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Post by BeantownHoya on Sept 23, 2024 13:01:14 GMT -5
I fixed it for you because I'm sure you'd agree that marketing matters otherwise we wouldn't see it being done so consistently well by Gtown's conference peers who are outperforming Gtown where it matters most. Don't attempt to fix my posts, because I don't agree. Articles like that are to generate general fan interest. It couldn't matter less. What mattters is what happens on the court. Until that is fixed, no amount of 'lipstick on the pig' is going to be worth a hill of beans. Nothing in that article helps anyone or prevents Mack and Sorber to be the biggest breakout players in the conference. ...I don't disagree about ultimately what matters most is results...but we should able to do both things don't you think? That's my only problem...that helps generate buy-in, gets students and fans enthusiastic about the season, etc...sure again it's all an image and you have to win...but just odd that we somehow can't do both like every other program and balance both...
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Post by jwp91 on Sept 23, 2024 14:18:30 GMT -5
Don't attempt to fix my posts, because I don't agree. Articles like that are to generate general fan interest. It couldn't matter less. What mattters is what happens on the court. Until that is fixed, no amount of 'lipstick on the pig' is going to be worth a hill of beans. Nothing in that article helps anyone or prevents Mack and Sorber to be the biggest breakout players in the conference. ...I don't disagree about ultimately what matters most is results...but we should able to do both things don't you think? That's my only problem...that helps generate buy-in, gets students and fans enthusiastic about the season, etc...sure again it's all an image and you have to win...but just odd that we somehow can't do both like every other program and balance both... There are things that matter and things that don't matter. Energy spent RIGHT NOW that isn't recruiting, coaching, developing, and raising NIL fits into the does not matter category. Until we show progress on the court, I am completely fine with Cooley keeping a low profile as it relates to hype and marketing to the general population of college basketball fans.
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Post by seaweed on Sept 23, 2024 15:36:18 GMT -5
...I don't disagree about ultimately what matters most is results...but we should able to do both things don't you think? That's my only problem...that helps generate buy-in, gets students and fans enthusiastic about the season, etc...sure again it's all an image and you have to win...but just odd that we somehow can't do both like every other program and balance both... There are things that matter and things that don't matter. Energy spent RIGHT NOW that isn't recruiting, coaching, developing, and raising NIL fits into the does not matter category. Until we show progress on the court, I am completely fine with Cooley keeping a low profile as it relates to hype and marketing to the general population of college basketball fans. 100%. Low profile until on-court activities warrant talk. Also, it’s not even pre-season yet and maybe GU would prefer to hype other sports that are playing games. I have seen a fair number of social media posts about soccer, football, sailing and other fall sports from the athletic department lately and I respect that those teams have earned the spotlight. Let them have it until hoops is active and winning. Putting too much out there at this point is wasted energy when the games at 7 weeks away. This program isn’t a 52 week a year fan draw at this time.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Sept 23, 2024 15:41:37 GMT -5
There are things that matter and things that don't matter. Energy spent RIGHT NOW that isn't recruiting, coaching, developing, and raising NIL fits into the does not matter category. Until we show progress on the court, I am completely fine with Cooley keeping a low profile as it relates to hype and marketing to the general population of college basketball fans. Constituent Relations Matter. If Georgetown is moving to a walk-up ticket model (all tickets sold day of game), then perhaps selling tickets in advance doesn't matter. If program communication is no longer important, then GUHoyas.com and @georgetownhoyas need to drop basketball from their list of coverage and focus on other sports. If raising NIL is all that matters, then perhaps Georgetown needs to stop asking for money. None of these apply. The moment Ed Cooley walks into the press room at spacious Capital One Arena and starts complaining that he's not getting enough support, know that support is a two way street.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Sept 24, 2024 9:32:09 GMT -5
Fair point. I am too much of an old timer to give much time or attention to social media, press releases, media exposure, etc. but even I know that Cooley and the program should be doing more
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Post by prhoya on Sept 24, 2024 10:38:15 GMT -5
Fair point. I am too much of an old timer to give much time or attention to social media, press releases, media exposure, etc. but even I know that Cooley and the program should be doing more Exactly. Walk and chew gum. Remember when Cooley said he was going to be out and about campus, interacting with students, the open-door policy, etc...? He didn't say "don't come around this first year; wait until year 4 to come around." What is the strategy to increase student/fan engagement?
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Post by 78HOYA78 on Sept 25, 2024 7:51:44 GMT -5
I'm an old timer and just because it's not on social media doesn't mean that Coach Cooley is not engaging students and interacting with those on campus. Social media has spoiled a lot of people and all contacts and interactions can't be posted. Has anyone on this blog followed the coach around to see what he is doing??
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Post by cnyhoya on Sept 25, 2024 8:19:35 GMT -5
There are things that matter and things that don't matter. Energy spent RIGHT NOW that isn't recruiting, coaching, developing, and raising NIL fits into the does not matter category. Until we show progress on the court, I am completely fine with Cooley keeping a low profile as it relates to hype and marketing to the general population of college basketball fans. 100%. Low profile until on-court activities warrant talk. Also, it’s not even pre-season yet and maybe GU would prefer to hype other sports that are playing games. I have seen a fair number of social media posts about soccer, football, sailing and other fall sports from the athletic department lately and I respect that those teams have earned the spotlight. Let them have it until hoops is active and winning. Putting too much out there at this point is wasted energy when the games at 7 weeks away. This program isn’t a 52 week a year fan draw at this time.
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Post by cnyhoya on Sept 25, 2024 8:22:00 GMT -5
I fixed it for you because I'm sure you'd agree that marketing matters otherwise we wouldn't see it being done so consistently well by Gtown's conference peers who are outperforming Gtown where it matters most. Don't attempt to fix my posts, because I don't agree. Articles like that are to generate general fan interest. It couldn't matter less. What mattters is what happens on the court. Until that is fixed, no amount of 'lipstick on the pig' is going to be worth a hill of beans. Nothing in that article helps anyone or prevents Mack and Sorber to be the biggest breakout players in the conference. So salty!
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Post by EtomicB on Sept 25, 2024 8:34:34 GMT -5
I'm an old timer and just because it's not on social media doesn't mean that Coach Cooley is not engaging students and interacting with those on campus. Social media has spoiled a lot of people and all contacts and interactions can't be posted. Has anyone on this blog followed the coach around to see what he is doing?? Forget engaging with students, Cooley hasn't spoken publicly about any of the new players he's brought in or the players he retained. He's done a terrible job promoting the program outside of NIL fundraisers. Hoya fans are far from spoiled
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Post by jwp91 on Sept 25, 2024 9:08:17 GMT -5
Don't attempt to fix my posts, because I don't agree. Articles like that are to generate general fan interest. It couldn't matter less. What mattters is what happens on the court. Until that is fixed, no amount of 'lipstick on the pig' is going to be worth a hill of beans. Nothing in that article helps anyone or prevents Mack and Sorber to be the biggest breakout players in the conference. So salty! The whining is tiresome.
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Post by EtomicB on Sept 25, 2024 9:37:10 GMT -5
Xavier: Murphy’s Law hit the Cintas Center last season when two projected starters in the Musketeers’ frontcourt — Zach Freemantle and Jerome Hunter — both didn’t play a single minute due to season-ending injuries. If both are healthy in 2024-25, Sean Miller may very well have the Big East’s top challenger to UConn. Veteran point guard Dayvion McKnight (12.4 points, 4.8 assists, 3.7 rebounds) is back for his fifth season and should have a bevy of weapons at his disposal. A troika of incoming transfers — Ryan Conwell (Indiana State), Dante Maddox (Toledo), and Marcus Foster (Furman) — combined to make 230 three-point shots last season while 6-10 big man Lassina Traore (11.9 points, 10.3 rebounds) averaged a double-double at Long Beach State. Without Freemantle and Hunter, Xavier only won 16 games last season. If everyone stays healthy in 2024-25, a 10-win improvement feels within reach.
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Post by cnyhoya on Sept 25, 2024 13:36:08 GMT -5
Agreed. Lighten up a bit and try to have fun!
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Post by EtomicB on Sept 26, 2024 8:55:42 GMT -5
5 BE kids including Sorber.
Thomas Sorber, Georgetown: Sorber has to be in the mix for Big East Freshman of the Year if the Hoyas are going to finish in the middle of the conference standings in their second season under Ed Cooley. The 6-9 big man is the strong favorite to be Georgetown’s starting center during the 2024-25 season.
Hamilton - Marquette
Glover - St. John's
Erhunmwunse - PC
McAndrew - Creighton
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Post by hoyariv71 on Sept 26, 2024 9:59:01 GMT -5
I’m all in on Sober, thinking 14pts 8 Rebs 1+ block
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Post by SSHoya on Sept 26, 2024 10:12:40 GMT -5
I’m all in on Sober, thinking 14pts 8 Rebs 1+ block If we got 10 and 5 from him I'd be thrilled. Otto Porter averaged 10 and 7 as a frosh.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Sept 26, 2024 20:06:34 GMT -5
I'm an old timer and just because it's not on social media doesn't mean that Coach Cooley is not engaging students and interacting with those on campus. Social media has spoiled a lot of people and all contacts and interactions can't be posted. Has anyone on this blog followed the coach around to see what he is doing?? Forget engaging with students, Cooley hasn't spoken publicly about any of the new players he's brought in or the players he retained. He's done a terrible job promoting the program outside of NIL fundraisers. Hoya fans are far from spoiled Again, I agree with you Cooley should be doing more media, but frankly our program has won 4 Big East games over three seasons. Other than the people on HoyaTalk and some additional people, at the end of September 2024, not many people care about Georgetown basketball. To some extent, had Cooley been doing interviews all summer he would have been speaking into a void. Let me ask...now hat Cooley has done an interview, how many people will actually take the half hour to watch it now? Probably not a huge amount, if I had to guess. I am still glad he did it though. If he did that, I expect he'll do more as the season begins to get closer. *I think anybody talking about student engagement has a real problem--you are likely not a student and have no idea what they are doing. The HoyasRising NIL Instagram has posted stories with our players out and about on campus multiple times since students are back. Presumably, Cooley has done some of that too? I don't know. But, I do know he did last year too. I am happy to be proven wrong, but it's easy to say we aren't engaging students when...most people have no clue. And we really do not know.
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Post by prhoya on Sept 26, 2024 20:35:40 GMT -5
Forget engaging with students, Cooley hasn't spoken publicly about any of the new players he's brought in or the players he retained. He's done a terrible job promoting the program outside of NIL fundraisers. Hoya fans are far from spoiled Again, I agree with you Cooley should be doing more media, but frankly our program has won 4 Big East games over three seasons. Other than the people on HoyaTalk and some additional people, at the end of September 2024, not many people care about Georgetown basketball. To some extent, had Cooley been doing interviews all summer he would have been speaking into a void. Let me ask...now hat Cooley has done an interview, how many people will actually take the half hour to watch it now? Probably not a huge amount, if I had to guess. I am still glad he did it though. If he did that, I expect he'll do more as the season begins to get closer. *I think anybody talking about student engagement has a real problem--you are likely not a student and have no idea what they are doing. The HoyasRising NIL Instagram has posted stories with our players out and about on campus multiple times since students are back. Presumably, Cooley has done some of that too? I don't know. But, I do know he did last year too. I am happy to be proven wrong, but it's easy to say we aren't engaging students when...most people have no clue. And we really do not know. Do you have friends and/or family on campus? Do you visit campus on non-basketball related activity and talk to people there? Is the royal “we” a projection?
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Post by EtomicB on Sept 27, 2024 10:37:35 GMT -5
Forget engaging with students, Cooley hasn't spoken publicly about any of the new players he's brought in or the players he retained. He's done a terrible job promoting the program outside of NIL fundraisers. Hoya fans are far from spoiled Again, I agree with you Cooley should be doing more media, but frankly our program has won 4 Big East games over three seasons. Other than the people on HoyaTalk and some additional people, at the end of September 2024, not many people care about Georgetown basketball. To some extent, had Cooley been doing interviews all summer he would have been speaking into a void. Let me ask...now hat Cooley has done an interview, how many people will actually take the half hour to watch it now? Probably not a huge amount, if I had to guess. I am still glad he did it though. If he did that, I expect he'll do more as the season begins to get closer. *I think anybody talking about student engagement has a real problem--you are likely not a student and have no idea what they are doing. The HoyasRising NIL Instagram has posted stories with our players out and about on campus multiple times since students are back. Presumably, Cooley has done some of that too? I don't know. But, I do know he did last year too. I am happy to be proven wrong, but it's easy to say we aren't engaging students when...most people have no clue. And we really do not know. I thought Cooley was hired to bring about a huge change in the program both on & off the court, to me the 4 wins in 3 years are irrelevant to the discussion of how the program should be promoted. Why couldn't the program have done something like this after the summer ended? Or an article in the Hoya like this after he landed some transfers? depauliaonline.com/69334/sports/holtmann-bolsters-roster-with-three-more-transfers-and-multiple-coaches/I liked the interview he did with BE Rewind but it wasn't a team specific interview, they spoke for 25+ minutes before he took a question about the team. The only new tidbit we learned is that Epps has stepped up leadership wise, that's not a lot after 2 months of summer practice.
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Post by jwp91 on Sept 27, 2024 15:37:30 GMT -5
Etomic- Do you realize you have fallen into a Boya like pattern? You post content from all over social media and then whine about why the Hoyas can’t/won’t do the same thing? Over. And Over. And Over.
We understand your point of view. At this point, you have a choice. 1). You can accept what you are getting. 2) You can go root for DePaul or Xavier or whatever program has the social media strategy you prefer, OR 3) You can find a way to acquire the power and influence to actually cause a change…..because what you are doing here isn’t working.
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