DanMcQ
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Post by DanMcQ on Aug 24, 2024 14:39:33 GMT -5
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calhoya
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Post by calhoya on Aug 24, 2024 15:02:39 GMT -5
If UConn leaves big east the conference better get Gonzaga or some good basketball program or it might not survive.DePaul and Hoyas being irrelevant and pitino leaving in 3-4 years another bad team St. John’s nobody will watch the games. The BE will survive the departure of UConn. It was always a bad match as long as UConn harbors dreams of football relevance.The BE needs the Hoyas, DePaul and St. John’s to be good programs but even without that you cannot discount the presence of Creighton, Nova, Xavier,and Marquette.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Aug 24, 2024 15:36:23 GMT -5
Maybe Georgetown should be evaluating its options as well… Georgetown doesn't have those kind of options. We know that. They know that. This is a university that is comfortable being "Penn" in 29 sports, and "Penn State" in one. More than one in ten undergraduates plays on an intercollegiate team and 80% of them do not have an athletic scholarship, yet these are the people who are more likely to support the University as alumni, not those who received a scholarship and never came back. It throws its proverbial eggs in one basket that produced the lowest return on investment in major college sports, but the basic facilities for its other teams are so disparate that one of its women's teams actually played its 2023 home games 64 miles from campus. All that is fine, more or less, if the priority is to provide a well rounded athletic and academic experience to 793 men and women each year. If the priority is to compete with Arizona or Utah or West Virginia for students, that's not the recipe.
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Post by guru on Aug 24, 2024 16:06:15 GMT -5
We've been a shadow of our former selves for a decade. What's in it for them? B10 would laugh at us, a non-FBS school for basketball only? That makes zero sense. ACC? Notre Dame is the only partial member, right? That's not exactly a comp since it at least has FBS football even if not regularly on the ACC schedule. At the moment, we don’t even really register as a major college basketball program. 15 years of institutional rot and neglect have taken a mighty toll. We completely failed our partner schools in the new conference by disappearing nearly from its inception, when we were assumed to be one of the flag bearers. Villanova took over the Big East marquee at first, and now UConn. If UConn departs right now, the possibility of our ever returning to perennial relevance - to say nothing of actually competing for championships - all but evaporates. Forever.
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Post by jwp91 on Aug 24, 2024 18:50:44 GMT -5
Who wants to watch any UConn vs. Big 12 game that is not KU or Baylor? No one except the respective alumni.
They would make more money, but it would be a disastrous decision for the fan base and the athletes.
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jwp91
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Post by jwp91 on Aug 24, 2024 18:53:54 GMT -5
The Big East and part of the ACC will reconstitute somehow.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Aug 24, 2024 19:07:13 GMT -5
If UConn departs right now, the possibility of our ever returning to perennial relevance - to say nothing of actually competing for championships - all but evaporates. Forever. Uh... why, exactly? This sounds like a post from 2013. Did Georgetown fall off the map because Syracuse left? Pitt? Louisville? None of them. The post-2013 Big East rebounded with Villanova and Marquette and, if she was candid, even Val Ackerman would concur that Georgetown never stepped up when it was needed. Georgetown's decade of futility was entirely related to its institutional inability to say no when la familglia ran the program off the roadside and its market-overpayment to its head coaches. The ROI, as stated before, is unsustainable as it now stands. Since 2008, Georgetown has won a grand total of two (2) NCAA and one (1) NIT games, and hasn't been nationally ranked in nine years. UConn has nothing to do with this, and if Ed Cooley is still struggling at .500 in the 2026-27 season, that won't be Dan Hurley's fault, either. The Big East and part of the ACC will reconstitute somehow. No they won't. The addition of misfits like Cal, Stanford, and SMU made that scenario far less realistic.
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Post by DanMcQ on Aug 25, 2024 0:20:30 GMT -5
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nbhoya
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Post by nbhoya on Aug 25, 2024 7:46:22 GMT -5
They’re going to eventually get it done. It’s probably down to negotiating how bad of a football deal UConn is willing to take.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Aug 25, 2024 8:54:08 GMT -5
If UConn leaves big east the conference better get Gonzaga or some good basketball program or it might not survive.DePaul and Hoyas being irrelevant and pitino leaving in 3-4 years another bad team St. John’s nobody will watch the games. Please just stop. The Big East was relevant before UConn rejoined, and will be if they leave.
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Post by Lethal_Interjection on Aug 25, 2024 9:08:54 GMT -5
Well, just get ball rolling' and send out invites to schools from the AAC & A10 (preferably VCU, Dayton, SLU,Wichita State etc). Cast a wide net to see what institutions are interested in joining the BE.
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Post by SDHoya on Aug 25, 2024 9:45:31 GMT -5
Well, just get ball rolling' and send out invites to schools from the AAC & A10 (preferably VCU, Dayton, SLU,Wichita State etc). Cast a wide net to see what institutions are interested in joining the BE. Figure out how to make Gonzaga work or stay at 10. If/when the ACC collapses there could be a few others who are left out of the football big boys club and are looking to at least keep relevant in basketball.
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Post by hoyaguy on Aug 25, 2024 11:43:50 GMT -5
Well, just get ball rolling' and send out invites to schools from the AAC & A10 (preferably VCU, Dayton, SLU,Wichita State etc). Cast a wide net to see what institutions are interested in joining the BE. Figure out how to make Gonzaga work or stay at 10. If/when the ACC collapses there could be a few others who are left out of the football big boys club and are looking to at least keep relevant in basketball. Exactly my opinion every time this gets brought up. UConn leaving is not certain especially since there does seem to be a real desire from the Big 12 to not get humongous and protect their shares. The BE lived without them once and can again. And the ACC might drop a few decent candidates if the time comes. The Big 12 commissioner has had his sights set on being the best basketball conference for a while. He knows they won’t be even 2nd in football so might as well be the best at the other major sport and can do so undisputedly by gaining UConn and us losing them. But to other football centric programs in the big 12, is that reason enough to have to travel to Connecticut for a mediocre football game?
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Post by kghoya on Aug 25, 2024 12:08:00 GMT -5
Well, just get ball rolling' and send out invites to schools from the AAC & A10 (preferably VCU, Dayton, SLU,Wichita State etc). Cast a wide net to see what institutions are interested in joining the BE. Figure out how to make Gonzaga work or stay at 10. If/when the ACC collapses there could be a few others who are left out of the football big boys club and are looking to at least keep relevant in basketball. Seems like the B12 is a more likely landing spot for Gonzaga.
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Post by coach98 on Aug 25, 2024 13:46:20 GMT -5
x.com/marcdamelio/status/1827755123449454906Marc D'Amelio is not only Charli D'Amelio's father, but one of the top UConn boosters. He runs the D’Amelio Huskies Collective. If he's onboard, then it's a good bet that there is little internal resistance to this move.
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Post by SFOHoya on Aug 25, 2024 19:48:18 GMT -5
Well, just get ball rolling' and send out invites to schools from the AAC & A10 (preferably VCU, Dayton, SLU,Wichita State etc). Cast a wide net to see what institutions are interested in joining the BE. Figure out how to make Gonzaga work or stay at 10. If/when the ACC collapses there could be a few others who are left out of the football big boys club and are looking to at least keep relevant in basketball. This is the way. None of the schools being mentioned are additive to the brand or the product.
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nbhoya
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Post by nbhoya on Aug 25, 2024 20:00:05 GMT -5
Gonzaga will most certainly end up in the B12
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Aug 25, 2024 20:58:03 GMT -5
The Big East did just fine as a conference from 2013-2014 until Connecticut rejoined, and they will do just fine after. Adding teams like St. Louis, Dayton, or VCU makes absolutely no sense when everything is in flux. In ten years, the Big 12 as it's constituted right now will likely not exist, and the ACC as it is today will not either. There will inevitably be schools left out in the cold, and we should be ready to sweep them up.
IF we were going to add teams, other than Gonzaga, VCU and Dayton aren't bad choices, but I still think there's no need.
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Post by 104pleasant on Aug 25, 2024 22:08:05 GMT -5
IF we were going to add teams, other than Gonzaga, VCU and Dayton aren't bad choices, but I still think there's no need. The Big East will stay at 10 teams before adding either VCU or Dayton.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Aug 26, 2024 7:47:04 GMT -5
The main thing it hurts is the BET attendance. UConn fans always packed that. If Gtown gets its act together, we can pull our weight and help with BET attendance again. I can't wait to be relevant and in the draw for a weekend game.
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