CTHoya08
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Post by CTHoya08 on Aug 26, 2023 11:47:12 GMT -5
Please explain to the uneducated why it doesn’t make sense. Why would Sorber want to give up his senior year of high school, and burn a year of college eligibility to boot, to join the team halfway through what is going to be a rebuilding year? Why would the Hoyas want to rush him along for that? |
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Post by thedragon on Aug 26, 2023 12:13:35 GMT -5
I remember when Cooley first was at Providence. They had a very small team and just played harder than everyone and were semi-succesful. I'd argue the talent on this team is better than those first Cooley Providence teams. I feel he'll play small ball and really concentrate on upping the defensive intensity to get results. We have 2 bigs and a 6-8 Frosh who can shoot from the perimeter. He is gonna use that to open the floor for Heath and Epps to drive. I’d like to hear those arguments Dense, his early teams had established college players like Cotton, Batts & Council, young players like Henton & Dunn. Cotton averaged 4/1/.5 as a freshman before Cooley got there. They lost their leading scorer and by far best player from Keno Davis' final season in Marshon Brooks. Henton was an unranked 3 star prospect. Dunn (a 5 star) didnt come til year 2 of the Cooley era (sound familiar?). Batts averaged 6 and 4 in Cooleys 1st year. Council was the lone upperclassmen bright spot in a similar ilk to Heath. I'd say Dense was a lot more spot on than you're giving him credit for. |
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Post by TC on Aug 26, 2023 12:51:40 GMT -5
Please explain to the uneducated why it doesn’t make sense. Because he's in high school and has explicitly said he's not reclassing? Are you confused between Sorber and McKenna? |
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Post by dense on Aug 26, 2023 13:10:52 GMT -5
I’d like to hear those arguments Dense, his early teams had established college players like Cotton, Batts & Council, young players like Henton & Dunn. Cotton averaged 4/1/.5 as a freshman before Cooley got there. They lost their leading scorer and by far best player from Keno Davis' final season in Marshon Brooks. Henton was an unranked 3 star prospect. Dunn (a 5 star) didnt come til year 2 of the Cooley era (sound familiar?). Batts averaged 6 and 4 in Cooleys 1st year. Council was the lone upperclassmen bright spot in a similar ilk to Heath. I'd say Dense was a lot more spot on than you're giving him credit for. Exactly and he put the ball in Cotton's hands and let him create. I think Epps will have a similar leach. |
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Post by prhoya on Aug 26, 2023 13:49:11 GMT -5
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Post by EtomicB on Aug 26, 2023 14:15:16 GMT -5
I’d like to hear those arguments Dense, his early teams had established college players like Cotton, Batts & Council, young players like Henton & Dunn. Cotton averaged 4/1/.5 as a freshman before Cooley got there. They lost their leading scorer and by far best player from Keno Davis' final season in Marshon Brooks. Henton was an unranked 3 star prospect. Dunn (a 5 star) didnt come til year 2 of the Cooley era (sound familiar?). Batts averaged 6 and 4 in Cooleys 1st year. Council was the lone upperclassmen bright spot in a similar ilk to Heath. I'd say Dense was a lot more spot on than you're giving him credit for. Dense actually stated Cooley's "early" teams in his initial post, not his 1st team alone. I do like your sleight of hand in listing Henton's ranking coming out of HS as opposed to his stats of 14pts & 8.5 boards per game as a freshman. |
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Post by EasyEd on Aug 26, 2023 16:24:31 GMT -5
Please explain to the uneducated why it doesn’t make sense. Because he's in high school and has explicitly said he's not reclassing? Are you confused between Sorber and McKenna? No. Are you? |
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Post by thedragon on Aug 26, 2023 16:38:49 GMT -5
Cotton averaged 4/1/.5 as a freshman before Cooley got there. They lost their leading scorer and by far best player from Keno Davis' final season in Marshon Brooks. Henton was an unranked 3 star prospect. Dunn (a 5 star) didnt come til year 2 of the Cooley era (sound familiar?). Batts averaged 6 and 4 in Cooleys 1st year. Council was the lone upperclassmen bright spot in a similar ilk to Heath. I'd say Dense was a lot more spot on than you're giving him credit for. Dense actually stated Cooley's "early" teams in his initial post, not his 1st team alone. I do like your sleight of hand in listing Henton's ranking coming out of HS as opposed to his stats of 14pts & 8.5 boards per game as a freshman. Sleight of hand? You touted his early recruits. I was attempting to show that his recruiting efforts and roster so far are not all that different at least in terms of roster building (keeping in mind that transfers obviously weren't the same back in 2011). What's to say Drew Fielder doesn't breakout for 14 and 8 a game? Unlikely - but probably just as probable as Henton doing so was his freshman year. The point is that you shot down someone's perfectly reasonable assessment, imo, incorrectly. |
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Post by EtomicB on Aug 26, 2023 18:04:02 GMT -5
Dense actually stated Cooley's "early" teams in his initial post, not his 1st team alone. I do like your sleight of hand in listing Henton's ranking coming out of HS as opposed to his stats of 14pts & 8.5 boards per game as a freshman. Sleight of hand? You touted his early recruits. I was attempting to show that his recruiting efforts and roster so far are not all that different at least in terms of roster building (keeping in mind that transfers obviously weren't the same back in 2011). What's to say Drew Fielder doesn't breakout for 14 and 8 a game? Unlikely - but probably just as probable as Henton doing so was his freshman year. The point is that you shot down someone's perfectly reasonable assessment, imo, incorrectly. I didn't tout his early recruits, I brought up the young players he had on his early teams. The conversation in my view had nothing to do with recruiting efforts, it was a comparison of his early teams @ PC and the current roster he has now @ Gtown. That is why I stated you were using sleight of hand when listing his rankings in HS instead of his production as a frosh & Soph. For the record, I'd love for Fielder to be a high contributor similar to Henton or Epps to make Cotton type leap next season. Lastly, I don't think I shot Dense down, I asked him to actually make the talent comparison argument he thought could be made.. |
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Post by hibernatinghoyafan on Aug 26, 2023 19:57:18 GMT -5
Assuming Grant is a competent mid major player then we’ve got 11 guys (with McKenna). Would love at least 1 more given well only play 8ish guys significant minutes.
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Post by professorhoya on Aug 26, 2023 21:25:54 GMT -5
Cotton averaged 4/1/.5 as a freshman before Cooley got there. They lost their leading scorer and by far best player from Keno Davis' final season in Marshon Brooks. Henton was an unranked 3 star prospect. Dunn (a 5 star) didnt come til year 2 of the Cooley era (sound familiar?). Batts averaged 6 and 4 in Cooleys 1st year. Council was the lone upperclassmen bright spot in a similar ilk to Heath. I'd say Dense was a lot more spot on than you're giving him credit for. Dense actually stated Cooley's "early" teams in his initial post, not his 1st team alone. I do like your sleight of hand in listing Henton's ranking coming out of HS as opposed to his stats of 14pts & 8.5 boards per game as a freshman. “Sleight of hand” Can you ever have a respectful conversation. |
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Post by 617hoya on Aug 27, 2023 14:06:19 GMT -5
Please explain to the uneducated why it doesn’t make sense. If you are Thomas Sorber, and hypothetically you WERE thinking of reclassing early, you would do so in the summer so you would be able to have a summer of development with your new college team. Having him come in halfway through the year would hurt his development and would also come in the thick of his HS basketball schedule. He wouldn’t abandon his guys halfway through the year as a senior. None of it makes sense, in short. |
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Post by prhoya on Aug 27, 2023 14:15:04 GMT -5
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Post by dariantownesvanzandt on Aug 27, 2023 20:11:58 GMT -5
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Post by hsaxon on Aug 27, 2023 20:16:25 GMT -5
Please explain to the uneducated why it doesn’t make sense. Why would Sorber want to give up his senior year of high school, and burn a year of college eligibility to boot, to join the team halfway through what is going to be a rebuilding year? Why would the Hoyas want to rush him along for that? I strongly agree. |
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Post by hsaxon on Aug 27, 2023 20:17:09 GMT -5
Wasn't Muresan supposed to be back this year? If so, what happened? |
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Post by hsaxon on Aug 27, 2023 20:17:52 GMT -5
Please explain to the uneducated why it doesn’t make sense. If you are Thomas Sorber, and hypothetically you WERE thinking of reclassing early, you would do so in the summer so you would be able to have a summer of development with your new college team. Having him come in halfway through the year would hurt his development and would also come in the thick of his HS basketball schedule. He wouldn’t abandon his guys halfway through the year as a senior. None of it makes sense, in short. Strongly agree. |
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Post by hsaxon on Aug 27, 2023 20:22:47 GMT -5
Akok was a good shotblocker and a theoretical floor stretcher. I think under Cooley, he could have been a pretty good piece. But that said, he wasn't a real rim protector -- blocked shots, but no one was scared of him. He had no bulk, disappeared for whole games at a time, and his shot always looked better than it was. I'd rather he be on the team, but we've got like 12 pages of discussion about whether Mutombo or Fielder has bulk which all seems kind of pointless when Akok didn't have that either. Cook is going to start at C, most likely. And he can fight. Mutombo and others will fill in. It's not going to be a strength, but I think we're going to have bigger issues than that. Lots of college teams work around a weak center or a stretch 5, etc. Akok was a lot better than Ryan last year. |
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Post by hsaxon on Aug 27, 2023 20:26:18 GMT -5
Just what I've been told for several years now by 'team insiders' under both staffs. But it's just some folks opinions. Take it or leave it. Maybe it's best put another way. Ewing publicly responded to some post game questions about Mutombos lack of playing time by alluding to Ryan needing to grow up and mature and put in the time. But I wouldn't behoove anyone who says 'Being in Ewings doghouse as a coach might be a badge of honor'. Cooley has tried to recruit over Mutombo 2 fold from day 1. Dickerson long shot. Cook. And since Cook we've been in contact with a number of other bigs. It seems pretty apparent just based on public recruiting info that the new staff had no intentions (and still likely don't if they can find another last minute big) to play Mutombo much. Again, I've heard nothing but great things about the kid as a person. As a student. As probably the most intertwined Gtown bball member into the general Georgetown student community. And hopefully if all true then one day he decides that Basketball is his passion and finds another gear. But you've seen him play (granted in small spurts) for 2 years. And while they're have been moments, does anyone come away thinking he's the answer to minutes at the 5 the next 2 seasons? He couldnt play over Tim I. Or even Ezewiro. Guys now at Cal Baptist (I think he's moved on from there too) and St. Louis. I would love for Ryan to be the next Hibbert or Sims. I just think that from everything I've seen and heard that chance is very very unlikely. I will pat myself on the back by pointing out I said that Ryan, despite his recruiting rankings and pedigree, would struggle big time at first at Gtown. I was against recruiting him because he was a legacy kid who, in my opinion, would be the clear fourth best center on the roster his frosh season. And he was. I write this to emphasize that I was very skeptical of Ryan from the beginning. But you know what? On offense he showed me more ability and fluidity than I expected from him that initial season. And while he was not some stellar defender he was nonetheless able to causes opponents to miss when going up against him in the paint. He showed me potential and I felt he should have seen more time last season. Frankly everyone gets a clean slate after the problematic situation over the previous two seasons. Ryan will get a chance to either prove the doubters right or confirm their suspicions. As of this moment, until some other big gets dropped off to Cooley's hand, the team NEEDS him to be a player of substance. Let's hope Ryan has improved and has a good / very good year. |
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Post by EasyEd on Aug 27, 2023 21:08:01 GMT -5
All these walk ons and none are bigs. Don't understand.
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