Mason Moses 2024 commits to Georgetown

[RusskyHoya]

I might just call him Mason Ayegba for fun

[jackofjoy]

Who is Mike Jones Mason Moses?

[DanMcQ]

newenglandrecruitingreport.com/recruits/mason-moses-2024

www.recruitthebronx.com/index.php/prospects/get_prospects_details/17803



twitter: @masonmoses2005

[SDHoya]

New walk on?

[hoyaguy]

Apr 26, 2024 20:18:20 GMT -5 SDHoya said:

New walk on?

seems that way

[DanMcQ]

[hoyasaxaphone]

Looks like a reasonble "3 and D" guy with good length..........who will never find the court under Cooley. But he should (like Austin Montgomery should have) given his outside shot on what could be a shooting challenged team this year.

[CTHoya08]

Wow. We’re already starting the “walk-on freshman is better than the four guys in front of him at the same position” HoyaTalk narrative? I would have expected that in January, not April.

[SSHoya]

Apr 28, 2024 10:39:53 GMT -5 CTHoya08 said:

Wow. We’re already starting the “walk-on freshman is better than the four guys in front of him at the same position” HoyaTalk narrative? I would have expected that in January, not April.

The next Gharun Hester!

[prhoya]

That looks like Yates Court #2 freshmen intramurals…

[hoyasaxa2003]

Apr 28, 2024 10:39:53 GMT -5 CTHoya08 said:

Wow. We’re already starting the “walk-on freshman is better than the four guys in front of him at the same position” HoyaTalk narrative? I would have expected that in January, not April.

Agreed. While I realize it is the off season and we do not have much to talk about, the idea that walk-ons should play is crazy to me unless they are a rare diamond in the rough who is a late bloomer or something like that. Obviously, this is not always literally the case, but if you are a walk on it essentially means that all D-1 coaches have passed over you in recruiting. If that's true, you likely do not have the talent or skill to justify real time.

Now, of course there are exceptions. Jon Wallace was originally a walk-on, etc. But, for the most part, walk ons are walk ons for a reason--preferred or not.

I still find the Austin Montgomery thing to be funny. The argument goes that Ed Cooley had a walk-on on the bench who could have improved our team, but intentionally kept him on the bench because? I'm not sure why, which is why the whole thing is humorous.

[jwp91]

Apr 28, 2024 12:42:47 GMT -5 hoyasaxa2003 said:

Apr 28, 2024 10:39:53 GMT -5 CTHoya08 said:

Wow. We’re already starting the “walk-on freshman is better than the four guys in front of him at the same position” HoyaTalk narrative? I would have expected that in January, not April.

Agreed. While I realize it is the off season and we do not have much to talk about, the idea that walk-ons should play is crazy to me unless they are a rare diamond in the rough who is a late bloomer or something like that. Obviously, this is not always literally the case, but if you are a walk on it essentially means that all D-1 coaches have passed over you in recruiting. If that's true, you likely do not have the talent or skill to justify real time.

Now, of course there are exceptions. Jon Wallace was originally a walk-on, etc. But, for the most part, walk ons are walk ons for a reason--preferred or not.

I still find the Austin Montgomery thing to be funny. The argument goes that Ed Cooley had a walk-on on the bench who could have improved our team, but intentionally kept him on the bench because? I'm not sure why, which is why the whole thing is humorous.

There is a pretty big leap from saying walk on should play vs noting that his differential skill set is one that is in short supply on the current roster.

[DanMcQ]

It has been proffered here that last year's bench was too short and hampered the team. Adding a walk-on with length and skill sets (good outside shooting and aggressive D) that were not in abundant supply on last year's roster would seem a good thing, if for nothing other than challenging the top 8-9 guys daily in practice and potentially adding positive spot minutes.

[CTHoya08]

Apr 28, 2024 13:07:40 GMT -5 jwp91 said:

Apr 28, 2024 12:42:47 GMT -5 hoyasaxa2003 said:

Agreed. While I realize it is the off season and we do not have much to talk about, the idea that walk-ons should play is crazy to me unless they are a rare diamond in the rough who is a late bloomer or something like that. Obviously, this is not always literally the case, but if you are a walk on it essentially means that all D-1 coaches have passed over you in recruiting. If that's true, you likely do not have the talent or skill to justify real time.

Now, of course there are exceptions. Jon Wallace was originally a walk-on, etc. But, for the most part, walk ons are walk ons for a reason--preferred or not.

I still find the Austin Montgomery thing to be funny. The argument goes that Ed Cooley had a walk-on on the bench who could have improved our team, but intentionally kept him on the bench because? I'm not sure why, which is why the whole thing is humorous.

There is a pretty big leap from saying walk on should play vs noting that his differential skill set is one that is in short supply on the current roster.

For sure. And I was responding to the statement that he “should” play.

[prhoya]

Apr 28, 2024 13:29:06 GMT -5 DanMcQ said:

It has been proffered here that last year's bench was too short and hampered the team. Adding a walk-on with length and skill sets (good outside shooting and aggressive D) that were not in abundant supply on last year's roster would seem a good thing, if for nothing other than challenging the top 8-9 guys daily in practice and potentially adding positive spot minutes.

Last year we had 5 walk-ons ranging from 6’1” to 6’10” and advertised as having similar skill sets. But, we need at least 11 scholarship players to make practices competitive, deal with injuries without drop-offs, etc…. That said, walk-ons are an essential part of the team. I don’t find it funny (like 2003) when people call for walk-ons to get minutes when the scholarship players are sucking, esp. with a short roster. It’s a teachable moment.

[DFW HOYA]

Apr 28, 2024 14:37:12 GMT -5 prhoya said:

Last year we had 5 walk-ons ranging from 6’1” to 6’10” and advertised as having different skill sets.

I'll go with four for last season (i.e. Bacote was probably not a PWO) but the point remains that walk-on talent serve a supplementary role on a team, but not at the expense of a deeper lineup.

Mason Moses was ranked #108th in the NEPSAC, which is closer to the IAC than the WCAC. He's reported as a capable outside shooter and defender, but it's a prohibitive jump from the prep level at Brewster to major college basketball. The staff secured a high-academic kid that can help the team get better and that's an important element as he build his skills going forward.

[prhoya]

Apr 28, 2024 15:07:24 GMT -5 DFW HOYA said:

Apr 28, 2024 14:37:12 GMT -5 prhoya said:

Last year we had 5 walk-ons ranging from 6’1” to 6’10” and advertised as having different skill sets.

I'll go with four for last season (i.e. Bacote was probably not a PWO) but the point remains that walk-on talent serve a supplementary role on a team, but not at the expense of a deeper lineup.

Mason Moses was ranked #108th in the NEPSAC, which is closer to the IAC than the WCAC. He's reported as a capable outside shooter and defender, but it's a prohibitive jump from the prep level at Brewster to major college basketball. The staff secured a high-academic kid that can help the team get better and that's an important element as he build his skills going forward.

The pinned recruiting table has 5 for 2023-24: Asadallah, V.Muresan, Kazor, Grant and Montgomery. I didn’t count Bacote and appreciate what he does for the team. Hopefully, Cooley can retain freshman walk-ons for 4 years.

[DFW HOYA]

Apr 28, 2024 15:17:54 GMT -5 prhoya said:

The pinned recruiting table has 5 for 2023-24: Asadallah, V.Muresan, Kazor, Grant and Montgomery. I didn’t count Bacote and appreciate what he does for the team. Hopefully, Cooley can retain freshman walk-ons for 4 years.

Got it, thanks. I was recalling a different thread which discussed Bacote.

[DanMcQ]

Apr 28, 2024 15:17:54 GMT -5 prhoya said:

Apr 28, 2024 15:07:24 GMT -5 DFW HOYA said:

I'll go with four for last season (i.e. Bacote was probably not a PWO) but the point remains that walk-on talent serve a supplementary role on a team, but not at the expense of a deeper lineup.

Mason Moses was ranked #108th in the NEPSAC, which is closer to the IAC than the WCAC. He's reported as a capable outside shooter and defender, but it's a prohibitive jump from the prep level at Brewster to major college basketball. The staff secured a high-academic kid that can help the team get better and that's an important element as he build his skills going forward.

The pinned recruiting table has 5 for 2023-24: Asadallah, V.Muresan, Kazor, Grant and Montgomery. I didn’t count Bacote and appreciate what he does for the team. Hopefully, Cooley can retain freshman walk-ons for 4 years.

Just to clarify, the pinned recruiting table here is NOT the official roster and has always been our best interpretation of what is available from the team, reliably sourced media, and the student athletes themselves. As for the 5 listed for 23-24, Grant only saw spot action in a couple of games before leaving the team before the Big East season. Also to clarify, I do not view walk-ons as substitutes for scholarship players, unless of course they turn out to be Jon Wallace.

[hoyasaxa2003]

Apr 28, 2024 13:07:40 GMT -5 jwp91 said:

Apr 28, 2024 12:42:47 GMT -5 hoyasaxa2003 said:

Agreed. While I realize it is the off season and we do not have much to talk about, the idea that walk-ons should play is crazy to me unless they are a rare diamond in the rough who is a late bloomer or something like that. Obviously, this is not always literally the case, but if you are a walk on it essentially means that all D-1 coaches have passed over you in recruiting. If that's true, you likely do not have the talent or skill to justify real time.

Now, of course there are exceptions. Jon Wallace was originally a walk-on, etc. But, for the most part, walk ons are walk ons for a reason--preferred or not.

I still find the Austin Montgomery thing to be funny. The argument goes that Ed Cooley had a walk-on on the bench who could have improved our team, but intentionally kept him on the bench because? I'm not sure why, which is why the whole thing is humorous.

There is a pretty big leap from saying walk on should play vs noting that his differential skill set is one that is in short supply on the current roster.

Well, I was responding to the chain where the one poster said that the walk-ons should play. To be clear, as others said, I think it is important to have walk ons for various reasons--practice, good academic high character guys, high basketball IQ guys, etc. That was never the point. But when people say walk ons should play, I think that is does not make sense unless it happens to be one of the rare diamonds in the rough who actually are Division 1 level players.

As far as putting a walk on in during garbage time? Fine. To send a message? Maybe, but I cannot think of many instances in Big East play where other teams (all of whom were better than us other than DePaul) who put in walk ons to send messages. Really, the scholarship roster should be deep enough (and I know last year it wasn't) that if you have to send a message, it's a scholarship player who gets the call, not a walk on.

Put differently: if we are at a point during the season where Cooley needs to put in a walk on to send a message, or for quality play, we are already in a host of trouble and not playing at the level we should be at. I guess that's where we were in the 2023-2024 season. Hopefully we will never repeat that again, at least not under Cooley.

As far as his skill set, I'll leave that to others to scrutinize since I don't want to speak with no knowledge. And I agree that skill set, if it exists, would probably be great in practice to help other guys. But Division I high major level skills from someone who wasn't recruited to Division 1? I am skeptical until shown otherwise.


EDIT:*To be clear, the amusing aspect to me has nothing to do with the walk-ons themselves who I appreciate, but rather fans who feel like their lack of play was somehow improper or would have made a difference. As I said, if you think that is so, then you think Cooley intentionally (or though gross incompetence) kept guys on the bench even though they could have helped us perform better--even though Cooley saw them all in practice every day. To me, that makes no sense--especially since on some rare occasions Cooley did play Bacote.