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Post by professorhoya on Jan 10, 2024 0:04:39 GMT -5
We were down 24-8 to the Big East leaders. We didn’t give up and gave them a big scare (that would have severely damaged their NCAA chances)
Bristol is the MVP. His shove of the Seton Hall player to protect Epps sparked the come back.
That 1-2-2 zone with Bristol at the top changed the game. The lineup that was working was: Epps Heath Bristol Stylez Cook/Fielder
Rowan was taking 10-12 dribbles again and got benched. Just wasn’t his night.
Seton Hall was too athletic and physical for Massoud.
But Bristol, Heath, Stylez and Fielder played really well even if it doesn’t show up in the box.
It’s a shame we melted down in the last two minutes (assisted by the major flop by 6-3 240 lbs linebacker Addae-Wusu against Heath 6-2 185 lbs)
They should not have subbed out Bristol for Massoud.
But we gave them a real scare this game and gained their respect and more importantly didn’t quit and that’s something to build on.
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Post by joey0403p on Jan 10, 2024 0:19:39 GMT -5
Listen I’m disappointed in the loss like anyone - but to be honest, it was an enjoyable game. They players looked awful for the first 10 mins or so, but looked really good the rest of the way until the last 3. Sure the guys have their issues, Health and Ish particularly - but heath was better tonight. His D is still comically bad. But it was a fun game to watch - we were in it
A W would have been incredible, but it wasn’t meant to be.
My biggest disappointment was Rowan - he looked really bad and I have high hopes for him. Styles will be ok. But he had a bad game. Epps is what he is - high volume usage player. I wish we wouldn’t walk the ball up the court - we constantly started the O with only 22 seconds or so on the clock. We dribble way to much - and our passes are pathetic at times.
But I tonight we improved tonight. Fingers crossed
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jan 10, 2024 0:23:15 GMT -5
Watching other games on TV tonight I can’t help but think that with another 5,000+ fans in the arena we win this game. With all the talk about the move to Potomac Yards I think the negative effect of playing before 4,000 fans in an 18,000 seat arena has been really underestimated. Not that it matters now, or in the recent past, but going forward we really suffer without that home court advantage Jerry Carino, the Seton hall beat reporter for the Asbury Park Press, said that there were 2,000 in the building. Either way, Capital One Arena is the loneliest Big East arena this side of Chicago. DePaul reported 3,061 for its home game tonight with Creighton, which by prior DePaul counting standards was probably 1,000.
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Post by centercourt400s on Jan 10, 2024 0:40:12 GMT -5
Watching other games on TV tonight I can’t help but think that with another 5,000+ fans in the arena we win this game. With all the talk about the move to Potomac Yards I think the negative effect of playing before 4,000 fans in an 18,000 seat arena has been really underestimated. Not that it matters now, or in the recent past, but going forward we really suffer without that home court advantage Jerry Carino, the Seton hall beat reporter for the Asbury Park Press, said that there were 2,000 in the building. Either way, Capital One Arena is the loneliest Big East arena this side of Chicago. DePaul reported 3,061 for its home game tonight with Creighton, which by prior DePaul counting standards was probably 1,000. Yeah, I'm calling BS on this misinformation. I've been to a large number of sparsely attended Hoyas games over the last few years and this one was better than average by a pretty big margin. It was a late arriving crowd sure, but by halftime the numbers were decent and far above 2000. And for those of you constantly harpring about the crowds, why don't you come and join us instead of uselessly whining about it.
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Post by astrohoya on Jan 10, 2024 0:40:26 GMT -5
Bristol is the MVP. His shove of the Seton Hall player to protect Epps sparked the come back. There is really no evidence of this, but there is clear evidence it cost us two points we could have desperately used at the end. All of you talking about the atmosphere at Cap One, agreed but it’s a moot point. Yes the arena is too big for our school and current program quality but until the school develops another option, and there is no reason to think they will, Cap One is all we have and dreaming of something better is pointless.
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Post by prhoya on Jan 10, 2024 0:48:50 GMT -5
The next two games are sadly essentially write offs, so we could at least experiment a little. Nothing we do seems to stop the parade of layups, and that is a huge red flag for the program. Can we try Mutombo in the middle of a zone with clear instructions to foul hard if his man has him beat? Who cares if we lose again vs UCon? Who cares if he fouls out, but at least a hard-fouling Mutombo, not the sweet swatting Mutombo we have seen so far, might be a deterrent against said parade of layups.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jan 10, 2024 0:56:17 GMT -5
The next two games are sadly essentially write offs, so we could at least experiment a little. Nothing we do seems to stop the parade of layups, and that is a huge red flag for the program. Can we try Mutombo in the middle of a zone with clear instructions to foul hard if his man has him beat? Who cares if he fouls out, but at least a hard-fouling Mutombo, not the sweet Mutombo we have seen, might be a deterrent against said parade of layups. Somehow our guy in the middle of the zone--whoever it is--somehow ends up not in the middle and people get layups anyway. That's the problem. Even if we were super physical when there was contact, if we just let guys waltz in with nobody in a position to even foul, it'll still lead to layups. One way or another, it needs to stop but at this point, I think it'll only be when we get better players next year.
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Post by prhoya on Jan 10, 2024 1:02:52 GMT -5
Can we try Mutombo in the middle of a zone with clear instructions to foul hard if his man has him beat? Who cares if he fouls out, but at least a hard-fouling Mutombo, not the sweet Mutombo we have seen, might be a deterrent against said parade of layups. Somehow our guy in the middle of the zone--whoever it is--somehow ends up not in the middle and people get layups anyway. That's the problem. Even if we were super physical when there was contact, if we just let guys waltz in with nobody in a position to even foul, it'll still lead to layups. One way or another, it needs to stop but at this point, I think it'll only be when we get better players next year. It’s amazing how we don’t have someone in the middle. Please use all the fouls!! Cook… 1 PF Massoud… 1 PF Fielder… 2 PFs Mutombo… DNP Btw, Cook has been spectacular from the FT line.
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Post by iowa80 on Jan 10, 2024 2:20:16 GMT -5
Jerry Carino, the Seton hall beat reporter for the Asbury Park Press, said that there were 2,000 in the building. Either way, Capital One Arena is the loneliest Big East arena this side of Chicago. DePaul reported 3,061 for its home game tonight with Creighton, which by prior DePaul counting standards was probably 1,000. Yeah, I'm calling BS on this misinformation. I've been to a large number of sparsely attended Hoyas games over the last few years and this one was better than average by a pretty big margin. It was a late arriving crowd sure, but by halftime the numbers were decent and far above 2000. And for those of you constantly harpring about the crowds, why don't you come and join us instead of uselessly whining about it. Truth. If you aren’t there, you don’t know.
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Post by SSHoya on Jan 10, 2024 6:11:43 GMT -5
Other than the sluggish start and the horrendous last 3 minutes, I saw improved play which gives me hope for the future. Cooley can coach (and take responsibility when he fails unlike Ewing). He just needs an infusion of talent with a full DI level roster. Next year!!!
Despite the small crowd, it was engaged once we got back into the game and vocal relative to its size.
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Post by daveg023 on Jan 10, 2024 6:21:43 GMT -5
The next two games are sadly essentially write offs, so we could at least experiment a little. Nothing we do seems to stop the parade of layups, and that is a huge red flag for the program. Can we try Mutombo in the middle of a zone with clear instructions to foul hard if his man has him beat? Who cares if we lose again vs UCon? Who cares if he fouls out, but at least a hard-fouling Mutombo, not the sweet swatting Mutombo we have seen so far, might be a deterrent against said parade of layups. I doubt we can zone UConn, they’ll light us up from 3. In fact I remember some chart showing UConn literally only tabes 3’s or layups, ascribing to the analytics view of highest efficiency.
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Post by TC on Jan 10, 2024 6:48:47 GMT -5
Bristol is the MVP. His shove of the Seton Hall player to protect Epps sparked the come back. Bristol was great but the technical was absolutely stupid, Cooley said as much in the post game. Without the tech, it is a tie game with 10 seconds left.
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Post by prhoya on Jan 10, 2024 7:44:05 GMT -5
Can we try Mutombo in the middle of a zone with clear instructions to foul hard if his man has him beat? Who cares if we lose again vs UCon? Who cares if he fouls out, but at least a hard-fouling Mutombo, not the sweet swatting Mutombo we have seen so far, might be a deterrent against said parade of layups. I doubt we can zone UConn, they’ll light us ip from 3. In fact I remember some chart showing UConn literally only tabes 3’s or layups, ascribing to the analytics view of highest efficiency. Agree that UCon is a bad matchup, but also that this roster cannot play them man-to-man for 40 minutes. Cooley has to mix it up on defense to protect the paint and that has to include some Mutombo as a fouling enforcer. We need Cook to play the 25+ mpg he’s playing now so he’s not an option. I get that we’re trying to take away the 3s, but it’s too easy for teams with capable drivers because sometimes the Kente paint looks as empty and wide as a four-lane highway at midnight.
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Post by calhoya on Jan 10, 2024 8:18:47 GMT -5
It was such an ugly first 10 minutes that it says alot about the coach and the players that they were able to collect their composure and rally. Still a hollow feeling after throwing away the game in the final 3 minutes.
This team is not going to win games shooting 28% from deep, particularly when it takes so many bad and contested shots from the perimeter. It's not going to win games with only 11 assists. Need Styles to be more involved in the offense and not just sitting out on the wing hoping for a pass. Need much, much more from Massoud at both ends of the court--he is quickly becoming this year's version of K Rice, a one-trick pony who just jacks up shots from deep.
Hope that last night is evidence of an improving Heath and Fielder. Cook is to be lauded for the improved FT shooting and the effort he shows in rebounding, but the reality is that he is undersized and never going to provide the defense needed for this team to stop the parade of layups that we see each game. Nor is he going to be the offensive threat. Want to see Fielder continue to get significant minutes in the post. Hopefully Rowan bounces back from a poor outing. Bristol is the energizer but he needs to play smarter and under control. Should be blamed for the dumb technical.
Truly appreciate the fact that we have a coach who owns the results after the game and makes adjustments in game in an effort to maximize chances for a win. No sideline paralysis as things start to devolve. It's easy to root for the guy despite all the shortcomings on this team.
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Post by professorhoya on Jan 10, 2024 8:35:17 GMT -5
Bristol is the MVP. His shove of the Seton Hall player to protect Epps sparked the come back. There is really no evidence of this, but there is clear evidence it cost us two points we could have desperately used at the end. All of you talking about the atmosphere at Cap One, agreed but it’s a moot point. Yes the arena is too big for our school and current program quality but until the school develops another option, and there is no reason to think they will, Cap One is all we have and dreaming of something better is pointless. It was 65-64 Hoyas with 2:08 left. Bristol was not part of -any meltdown after that. Kind of twisted to blame him for the loss.
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Post by professorhoya on Jan 10, 2024 8:38:17 GMT -5
Can we try Mutombo in the middle of a zone with clear instructions to foul hard if his man has him beat? Who cares if we lose again vs UCon? Who cares if he fouls out, but at least a hard-fouling Mutombo, not the sweet swatting Mutombo we have seen so far, might be a deterrent against said parade of layups. I doubt we can zone UConn, they’ll light us up from 3. In fact I remember some chart showing UConn literally only tabes 3’s or layups, ascribing to the analytics view of highest efficiency. Cam Spenser is automatic from 3 if open. He has to be guarded man to man.
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Post by professorhoya on Jan 10, 2024 8:44:33 GMT -5
Bristol is the MVP. His shove of the Seton Hall player to protect Epps sparked the come back. Bristol was great but the technical was absolutely stupid, Cooley said as much in the post game. Without the tech, it is a tie game with 10 seconds left. It was 24-10 when Bristol showed some emotion and fire with the push to defend his teammate. That was the slap in the face the team needed to wake up. Three minutes later it was 29-27 when Bristol made the layup to bring it within two.
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Post by TC on Jan 10, 2024 9:29:10 GMT -5
Bristol was great but the technical was absolutely stupid, Cooley said as much in the post game. Without the tech, it is a tie game with 10 seconds left. It was 24-10 when Bristol showed some emotion and fire with the push to defend his teammate. That was the slap in the face the team needed to wake up. Three minutes later it was 29-27 when Bristol made the layup to bring it within two. OK, so it would have been tie game then if not for the tech.
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Post by astrohoya on Jan 10, 2024 9:33:46 GMT -5
There is really no evidence of this, but there is clear evidence it cost us two points we could have desperately used at the end. All of you talking about the atmosphere at Cap One, agreed but it’s a moot point. Yes the arena is too big for our school and current program quality but until the school develops another option, and there is no reason to think they will, Cap One is all we have and dreaming of something better is pointless. It was 65-64 Hoyas with 2:08 left. Bristol was not part of -any meltdown after that. Kind of twisted to blame him for the loss. I did not “blame Bristol for the loss”. I just pointed out that play, which another poster thought was the best play of the game for us, cost us two points we really needed. Bristol did a lot positive in this game, but that one play was a mistake we could not afford. It certainly was not the reason we came back, which is what I was responding to.
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Post by HometownHoya on Jan 10, 2024 10:23:55 GMT -5
Watching other games on TV tonight I can’t help but think that with another 5,000+ fans in the arena we win this game. With all the talk about the move to Potomac Yards I think the negative effect of playing before 4,000 fans in an 18,000 seat arena has been really underestimated. Not that it matters now, or in the recent past, but going forward we really suffer without that home court advantage We should play on campus it would be less embarrassing on national tv. At least it would look and sound full Do you remember the NIT a few years back in McD? It totally looks embarrassing on national TV. The camera angles and view of the court look like a high school gymnasium. Other then early OOC against 300 level teams, it's a non-starter unless we get a renovation. Agreed with others that the crowd was decent last night, especially as the team heated up. Obviously it would have helped to have another 10k fans in there.
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