mchoya
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Post by mchoya on Aug 27, 2024 12:09:18 GMT -5
Non con schedule released. Two McDonough Games. An NAIA school on Thanksgiving weekend. Really? This may be the worst non-conference schedule since the St. Leo days. Awaiting comments from Georgetown. Or more likely, not. Albany plays in America East. By no metric is this schedule worse than Ewing’s first season, an OOC schedule that was second softest power conference schedule in the history of KenPom era. (And that should come with an asterisk because the softest was the first Baylor season post-Dave Bliss) What in the world are you talking about?
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thedragon
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Post by thedragon on Aug 27, 2024 12:25:04 GMT -5
Not sure why people are surprised. Cooley has said as much that schedule will get harder as he builds a foundation. Thus why Maryland got pushed back - as he described in detail on the Sports Junkies last month.
I'm not too worried about this year's non con, and yes I'm a season ticket holder. If we show improvement, keep most of the nucleus and still schedule like this, I'll criticize accordingly.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Aug 27, 2024 12:26:17 GMT -5
11 winnable games! That is priority one. Win! We all thought Holy Cross was a W last year and we know how that played out. Goal two is to figure out the pieces we have and what they can do so we have a rotation by mid-December. ND has to be better, Cuse was trash last year and we weren't even in the game, and WVU is always scrappy but I'll admit I have no idea what they return after a lot of roster turnover. At a minimum, that is a tough place to play and a high major opponent.
If we get through somehow unscathed, suddenly we can talk about did we schedule too light.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Aug 27, 2024 12:35:23 GMT -5
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Aug 27, 2024 12:50:55 GMT -5
Here are last year's KenPom final rankings for the teams on our schedule:
Notre Dame - 118 Lehigh - 263 Fairfield - 175 Mount St. Mary's - 249 St. Francis - 354 Wagner - 292 Albany - 244 UMBC - 274 Coppin State - 361
West Virginia (away) - 144 Syracuse (away) - 80
Not a great schedule but I've said why I think schedules like this are bad a million times before so I won't say it again. I realize we are rebuilding and all that, but it doesn't need to be this bad. We aren't playing ANY teams that were even close to being tournament teams last year. And as bad as we were last year, 7 of our 11 opponents were WORSE.
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Post by FromTheBeginning on Aug 27, 2024 13:14:36 GMT -5
Not really thinking this will come onto play but Hoyas would have to finish in the top 4 of the BE to overcome this OOC schedule if wanting to get on the bubble.
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Post by bicentennial on Aug 27, 2024 13:46:19 GMT -5
Here are last year's KenPom final rankings for the teams on our schedule: Notre Dame - 118 Lehigh - 263 Fairfield - 175 Mount St. Mary's - 249 St. Francis - 354 Wagner - 292 Albany - 244 UMBC - 274 Coppin State - 361 West Virginia (away) - 144 Syracuse (away) - 80 Not a great schedule but I've said why I think schedules like this are bad a million times before so I won't say it again. I realize we are rebuilding and all that, but it doesn't need to be this bad. We aren't playing ANY teams that were even close to being tournament teams last year. And as bad as we were last year, 7 of our 11 opponents were WORSE. I know we have been unbelievably bad on Ken Pom for the past 3 years but is anyone else shocked to see how low our old Big East teams have also fallen. Notre Dame, Syracuse and West Virginia all used to be top 50 teams before conference realignment. I hope their football programs have brought in the big bucks.
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jwp91
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Post by jwp91 on Aug 27, 2024 14:08:26 GMT -5
So the real question is how will we do against ND, Syracuse, and West Virginia?
3-0 would be amazing 2-1 would be great progress 1-2 is probably a reasonable expected case 0-3 would be disappointing
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hoyaguy
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Post by hoyaguy on Aug 27, 2024 14:44:36 GMT -5
Non con schedule released. Two McDonough Games. Disappointing...I am not one that thinks you have to run the gauntlet in OOC and especially with a younger team...but had really hoped for one more Power program on the schedule at Capital Arena... Even if was like a Temple or a UNLV or an SMU...just something of that nature/talent...didn't have to be a marque name but something a little more challenging... Yes I want ideally 4-5 P4 level games (includes the likes of top other teams like SDSU) each non con and not just total cupcakes for the rest. Like you said I get this is a young year without expectations of actually making the tournament, but it is worth scaling up some opponents even a little bit instead of it being 3 P4 and not much. At least schedule cupcakes that could get some visitors in the seats as well for the sake of filling Cap one. That's why I would not mind Howard, GW, GMU, etc. You would absolutely get more seats filled by students if you played GW simply because it is easy to stoke that. I will say that I do not mind Lehigh in the sense of it taking one of the cupcake spots. It cannot hurt to play football league opponents from a promotional perspective (except Colgate, that is a definite trap game considering they've made the tournament the last 5 years but are always a low seed). In my mind, ideally next season (or for a competitive team in general) I would want: 4-5 P4 level games, 1-2 local programs, 1-2 A10/AAC/MW level opponents or equal, a decent MTE, 1 Patriot league game, 1-2 in McD (If Done Right), heck throw in an Ivy as well to give one them a fun beat down that students would get a kick out of. This should be more than achievable in future seasons as some of these can overlap. I will reserve my final judgement on this year's schedule after we get through non con, but I expect next season's to be much better.
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Post by BeantownHoya on Aug 27, 2024 14:56:45 GMT -5
Disappointing...I am not one that thinks you have to run the gauntlet in OOC and especially with a younger team...but had really hoped for one more Power program on the schedule at Capital Arena... Even if was like a Temple or a UNLV or an SMU...just something of that nature/talent...didn't have to be a marque name but something a little more challenging... Yes I want ideally 4-5 P4 level games (includes the likes of top other teams like SDSU) each non con and not just total cupcakes for the rest. Like you said I get this is a young year without expectations of actually making the tournament, but it is worth scaling up some opponents even a little bit instead of it being 3 P4 and not much. At least schedule cupcakes that could get some visitors in the seats as well for the sake of filling Cap one. That's why I would not mind Howard, GW, GMU, etc. You would absolutely get more seats filled by students if you played GW simply because it is easy to stoke that. I will say that I do not mind Lehigh in the sense of it taking one of the cupcake spots. It cannot hurt to play football league opponents from a promotional perspective (except Colgate, that is a definite trap game considering they've made the tournament the last 5 years but are always a low seed). In my mind, ideally next season (or for a competitive team in general) I would want: 4-5 P4 level games, 1-2 local programs, 1-2 A10/AAC/MW level opponents or equal, a decent MTE, 1 Patriot league game, 1-2 in McD (If Done Right), heck throw in an Ivy as well to give one them a fun beat down that students would get a kick out of. This should be more than achievable in future seasons as some of these can overlap. I will reserve my final judgement on this year's schedule after we get through non con, but I expect next season's to be much better.I am not saying this to be controversial/a jerk...because I also would love to see GW and George Mason on the schedule every year...but I wonder with the state of the program if their worried about losing to those programs and how that looks right now and why they don't schedule them...
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Post by hoyaguy on Aug 27, 2024 15:12:27 GMT -5
Yes I want ideally 4-5 P4 level games (includes the likes of top other teams like SDSU) each non con and not just total cupcakes for the rest. Like you said I get this is a young year without expectations of actually making the tournament, but it is worth scaling up some opponents even a little bit instead of it being 3 P4 and not much. At least schedule cupcakes that could get some visitors in the seats as well for the sake of filling Cap one. That's why I would not mind Howard, GW, GMU, etc. You would absolutely get more seats filled by students if you played GW simply because it is easy to stoke that. I will say that I do not mind Lehigh in the sense of it taking one of the cupcake spots. It cannot hurt to play football league opponents from a promotional perspective (except Colgate, that is a definite trap game considering they've made the tournament the last 5 years but are always a low seed). In my mind, ideally next season (or for a competitive team in general) I would want: 4-5 P4 level games, 1-2 local programs, 1-2 A10/AAC/MW level opponents or equal, a decent MTE, 1 Patriot league game, 1-2 in McD (If Done Right), heck throw in an Ivy as well to give one them a fun beat down that students would get a kick out of. This should be more than achievable in future seasons as some of these can overlap. I will reserve my final judgement on this year's schedule after we get through non con, but I expect next season's to be much better.I am not saying this to be controversial/a jerk...because I also would love to see GW and George Mason on the schedule every year...but I wonder with the state of the program if their worried about losing to those programs and how that looks right now and why they don't schedule them... Totally valid. I had this thought as well, which is partly why I am not annoyed at their continued absence and this year's schedule in general. There should never be worry about beating Howard though. Which again is why I kind of put some flexibility into my ideal OOC schedule criteria. Just having some local opponent in my opinion, even if it is lopsided is better than an out of town cupcake. We will have Maryland next year right? So that basically already covers that.
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prhoya
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Post by prhoya on Aug 27, 2024 15:21:43 GMT -5
Here are last year's KenPom final rankings for the teams on our schedule: Notre Dame - 118 Lehigh - 263 Fairfield - 175 Mount St. Mary's - 249 St. Francis - 354 Wagner - 292 Albany - 244 UMBC - 274 Coppin State - 361 West Virginia (away) - 144 Syracuse (away) - 80 Not a great schedule but I've said why I think schedules like this are bad a million times before so I won't say it again. I realize we are rebuilding and all that, but it doesn't need to be this bad. We aren't playing ANY teams that were even close to being tournament teams last year. And as bad as we were last year, 7 of our 11 opponents were WORSE. Thanks for the info. Is there a connection between our coaching staff and St. Francis/Coppin St.? IIRC from last year, there was a connection with the Fairfield staff. Where are American (296) and Howard (275)? Looks better, local and more fans for CaveOne…
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madgesiq92
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Post by madgesiq92 on Aug 27, 2024 18:27:44 GMT -5
Non con schedule released. Two McDonough Games. Awaiting comments from Georgetown. Or more likely, not. you jumped the shark in 2008 After the Davidson game. I would like to give you a doll dressed as a Hoya and ask where the program hurt you. This is an absolutely understandable and acceptable schedule for our program and the group of players we have at this point. We get two games at McDonough for the students and a games that will allow Cooley to play all of our young players deep into the rotation. There are 2 Challenging road games and one decent nonconference home game. Comparing A schedule that Cooley would put together for a young rebuilding team with nine new young rotation players To schedule that John Thompson Junior put together for a top 10 team with national championship aspirations is idiotic, but I’ve come to expect that from you
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Post by madgesiq92 on Aug 27, 2024 18:36:15 GMT -5
An NAIA school on Thanksgiving weekend. Really? This may be the worst non-conference schedule since the St. Leo days. Awaiting comments from Georgetown. Or more likely, not. Albany plays in America East. By no metric is this schedule worse than Ewing’s first season, an OOC schedule that was second softest power conference schedule in the history of KenPom era. (And that should come with an asterisk because the softest was the first Baylor season post-Dave Bliss) What in the world are you talking about? it’s Unfortunate that the three main public sources for Hoya discussion all have administrators who Show hyperbolic distain for the current program.. but
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Post by DFW HOYA on Aug 27, 2024 19:09:30 GMT -5
it’s Unfortunate that the three main public sources for Hoya discussion all have administrators who Show hyperbolic distain for the current program.. but Agree to disagree. BTW, lots of people want this program to open its doors and engage people, but this was a summer of missed opportunities. That summer "open practice" has gone the way of Midnight Madness.
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Post by EtomicB on Aug 27, 2024 19:24:20 GMT -5
Albany plays in America East. By no metric is this schedule worse than Ewing’s first season, an OOC schedule that was second softest power conference schedule in the history of KenPom era. (And that should come with an asterisk because the softest was the first Baylor season post-Dave Bliss) What in the world are you talking about? it’s Unfortunate that the three main public sources for Hoya discussion all have administrators who Show hyperbolic distain for the current program.. but This is what happens when a program shows literal disdain for its fan base
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Post by jackofjoy on Aug 27, 2024 21:04:56 GMT -5
Here are last year's KenPom final rankings for the teams on our schedule: Notre Dame - 118 Lehigh - 263 Fairfield - 175 Mount St. Mary's - 249 St. Francis - 354 Wagner - 292 Albany - 244 UMBC - 274 Coppin State - 361 West Virginia (away) - 144 Syracuse (away) - 80 Not a great schedule but I've said why I think schedules like this are bad a million times before so I won't say it again. I realize we are rebuilding and all that, but it doesn't need to be this bad. We aren't playing ANY teams that were even close to being tournament teams last year. And as bad as we were last year, 7 of our 11 opponents were WORSE. In his introductory press conference last year didn’t Cooley say something to the effect of “anyone can ask me any question”? someone should ask about OCC. I get “rebuilding” and all, but honestly, is there any loss at this point that would bring the program to a lower point? Just don’t understand how this prepares a team for the BE.
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Post by Omega on Aug 27, 2024 21:30:42 GMT -5
All this talk about the ooc is overblown. This is a young team with new faces; add no Kenner League play and this schedule makes sense. They need time to grow and gel. This schedule should provide opportunities for the players to play together in game situations and grow.
I'm ready for the season to start.
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jwp91
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Post by jwp91 on Aug 27, 2024 21:36:00 GMT -5
Here are last year's KenPom final rankings for the teams on our schedule: Notre Dame - 118 Lehigh - 263 Fairfield - 175 Mount St. Mary's - 249 St. Francis - 354 Wagner - 292 Albany - 244 UMBC - 274 Coppin State - 361 West Virginia (away) - 144 Syracuse (away) - 80 Not a great schedule but I've said why I think schedules like this are bad a million times before so I won't say it again. I realize we are rebuilding and all that, but it doesn't need to be this bad. We aren't playing ANY teams that were even close to being tournament teams last year. And as bad as we were last year, 7 of our 11 opponents were WORSE. In his introductory press conference last year didn’t Cooley say something to the effect of “anyone can ask me any question”? someone should ask about OCC. I get “rebuilding” and all, but honestly, is there any loss at this point that would bring the program to a lower point? Just don’t understand how this prepares a team for the BE. This team has 4 true freshman and 2 players who could be seniors in high school. We have 2 returning scholarship players. Are you crazy? What did you expect?
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Post by prhoya on Aug 27, 2024 22:17:49 GMT -5
…heck throw in an Ivy as well to give one them a fun beat down that students would get a kick out of. The last time we beat an Ivy League school was in 2015. Don’t knock them.
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