24-25 Big East Discussion

[EtomicB]

This didn't come from the NY Post but it's a good tidbit..

It'll be interesting to see how KR plays without the ball in his hands constantly.

[jwp91]

EvanMiya released his 24-25 model.

He has the Hoyas 10th in the league and #100 in the country. He has the Hoyas 5.4 ppg better than the average D1 offense and .3 ppg better than the average D1 defense.

Like all the other prognostications, it is difficult to avoid our near term past.

Hopefully, we can exceed the model's predictions.

[DFW HOYA]

Oct 10, 2024 12:47:49 GMT -5 jwp91 said:

EvanMiya released his 24-25 model.

He has the Hoyas 10th in the league and #100 in the country. He has the Hoyas 5.4 ppg better than the average D1 offense and .3 ppg better than the average D1 defense.

Evan Miya has offensive and defensive efficiency stats on players who have never appeared in a college game before. Is this just a guess on his part?

[jwp91]

He does. I have no idea how he came up with them.

Here is the net BPR for several new ones

Sorber 2.02
Mulready 1.52
Burks 1.37
Julius 1.11

[EtomicB]

Nova needs Longino to have a good year..

[EtomicB]

[EtomicB]

[hoyas315]

[EtomicB]

A lot of misses in this clip but I wouldn't bet against Holloway...

[EtomicB]

[EtomicB]

Strong & speedy recovery to the young man

[EtomicB]

[SFHoya99]

Oct 10, 2024 13:35:25 GMT -5 jwp91 said:

He does. I have no idea how he came up with them.

Here is the net BPR for several new ones

Sorber 2.02
Mulready 1.52
Burks 1.37
Julius 1.11

I believe they base it off recruiting rankings and using historical correlations.

[SFHoya99]

Would people be happy with a coach who went to another school's Midnight Madness, wore the other school's gear and basically promoted the other school while coaching Georgetown?

Because Rick Pitino just did that at Kentucky. So weird.

[401to202hoya]

Oct 14, 2024 13:00:01 GMT -5 SFHoya99 said:

Would people be happy with a coach who went to another school's Midnight Madness, wore the other school's gear and basically promoted the other school while coaching Georgetown?

Because Rick Pitino just did that at Kentucky. So weird.

I did see that and thought it was kind of...weird. 

[EtomicB]

“Yeah, that was the process going into it,” Holloway said Monday at Seton Hall media day in response to a question from NJ Advance Media. “I wanted to get 10-11 guys that could play. I want to play a different type of style this year, kind of similar to Saint Peter’s.”

Holloway feels he has seven guards/wings and three big men, but has yet to have a full practice with the whole team due to players coming back from injuries. The depth will allow him to play a variety of offensive styles, and to spread out the minutes without relying on a few guys to play 35 minutes a night.

[EtomicB]

MCIGuy A "secret" scrimmage just means that fans and media aren't allowed in the gym. Programs can put out as much information after the fact as they want to.


Brooks looks like he's gonna be a bigger problem this year & Kolby King looks like he may have may a jump during his MM time.

[kghoya]

Oct 14, 2024 13:00:01 GMT -5 SFHoya99 said:

Would people be happy with a coach who went to another school's Midnight Madness, wore the other school's gear and basically promoted the other school while coaching Georgetown?

Because Rick Pitino just did that at Kentucky. So weird.

Would it mean that that coach was a national championship winning coach? Decent tradeoff.

[prhoya]

Oct 14, 2024 13:00:01 GMT -5 SFHoya99 said:

Would people be happy with a coach who went to another school's Midnight Madness, wore the other school's gear and basically promoted the other school while coaching Georgetown?

Because Rick Pitino just did that at Kentucky. So weird.

Very smart in the Age of NIL and Free Transfers…

[prhoya]

Why does it have to be so bad? It continues to be amateur hour with a Top 15 NCAA budget!

From the front page:

“As October is well underway, the promotion of pre-season events across the Big East has one school absent.

The basketball office has neither announced nor promoted any activities in advance of its Nov. 6 opener versus Lehigh. A year ago, head coach Ed Cooley was promoting "transformational change" among the fan base while an Associated Press story claimed "overall ticket revenue is projected to grow 67 [percent]" in 2033-24. (Average attendance for paid games increased from 5,337 to 6,612 per game, net of the free opener.)

This season, the message at Georgetown is far more muted compared to activities elsewhere in the conference:

Opening Events: Six Big East schools opened the off-season with events along the line of the now deprecated term of "Midnight Madness", as the NCAA no long holds teams to starting team practices at midnight of the first allowable day. Another three schools paired, or are pairing, an opening event with a NIL-based fundraiser. The opening of formal practice at Georgetown came and went without fanfare on September 24. The school has not held a Midnight Madness-styled event since 2019.
Intrasquad Scrimmages: Six Big East schools have, or will hold, a public intrasquad scrimmage this month in conjunction with, or separate from, its opening events as described above. Georgetown held a scrimmage for students last year, its first since 1982, but has not announced any such event for 2024.
Exhibition Games: The NCAA has liberalized the use of pre-season Division I exhibition games, particularly for charitable purposes. Eight of 11 Big East teams will participate in games this year, beginning October 14 (Connecticut vs. Rhode Island at Mohegan Sun) and concluding Oct. 30. Georgetown's last exhibition game was on November 3, 2001 versus a traveling team from Ft. Hood, TX.
Reasons why Georgetown isn't as visible in October can vary. Yes, some of it is ingrained: though Cooley may deny it, this is the same "nothing to see here" approach utilized by his four predecessors. The fan base does not expect much publicity from Georgetown any more, and thus does not complain when they fail to act.

Could they afford to do more? Basketball's overall budget, though large, likely gives little thought to promotional activity, and outside sponsorship of Georgetown events remains low. Increasing Georgetown "spirit", no matter how it is defined, isn't selling tickets right now. There is no director of marketing or "sports promotions" anymore, and its only FTE in the "Marketing & Promotions" department manages visual media.

As McDonough Gymnasium ages, its utility to host events dwindles, and the cost of renting Capital One Arena would be prohibitive with the likelihood of very small crowds for such an event. Finally, the Georgetown NIL footprint is far smaller than what some Fox announcers would have you believe, and absent a community platform its own events remain in stealth.

All of these factors minimize the ability of the Hoyas to dig out of a decade or more of low expectations in the University and broader D.C communities. Winning would help, but even that is just a start. Otherwise, with eight freshmen and 13 newcomers overall, a first look at the 2024-25 Hoyas may not come until the season opener.

MM/NIL Scrimmage Exhibition
Butler Yes Yes
UConn Yes Yes Yes
Creighton Yes Yes
DePaul Yes Yes
Georgetown
Marquette Yes Yes
Providence Yes Yes
Seton Hall Yes
St. John's Yes Yes Yes
Villanova Yes Yes Yes
Xavier Yes Yes Yes”

Georgetown? Nada.

(DFW, please add the front page table.)