept 24, 2024 12:50:42 GMT -5
Georgetown posting their roster with Sorbers name spelled wrong is the clearest signal yet that we're back! I mean, look at this roster. Thomnas Sorbet. Drew Fiddler. Drew McKennan. Jayden Fart. Michael Van Rapphorst. We are SO back.
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Sept 24, 2024 16:16:03 GMT -5
Rather than focusing on who is starting, I would think sitting here today that Mack, Epps, Peavy, Sorber, Fielder, and Julius all earn significant minutes. The bigger mystery to me is who will emerge from McKenna, Mulready, Burks, and Williams to earn consistent rotation spots. As we get deeper into the season, there likely won't be enough minutes to feed all 10 players. I think Mack, Epps, and Peavy will probably all be 30+ a game, so not much left. That leaves 100-110 minutes for 7 guys (distributed evenly would be 14-16 minutes/game), which could work if Cooley wants to run a 10 deep squad. But I think those extra minutes get consolidated somewhat around Sorber, Fielder, and Julius. Doesn't leave a ton for the 4 others. I would guess McKenna and Mulready earn the most (with Burks and Williams needing to really play well in their spots to get meaningful run). I went through Cooley's rotations at Providence. He mostly had a 9 man rotation, and generally was between 8-10. He did not often have guys in the 35 mpg+ category ... but there were times, especially early on. In other words, I think Cooley probably prefers a 9-10 man rotation where individual players top out at around 30 mpg, which leaves a lot of time. But he's not going to insist if the players don't earn it. I think Mack, Epps and Peavey will all be 30+ mpg, but I don't think they will be over 35mpg. I suspect we'll see 8 guys with good minutes and then a ninth with some and a tenth who plays every few games or something like that. There will likely be a couple of guys who simply aren't ready to contribute well anyway. Thanks for the research and I definitely agree with your take. After analyzing, I am constructive on the team's depth and Cooley's ability to find 7-8 rotation guys who are ready to contribute at a Big East level of play. If 9-10 emerge as ready, even better as we can better guard against injury and any unanticipated roster turnover heading into 2025-26 season.
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