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Post by guru on Mar 10, 2024 11:31:51 GMT -5
FWIW I live in PA. Understand that there are 6 levels in PIAA basketball and 5A is one from the top. A kid with Sorber's size should dominate at the 5A level. I've been to three 6A state tourney games and haven't seen any high D1 level talent yet. In short, I wouldn't get too excited about whatever Sorber does for the remainder of the tourney. In fact I'd be a little concerned if he didn't get his team to at least the state championship game. "Thomas Sorber dominated EYBL, but we really should be worried about whatever nonsense happens in the PA tourney because of competition levels" is certainly a take, but it's an absolutely terrible one. Thanks for the analysis, Simon Cowell. Get a life.
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Post by Elvado on Mar 10, 2024 12:09:00 GMT -5
To amplify a previous post
Sorber had 23 and 12 in the win vs Roman
He had 16, 8 rebs, 3 blocks and three assists in the PCL final loss
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Post by drquigley on Mar 11, 2024 9:31:24 GMT -5
I’m sorry if I upset some with my warning that Sorber might not be the big man we’ve been praying for. The reason for my warning was the “irrational exuberance” that preceded the signing of our last big man messiah RM (I suggest we all go back and read the comments posted on this Board). All I’m trying to point out, as someone who’s been watching PIAA basketball for 40 years, is that there is a significant drop off in talent between PIAA 5A and 6A schools. This is especially true among big men. A quality 6’10” big man is extremely rare outside of the usual basketball “academies”. Therefore I’m just trying to warn that Sorbers high school numbers should be taken with a grain of salt.
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Post by bigskyhoya on Mar 11, 2024 9:46:12 GMT -5
I’m sorry if I upset some with my warning that Sorber might not be the big man we’ve been praying for. The reason for my warning was the “irrational exuberance” that preceded the signing of our last big man messiah RM (I suggest we all go back and read the comments posted on this Board). All I’m trying to point out, as someone who’s been watching PIAA basketball for 40 years, is that there is a significant drop off in talent between PIAA 5A and 6A schools. This is especially true among big men. A quality 6’10” big man is extremely rare outside of the usual basketball “academies”. Therefore I’m just trying to warn that Sorbers high school numbers should be taken with a grain of salt. I don’t have the institutional knowledge of some here but didn’t Otto Porter play weak competition in high school?
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Post by hoyariv71 on Mar 11, 2024 11:25:03 GMT -5
Drquigley I truly am just curious on your thoughts,Cook averaged 10pts 8 rebs .5 blocks a game shooting 58%, what would you predict for Sorber in his first year? I’m saying 14pts 8rebs 1.5 blocks a game while shooting mid 50%.
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Post by sweetness on Mar 11, 2024 11:37:01 GMT -5
Whatever numbers Sorber puts up in this tourney are irrelevant. He's already proven himself to be a high level recruit and a great fit for what we need going forward.
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Post by hibernatinghoyafan on Mar 11, 2024 12:25:35 GMT -5
I’m sorry if I upset some with my warning that Sorber might not be the big man we’ve been praying for. The reason for my warning was the “irrational exuberance” that preceded the signing of our last big man messiah RM (I suggest we all go back and read the comments posted on this Board). All I’m trying to point out, as someone who’s been watching PIAA basketball for 40 years, is that there is a significant drop off in talent between PIAA 5A and 6A schools. This is especially true among big men. A quality 6’10” big man is extremely rare outside of the usual basketball “academies”. Therefore I’m just trying to warn that Sorbers high school numbers should be taken with a grain of salt. I think we can take comfort based off his AAU performances against top big men and his performances at top camps where he was consistently named a top performer. Understand the high school basketball scene he plays in might not be great but I do think that type of environment can actually be really beneficial for players on the cusp of being “elite” because it teaches them how to dominate and be the man. I’d rather Thomas have the margin of error to try and develop and I think someone like McClung is great proof of that environment working.
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Post by drquigley on Mar 11, 2024 13:50:08 GMT -5
I’m sorry if I upset some with my warning that Sorber might not be the big man we’ve been praying for. The reason for my warning was the “irrational exuberance” that preceded the signing of our last big man messiah RM (I suggest we all go back and read the comments posted on this Board). All I’m trying to point out, as someone who’s been watching PIAA basketball for 40 years, is that there is a significant drop off in talent between PIAA 5A and 6A schools. This is especially true among big men. A quality 6’10” big man is extremely rare outside of the usual basketball “academies”. Therefore I’m just trying to warn that Sorbers high school numbers should be taken with a grain of salt. I think we can take comfort based off his AAU performances against top big men and his performances at top camps where he was consistently named a top performer. Understand the high school basketball scene he plays in might not be great but I do think that type of environment can actually be really beneficial for players on the cusp of being “elite” because it teaches them how to dominate and be the man. I’d rather Thomas have the margin of error to try and develop and I think someone like McClung is great proof of that environment working. I'm glad Sorber has done well in AAU performances but what scares me about big men who come from weak high school programs is they have a hard time adjusting to the physicality of D1 basketball. It's easy to feel good about yourself if you're over 6'10" and playing against guys who are rarely over 6'5". Plus you're weaknesses are never really going to be tested in that setting. I hate to pick on RM but clearly he is the poster boy for this phenomenon. Hey, as been pointed out great players have come out of small towns and small schools so I'll join the chorus and hope that Sorber becomes the rim protector we need. Just don't be shocked when he's still on the bench after 5-6 OOC early season games and is averaging less than 2 minutes a game come next February.
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Post by bigskyhoya on Mar 11, 2024 13:56:40 GMT -5
I think we can take comfort based off his AAU performances against top big men and his performances at top camps where he was consistently named a top performer. Understand the high school basketball scene he plays in might not be great but I do think that type of environment can actually be really beneficial for players on the cusp of being “elite” because it teaches them how to dominate and be the man. I’d rather Thomas have the margin of error to try and develop and I think someone like McClung is great proof of that environment working. I'm glad Sorber has done well in AAU performances but what scares me about big men who come from weak high school programs is they have a hard time adjusting to the physicality of D1 basketball. It's easy to feel good about yourself if you're over 6'10" and playing against guys who are rarely over 6'5". Plus you're weaknesses are never really going to be tested in that setting. I hate to pick on RM but clearly he is the poster boy for this phenomenon. Hey, as been pointed out great players have come out of small towns and small schools so I'll join the chorus and hope that Sorber becomes the rim protector we need. Just don't be shocked when he's still on the bench after 5-6 OOC early season games and is averaging less than 2 minutes a game come next February. If Cook is our only big man next year I will be shocked if Sorber doesn't get significantly more time than that. Now if they land a few capable bigs in the portal that could change, but less than 2 minutes.... I would still be shocked.
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Post by hoyasaxa18 on Mar 11, 2024 14:16:52 GMT -5
I think we can take comfort based off his AAU performances against top big men and his performances at top camps where he was consistently named a top performer. Understand the high school basketball scene he plays in might not be great but I do think that type of environment can actually be really beneficial for players on the cusp of being “elite” because it teaches them how to dominate and be the man. I’d rather Thomas have the margin of error to try and develop and I think someone like McClung is great proof of that environment working. I'm glad Sorber has done well in AAU performances but what scares me about big men who come from weak high school programs is they have a hard time adjusting to the physicality of D1 basketball. It's easy to feel good about yourself if you're over 6'10" and playing against guys who are rarely over 6'5". Plus you're weaknesses are never really going to be tested in that setting. I hate to pick on RM but clearly he is the poster boy for this phenomenon. Hey, as been pointed out great players have come out of small towns and small schools so I'll join the chorus and hope that Sorber becomes the rim protector we need. Just don't be shocked when he's still on the bench after 5-6 OOC early season games and is averaging less than 2 minutes a game come next February. I would not call Sorber's high school program weak. The Philly Catholic League is one of the best HS leagues in the country outside of national programs like Montverde, and his performance has been consistently outstanding in that league. There is a 0% chance, barring injury, that he's playing less than 2 minutes per game at any point next season.
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Post by dense on Mar 11, 2024 14:25:27 GMT -5
I think we can take comfort based off his AAU performances against top big men and his performances at top camps where he was consistently named a top performer. Understand the high school basketball scene he plays in might not be great but I do think that type of environment can actually be really beneficial for players on the cusp of being “elite” because it teaches them how to dominate and be the man. I’d rather Thomas have the margin of error to try and develop and I think someone like McClung is great proof of that environment working. I'm glad Sorber has done well in AAU performances but what scares me about big men who come from weak high school programs is they have a hard time adjusting to the physicality of D1 basketball. It's easy to feel good about yourself if you're over 6'10" and playing against guys who are rarely over 6'5". Plus you're weaknesses are never really going to be tested in that setting. I hate to pick on RM but clearly he is the poster boy for this phenomenon. Hey, as been pointed out great players have come out of small towns and small schools so I'll join the chorus and hope that Sorber becomes the rim protector we need. Just don't be shocked when he's still on the bench after 5-6 OOC early season games and is averaging less than 2 minutes a game come next February. I don't think he is gonna play more than 20mpg next year but 2? I think this assessment is coming without seeing him play. His skill level is way above RM as a prep player. He is borderline 5 star. He played against the #1 player for 2025 and played him well defensively after the weight loss. He is a stud but I don't think Cooley will rely on him to be the only big.
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Post by thedragon on Mar 11, 2024 16:13:19 GMT -5
I think we can take comfort based off his AAU performances against top big men and his performances at top camps where he was consistently named a top performer. Understand the high school basketball scene he plays in might not be great but I do think that type of environment can actually be really beneficial for players on the cusp of being “elite” because it teaches them how to dominate and be the man. I’d rather Thomas have the margin of error to try and develop and I think someone like McClung is great proof of that environment working. I'm glad Sorber has done well in AAU performances but what scares me about big men who come from weak high school programs is they have a hard time adjusting to the physicality of D1 basketball. It's easy to feel good about yourself if you're over 6'10" and playing against guys who are rarely over 6'5". Plus you're weaknesses are never really going to be tested in that setting. I hate to pick on RM but clearly he is the poster boy for this phenomenon. Hey, as been pointed out great players have come out of small towns and small schools so I'll join the chorus and hope that Sorber becomes the rim protector we need. Just don't be shocked when he's still on the bench after 5-6 OOC early season games and is averaging less than 2 minutes a game come next February. I think you will look back at this post and chuckle.
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Post by dariantownesvanzandt on Mar 11, 2024 16:27:01 GMT -5
I'm pretty conservative when it comes to Sorber's production next year, but yeah... he's not sitting unless we add Alcindor & Walton.
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Post by drquigley on Mar 11, 2024 16:48:12 GMT -5
I'm glad Sorber has done well in AAU performances but what scares me about big men who come from weak high school programs is they have a hard time adjusting to the physicality of D1 basketball. It's easy to feel good about yourself if you're over 6'10" and playing against guys who are rarely over 6'5". Plus you're weaknesses are never really going to be tested in that setting. I hate to pick on RM but clearly he is the poster boy for this phenomenon. Hey, as been pointed out great players have come out of small towns and small schools so I'll join the chorus and hope that Sorber becomes the rim protector we need. Just don't be shocked when he's still on the bench after 5-6 OOC early season games and is averaging less than 2 minutes a game come next February. I think you will look back at this post and chuckle. Believe me no one would be happier than I if Sorber becomes an immediate contributor.
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Post by jwp91 on Mar 11, 2024 17:27:23 GMT -5
I expect an immediate contribution in rim protection and moving the ball to open shooters both of which will dramatically improve our defense and offense respectively. The rest will be gravy.
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Post by hoyarooter on Mar 11, 2024 20:18:39 GMT -5
I think we can take comfort based off his AAU performances against top big men and his performances at top camps where he was consistently named a top performer. Understand the high school basketball scene he plays in might not be great but I do think that type of environment can actually be really beneficial for players on the cusp of being “elite” because it teaches them how to dominate and be the man. I’d rather Thomas have the margin of error to try and develop and I think someone like McClung is great proof of that environment working. I'm glad Sorber has done well in AAU performances but what scares me about big men who come from weak high school programs is they have a hard time adjusting to the physicality of D1 basketball. It's easy to feel good about yourself if you're over 6'10" and playing against guys who are rarely over 6'5". Plus you're weaknesses are never really going to be tested in that setting. I hate to pick on RM but clearly he is the poster boy for this phenomenon. Hey, as been pointed out great players have come out of small towns and small schools so I'll join the chorus and hope that Sorber becomes the rim protector we need. Just don't be shocked when he's still on the bench after 5-6 OOC early season games and is averaging less than 2 minutes a game come next February. This is an extraordinarily low bar, and I will be very surprised if Sorber doesn't easily exceed it.
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Post by dense on Mar 12, 2024 20:40:56 GMT -5
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Post by dense on Mar 13, 2024 3:56:20 GMT -5
Some good moments that show he can be a 4 on the college level in this game. Hit a open 3. Handled in the open court and had to guard several 6-2 players in the open court although one was getting good 15fters off in iso.
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Post by jwp91 on Mar 13, 2024 16:59:53 GMT -5
Something that occurred to me. ..both Fielder and Sorber are plus passers. If they were to play 4/5 together, that skill should translate to feeding the post..with the size to see over the defense.
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Post by prhoya on Mar 13, 2024 17:22:26 GMT -5
Something that occurred to me. ..both Fielder and Sorber are plus passers. If they were to play 4/5 together, that skill should translate to feeding the post..with the size to see over the defense. Or they could feed the 3-pt shooters…
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