saxagael
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Post by saxagael on Apr 13, 2023 11:01:50 GMT -5
None of these guys were hall of famers in college, they became hall of famers, but nobody is dumb enough to think a college player is compared to a pro hall of famer player. That is delusional. Comparing college player to college player at the same stage, that is what is what I'm talking about. All had good court vision and accurate passing, with ball skills. Nash could shoot and the play making came later. There are quite a few good college players at point that don't progress and keep improving. That is up to the player and coaching. Most good point guards sit their first year. Villanova, Gonzaga, Virginia, St. Mary's, etc. all pretty much red shirt point guards the first year as it is an adjustment and a tough position. Hoyas haven't had a really good point guard since Terrel left. Watching Aiden at St. Mary's this year has been nuts as he didn't sit out a year and has poise and great court vision. Aiden is a better outside shooter than Rowan, but the rest of their games are really close. Which Nova or Virginia PG's sat their 1st years? I hope you're right about RB. For UVA from Brogdon to up to Morsell early all PGs redshirted. Morsell was the first to not only not redshirt but start. Villanova has long leaned on redshirting, the 2017 team had six players on it who had redshirted. Ryan Arch and Brunson didn't redshirt. Gillespie came in knowing he would be a redshirt, but early his freshman year Wright changed course and started playing Gillespie as he got around 14 mpg. Under Wright gaurd in discussion with Villanova were informed they would be redshirting, but learning and getting mentored. Pretty much the same for UVA. But, this also comes up in NCAA tournament backgrounds on the teams that tend to redshirt a lot. Over the last 10 years or so team that go deep in the tournament tend to have two traits: their teams are not one-and-done but more mature and have played together as a team for a couple years, and they have redshirt point guards.This is very different from the prior 15 to 20 years of one-and-done ruling the sweet 16. Pandemic made things odd as there is more redshirting than normal because of the additional year of eligibility college players got, things got backed-up like mad in many programs, like Richmond who had their whole freshman class redshirt a year ago. There are quite a few articles on Villanova and how they heavily redshirted under Jay Wright, with many of them ending up in the NBA.
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95hoya
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Post by 95hoya on Apr 13, 2023 11:23:22 GMT -5
Morsell is definitely not a point guard. Never was.
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saxagael
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Post by saxagael on Apr 13, 2023 11:54:10 GMT -5
Morsell is definitely not a point guard. Never was. You are correct. Trying to dig back through who was a UVA redshirt at PG an article on Casey poppoed up and mentioned he was the first guard to start as a freshman at UVA and also not redshirt. The piece stated the the point guards from Brogdon onward redshirted. Casey was around Kenner the summer he started getting heavy interest (not playing but in the stands) and PE Jr was chatting with he and his family many weekends. But, a couple people asked him about Virginia and he said he had interest, but didn't want to redshirt.
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 13, 2023 12:38:55 GMT -5
Which Nova or Virginia PG's sat their 1st years? I hope you're right about RB. For UVA from Brogdon to up to Morsell early all PGs redshirted. Morsell was the first to not only not redshirt but start. Villanova has long leaned on redshirting, the 2017 team had six players on it who had redshirted. Ryan Arch and Brunson didn't redshirt. Gillespie came in knowing he would be a redshirt, but early his freshman year Wright changed course and started playing Gillespie as he got around 14 mpg. Under Wright gaurd in discussion with Villanova were informed they would be redshirting, but learning and getting mentored. Pretty much the same for UVA. But, this also comes up in NCAA tournament backgrounds on the teams that tend to redshirt a lot. Over the last 10 years or so team that go deep in the tournament tend to have two traits: their teams are not one-and-done but more mature and have played together as a team for a couple years, and they have redshirt point guards.This is very different from the prior 15 to 20 years of one-and-done ruling the sweet 16. Pandemic made things odd as there is more redshirting than normal because of the additional year of eligibility college players got, things got backed-up like mad in many programs, like Richmond who had their whole freshman class redshirt a year ago. There are quite a few articles on Villanova and how they heavily redshirted under Jay Wright, with many of them ending up in the NBA. Brogdon wasn't a PG & he RS'd due to injury. Pretty much the same goes for all of the top players who sat for Nova(Spellman, Divencenzo, Booth, Paschall) did so due to injury or academics or transfer. Only Bridges RS'd for development
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Post by bornhoya on Apr 13, 2023 14:06:29 GMT -5
For UVA from Brogdon to up to Morsell early all PGs redshirted. Morsell was the first to not only not redshirt but start. Villanova has long leaned on redshirting, the 2017 team had six players on it who had redshirted. Ryan Arch and Brunson didn't redshirt. Gillespie came in knowing he would be a redshirt, but early his freshman year Wright changed course and started playing Gillespie as he got around 14 mpg. Under Wright gaurd in discussion with Villanova were informed they would be redshirting, but learning and getting mentored. Pretty much the same for UVA. But, this also comes up in NCAA tournament backgrounds on the teams that tend to redshirt a lot. Over the last 10 years or so team that go deep in the tournament tend to have two traits: their teams are not one-and-done but more mature and have played together as a team for a couple years, and they have redshirt point guards.This is very different from the prior 15 to 20 years of one-and-done ruling the sweet 16. Pandemic made things odd as there is more redshirting than normal because of the additional year of eligibility college players got, things got backed-up like mad in many programs, like Richmond who had their whole freshman class redshirt a year ago. There are quite a few articles on Villanova and how they heavily redshirted under Jay Wright, with many of them ending up in the NBA. Brogdon wasn't a PG & he RS'd due to injury. Pretty much the same goes for all of the top players who sat for Nova(Spellman, Divencenzo, Booth, Paschall) did so due to injury or academics or transfer. Only Bridges RS'd for development Yea UVA last two PG’s start for 4 and 5 years
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saxagael
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Post by saxagael on Apr 13, 2023 19:02:09 GMT -5
For UVA from Brogdon to up to Morsell early all PGs redshirted. Morsell was the first to not only not redshirt but start. Villanova has long leaned on redshirting, the 2017 team had six players on it who had redshirted. Ryan Arch and Brunson didn't redshirt. Gillespie came in knowing he would be a redshirt, but early his freshman year Wright changed course and started playing Gillespie as he got around 14 mpg. Under Wright gaurd in discussion with Villanova were informed they would be redshirting, but learning and getting mentored. Pretty much the same for UVA. But, this also comes up in NCAA tournament backgrounds on the teams that tend to redshirt a lot. Over the last 10 years or so team that go deep in the tournament tend to have two traits: their teams are not one-and-done but more mature and have played together as a team for a couple years, and they have redshirt point guards.This is very different from the prior 15 to 20 years of one-and-done ruling the sweet 16. Pandemic made things odd as there is more redshirting than normal because of the additional year of eligibility college players got, things got backed-up like mad in many programs, like Richmond who had their whole freshman class redshirt a year ago. There are quite a few articles on Villanova and how they heavily redshirted under Jay Wright, with many of them ending up in the NBA. Brogdon wasn't a PG & he RS'd due to injury. Pretty much the same goes for all of the top players who sat for Nova(Spellman, Divencenzo, Booth, Paschall) did so due to injury or academics or transfer. Only Bridges RS'd for development Thanks. The site I used to look up teams and player status went away during pandemic, but it never listed the reason for a redshirt. I know the teams going deep in the tournament since about 2015 that have redshirts and teams that have played together 2+ years have been on equal footing to the blue-bloods with one and done status.
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Post by jackofjoy on Apr 13, 2023 21:34:29 GMT -5
Well, is Brumbaugh at least on par with Matt Causey?
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Post by TC on Apr 14, 2023 8:13:50 GMT -5
Well, is Brumbaugh at least on par with Matt Causey? Has he had three knee surgeries already? If not, I think we're good on that comparison.
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Post by wolveribe on Apr 14, 2023 10:15:12 GMT -5
Not commenting on how good Rowan is, but pointing out that it was his decision to redshirt. Apparently Beard told him he would play a few minutes per game and Rowan decided that redshirting was a better option.
Texas backcourt was stacked.
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Post by bluechi on Apr 14, 2023 10:17:12 GMT -5
Well, is Brumbaugh at least on par with Matt Causey? Causey was a beast tho injuries
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Post by hoyas315 on Apr 25, 2023 14:46:43 GMT -5
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Post by dense on Apr 25, 2023 14:51:32 GMT -5
Can't wait to have an actual PG who can shoot and is a great passer again.
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Post by iowa80 on Apr 25, 2023 18:21:57 GMT -5
Well, is Brumbaugh at least on par with Matt Causey? Causey was a beast tho injuries True, but we never really knew him and then he left. I am, however, guessing that Brumbaugh will exceed Kurt Kaull in production.
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Post by SSHoya on Apr 25, 2023 20:03:05 GMT -5
Causey was a beast tho injuries True, but we never really knew him and then he left. I am, however, guessing that Brumbaugh will exceed Kurt Kaull in production. As long as he is better than Terry Fenlon. . or Mike McDermott for that matter.
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hoyaguy
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Post by hoyaguy on Apr 25, 2023 20:37:09 GMT -5
Can't wait to have an actual PG who can shoot and is a great passer again. Yeah all of the me-ball was gonna eventually give me an aneurysm
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Post by hoya73 on Apr 26, 2023 10:23:45 GMT -5
True, but we never really knew him and then he left. I am, however, guessing that Brumbaugh will exceed Kurt Kaull in production. As long as he is better than Terry Fenlon. . or Mike McDermott for that matter. Because we can only compare him to white players? Gimme a pre-injury Fred Brown. I dream big.
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Post by SSHoya on Apr 26, 2023 11:08:03 GMT -5
As long as he is better than Terry Fenlon. . or Mike McDermott for that matter. Because we can only compare him to white players? Gimme a pre-injury Fred Brown. I dream big. Yup!
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Post by DanMcQ on May 6, 2023 18:57:51 GMT -5
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Post by MCIGuy on Jun 10, 2023 8:01:24 GMT -5
Rowan highlights don’t start until 2:08
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Post by hoyaboya on Jun 10, 2023 9:19:04 GMT -5
Rowan highlights don’t start until 2:08 Zero defense being played in that exhibition game, hard to pull much out of those highlights other than Brumbaugh can barely dunk. Fortunately, athleticism is not a big part of his game driving his success.
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