bluegray79
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Post by bluegray79 on Feb 27, 2024 22:04:59 GMT -5
too tired to contribute anything tonight, but I will tomorrow.
I will say, though, that a bunch of you guys get all sour and absolutist and nuclear after a bad loss. It's not black and white, gentlemen. We are where we are and it's not pretty, but it's not accurate at all to say we suck, we haven't been good or improved at all this year, or that this season is a bust. Or that the coaches played the portal poorly last year so why even expect anything good this year? Or that there's no culture being fostered here at all since EC arrived. Elements of truth, sure, I guess. But representative of everything that's happened since March? Hardly. Get some sleep, let the bitter taste of a disheartening loss fade a bit. Always harder to let ourselves see what good is there - and there is a good amount of good, enough to hang some hope on -- when we lose another game and lose it the way we did tonight.
Get you all tomorrow.
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astrohoya
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Post by astrohoya on Feb 27, 2024 22:17:34 GMT -5
We are terrible. In other words, we learned nothing.
Next year is on the horizon. By all accounts we will have a very different team.
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beenaround
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Post by beenaround on Feb 27, 2024 22:21:10 GMT -5
Bluegray79, Im often in agreement with your posts. However, I’m sorry to say , in my opinion it is VERY ACCURATE to say we suck, aren’t improved this year and the season IS a bust.
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Post by grokamok on Feb 27, 2024 22:21:44 GMT -5
What did we do as fans to deserve this? What’s the source of our bad karma? Tyler Adams' unreciprocated dunk.
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95hoya
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Post by 95hoya on Feb 27, 2024 22:31:47 GMT -5
Did I read that correctly? Not accurate to say we suck? Well does anyone suck then, everyone must be good!
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TC
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Post by TC on Feb 27, 2024 22:35:58 GMT -5
What's the team's culture or identity? What's been established, that can be built upon next season? These are trap questions. If you'd like me to detail what the culture was before from November 2019-March 2023 and how it has changed, I'd be happy to, but I'm not sure the rest of the board would appreciate that.
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prhoya
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Post by prhoya on Feb 27, 2024 23:13:02 GMT -5
We are terrible. In other words, we learned nothing. Next year is on the horizon. By all accounts we will have a very different team. Once bitten, twice shy. I'll believe it when I see it. The team looked like Ewing was their coach.
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prhoya
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Post by prhoya on Feb 27, 2024 23:51:25 GMT -5
A meeting runs long and tune-in after half as the meeting wrapped up. So Epps really lost his shot this game, other than Styles nobody can score? I see Heath off ball defense doubling a player and leaving a 3 shooter open until he realizes he is in the wrong spot. What has gone well? It looks like a really rough game. More like routine vs. a team not named DePaul...
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astrohoya
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Post by astrohoya on Feb 28, 2024 0:14:53 GMT -5
We are terrible. In other words, we learned nothing. Next year is on the horizon. By all accounts we will have a very different team. Once bitten, twice shy. I'll believe it when I see it. The team looked like Ewing was their coach. PR I actually phrased that neutrally. I didn’t say we’d have a better team, though I am hopeful we will. By all accounts we will have a different roster next year. Different is a neutral term regarding quality.
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prhoya
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Post by prhoya on Feb 28, 2024 0:15:28 GMT -5
Cook has really regressed. He had that little run of decent games, and the last few, nada. He looks dead tired. Given our 9-man roster and Cooley not using Mutombo for a few minutes here and there to give Cook a break, it was bound to happen. It was a Chronicle of a Death Foretold.
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prhoya
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Post by prhoya on Feb 28, 2024 0:23:51 GMT -5
Once bitten, twice shy. I'll believe it when I see it. The team looked like Ewing was their coach. PR I actually phrased that neutrally. I didn’t say we’d have a better team, though I am hopeful we will. By all accounts we will have a different roster next year. Different is a neutral term regarding quality. Gotcha, and I meant that we don't know what we're going to get or to have (player retention). A lot of hope is being put on the off-season again, and it reminds of where we were our last off-season. I'm hopeful too, but don't have the same blind faith on Cooley that I had last year.
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prhoya
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Post by prhoya on Feb 28, 2024 0:31:42 GMT -5
The offense is really stagnant thus far tonight. Very little ball movement. Very little ball movement and very little player movement... is this Cooley's design for our offense? We questioned Ewing when his offense looked exactly like that, so it's fair to question Cooley.
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HoyaFanNY
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Feb 28, 2024 6:51:24 GMT -5
This roster just isn't very good right now. Without quality depth, there's no answers if multiple starters are having bad nights. This isn't a one year rebuild obviously. IMO, this has to come through the recruiting of HS players more than transfers. Transfers can fill holes but I don't think you can build a team around them. The '24 class is a good start. Good depth up front. We need guards!!!
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Post by DanMcQ on Feb 28, 2024 7:58:35 GMT -5
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EtomicB
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Post by EtomicB on Feb 28, 2024 8:04:08 GMT -5
What's the team's culture or identity? What's been established, that can be built upon next season? When I look thru the portal thread every position is called into question. I would love for you to be correct but I'm not seeing it... It's a fair Q. And I think the answer is - Cooley is the culture right now. Year 1 was a punt for all the reasons many have listed and others have disagreed with. No matter where you stand it's been an F year (Cooley called it an F- I believe). But it's essentially behind us. You see it in the parents of players and recruits on social media as well as interviews with future top prospects. Everything is about Cooley and faith in his track record and bringing Gtown back. The question for me becomes with a full year of resources built up and a dedicated staff member to building a plan - will that Cooley Culture turn into a Georgetown culture? Cooley got a pass from me for year 1 no matter the results (and these have tested that resolve). He switched jobs in a national media story manner. And came to a dumpster fire. There was hope for improvement but reality was reality. 5 BE wins was going to be a success. I could care less if it ends up being 2. I now want to see hard evidence of a turning of the corner. For 6M a year, he should be held to a high standard. He needs to check 5 boxes this season 1. Incoming recruiting class. CHECK. 2. Retention of Key players. While no one is untouchable I'd like to see the vast majority of Epps, Styles, Cook, Brumbaugh, Fielder return. 3. Portal Season. 3a. Flash the cash. I want to see the talk be put in action. That doesn't mean frivolous spending. But if we're big budget spending now - we need to land at least 1 stud. And several solid BE level players. 4. Competent Social/Comms overhaul. We don't have to reinvent the wheel - just up our game to D1 standards. 5. Be a competitive BE team on the court next season. At or near .500 in BE play. I agree about Cooley being the culture right now and I'm happy he & his staff are connecting well with recruits & their families but the staff hasn't done a good job connecting with the current players. The year isn't over yet & I hope the staff can find a way to spark them. As for next season, #2 & #4 are keys for me.
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EtomicB
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Post by EtomicB on Feb 28, 2024 8:06:40 GMT -5
What's the team's culture or identity? What's been established, that can be built upon next season? These are trap questions. If you'd like me to detail what the culture was before from November 2019-March 2023 and how it has changed, I'd be happy to, but I'm not sure the rest of the board would appreciate that. Telling us what the culture no longer is is not the same as telling us what it currently is..
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Post by guru on Feb 28, 2024 8:20:02 GMT -5
These are trap questions. If you'd like me to detail what the culture was before from November 2019-March 2023 and how it has changed, I'd be happy to, but I'm not sure the rest of the board would appreciate that. Telling us what the culture no longer is is not the same as telling us what it currently is.. That poster is a disaster. Still thinks it’s March 2023 and blaming everything on Ewing flies. Hoping he gets back to his vigorous defense of the “improvement” in our 3 point defense again soon.
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Post by guru on Feb 28, 2024 8:24:37 GMT -5
Did Ewing’s teams get routinely horsewhipped like this bunch? I honestly have tried to block it all out. My recall is that we were noncompetitive early in many games, and that Ewing kept starters in and the scores sometimes ended up appearing semi-respectable if you hadn't actually seen the game and how poorly the Hoyas played. IOW, lots of stats padding in garbage time. For reference, last season we lost 5 games by 20 or more points, including the final 3 when the wheels really came off the program. This year we have already lost 6 such games. The wheels are not back on the program.
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78HOYA78
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Post by 78HOYA78 on Feb 28, 2024 8:37:23 GMT -5
I believe coaching is about having some type of system and sticking to it, placing players in that system you as the leader feel they will succeed and most contribute to help the team. And by doing so an identity will develop. This is why I'm not understanding what is going on in as AI said "practice". I here many say wait until the Freshman class arrive - however, the Fab Five is not walking through the door. Development is the key.
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TC
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Post by TC on Feb 28, 2024 8:46:39 GMT -5
These are trap questions. If you'd like me to detail what the culture was before from November 2019-March 2023 and how it has changed, I'd be happy to, but I'm not sure the rest of the board would appreciate that. Telling us what the culture no longer is is not the same as telling us what it currently is.. I don't think that's true. What we wanted was improvement this year and there are real signs of improvement there culturewise, and we have to point to where we started. Every one of your criticisms (why aren't we Butler, etc) are coming from the viewpoint that the program is a giant Etch-a-Sketch and that the day Cooley walked in the door that thing got shaken up and erased clean - and he was handed a clear slate instead of a giant turd sandwich.
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