Georgetown @ DePaul 12/29/2022 Discussion

[prhoya]

Dec 30, 2022 8:00:53 GMT -5 rhw485 said:

We need to ban the phrase "or else we'll become DePaul" from the board.  Because look around, we are DePaul.  We're about to match their Big East losing streak.  They at least had the decency to fire their coach the following season after a winless big east campaign when they reached 7-8.  We're 5-9 with no signs of hope (I honestly can't believe Ewing had the audacity to say the team made good strides last night in the one quote released).

Last night felt like the "Kaiden Rice fallacy" that posters such as myself fell into last year.  Surely there would be a game where we simply just shoot the lights out and find a way to win.  Well we got that game from Brandon Murray last night, and still lost.  Because the reality is this team has no chance of winning playing defense the way it does, not valuing possessions, and not having fresh legs down the stretch to close out any game.  The run at the 9 min mark was so predictable.  Most of it came in transition as we got sloppy with the ball and couldn't get back in transition.

In the past I had pushed back against the statement that Ewing is the worst coach in college basketball.  I never thought he was good, just that he was below average and did nothing to help elevate the talent on the team.  To me it was just semantics because 0-19 should get you fired either way.  But after watching the last two seasons, I can confidently say he's the worst high major college basketball coach in the country.  hoya9797 and others were right.

I didn't sleep well last night, late-ish end for east coaster with kids and my adrenaline from a close game kept me up.  The reality is this program hasn't earned our support and there's no reason for their wins or losses to impact me.  Going to dial back the fandom.

Patrick Ewing's coaching tenure, and his refusal to step aside, are part of his legacy.  He built the program and tore it down.

My next post will be when Ewing steps aside.  Until then, Hoya Saxa

This too shall pass.

Patrick Ewing, Ronny Thompson and Jack DeGioia are destroying Hoya Basketball.

[calhoya]

Dec 30, 2022 8:00:53 GMT -5 rhw485 said:

We need to ban the phrase "or else we'll become DePaul" from the board.  Because look around, we are DePaul.  We're about to match their Big East losing streak.  They at least had the decency to fire their coach the following season after a winless big east campaign when they reached 7-8.  We're 5-9 with no signs of hope (I honestly can't believe Ewing had the audacity to say the team made good strides last night in the one quote released).

Last night felt like the "Kaiden Rice fallacy" that posters such as myself fell into last year.  Surely there would be a game where we simply just shoot the lights out and find a way to win.  Well we got that game from Brandon Murray last night, and still lost.  Because the reality is this team has no chance of winning playing defense the way it does, not valuing possessions, and not having fresh legs down the stretch to close out any game.  The run at the 9 min mark was so predictable.  Most of it came in transition as we got sloppy with the ball and couldn't get back in transition.

In the past I had pushed back against the statement that Ewing is the worst coach in college basketball.  I never thought he was good, just that he was below average and did nothing to help elevate the talent on the team.  To me it was just semantics because 0-19 should get you fired either way.  But after watching the last two seasons, I can confidently say he's the worst high major college basketball coach in the country.  hoya9797 and others were right.

I didn't sleep well last night, late-ish end for east coaster with kids and my adrenaline from a close game kept me up.  The reality is this program hasn't earned our support and there's no reason for their wins or losses to impact me.  Going to dial back the fandom.

Patrick Ewing's coaching tenure, and his refusal to step aside, are part of his legacy.  He built the program and tore it down.

My next post will be when Ewing steps aside.  Until then, Hoya Saxa

Suffer the same reaction and it has happened so frequently that I have yet to get through a full game live since the American game. Start watching until I cannot stand it, then turn it off and check scores. If it looks even half promising I tune back in (UConn) until the implosion. I use this board for information and while I continue to root for victories, the only outcome to this season that will get me to spend money or more than passing time is the termination of the coach and an honest effort to find someone qualified for the position and capable of a quick turnaround. As I get older time is not on my side and no longer willing to wait another 10 years for this disaster to end. Every request I have received and will receive for donations to the school or the athletic department is being returned with the same message--if the school has the money to pay an unqualified coach to waste its multi-million dollar investment in the basketball program, it does not need mine.

[Bigs"R"Us]

Dec 30, 2022 8:55:04 GMT -5 prhoya said:

Dec 30, 2022 8:00:53 GMT -5 rhw485 said:

We need to ban the phrase "or else we'll become DePaul" from the board.  Because look around, we are DePaul.  We're about to match their Big East losing streak.  They at least had the decency to fire their coach the following season after a winless big east campaign when they reached 7-8.  We're 5-9 with no signs of hope (I honestly can't believe Ewing had the audacity to say the team made good strides last night in the one quote released).

Last night felt like the "Kaiden Rice fallacy" that posters such as myself fell into last year.  Surely there would be a game where we simply just shoot the lights out and find a way to win.  Well we got that game from Brandon Murray last night, and still lost.  Because the reality is this team has no chance of winning playing defense the way it does, not valuing possessions, and not having fresh legs down the stretch to close out any game.  The run at the 9 min mark was so predictable.  Most of it came in transition as we got sloppy with the ball and couldn't get back in transition.

In the past I had pushed back against the statement that Ewing is the worst coach in college basketball.  I never thought he was good, just that he was below average and did nothing to help elevate the talent on the team.  To me it was just semantics because 0-19 should get you fired either way.  But after watching the last two seasons, I can confidently say he's the worst high major college basketball coach in the country.  hoya9797 and others were right.

I didn't sleep well last night, late-ish end for east coaster with kids and my adrenaline from a close game kept me up.  The reality is this program hasn't earned our support and there's no reason for their wins or losses to impact me.  Going to dial back the fandom.

Patrick Ewing's coaching tenure, and his refusal to step aside, are part of his legacy.  He built the program and tore it down.

My next post will be when Ewing steps aside.  Until then, Hoya Saxa

This too shall pass.

Patrick Ewing, Ronny Thompson and Jack DeGioia are destroying Hoya Basketball.

On the margin it’s more than that. The school is hurt by the negative press, lack of alumni engagement and poor graduation rates.

[EtomicB]

Pure comedy

[prhoya]

Dec 30, 2022 9:33:27 GMT -5 Bigs"R"Us said:

Dec 30, 2022 8:55:04 GMT -5 prhoya said:

This too shall pass.

Patrick Ewing, Ronny Thompson and Jack DeGioia are destroying Hoya Basketball.

On the margin it’s more than that. The school is hurt by the negative press, lack of alumni engagement and poor graduation rates.

Of course.

[prhoya]

We lost Monty too. GU is losing fans left and right. We nned more attention from the nadional media. Our Administration needs the embarrassment.

[hoya9797]

One thing I noticed during the pregame warmup was how many of the guys were practicing the midrange 18 foot jumper (and when not doing that, working on the pass to themselves off the backboard dunk). This is what they are coached to do. All this talk about how much Ewing must know about basketball is proving to be a bunch of BS. The guy was a great player but he’s no student of the game, that’s for sure. He knows little about how to play the modern game, can’t teach, can’t communicate, can’t lead, and can’t organize so of course he’s going to fail on an historic level. This outcome has been clear for years.

[vv83]

Here is how "excited" our bench got when we got within 2 in the final two minutes:

I know this is just one moment in a long season - but when you see this, It gets harder to argue with the idea that the bench players are growing pretty uninspired by their Georgetown basketball experience.

[prhoya]

Dec 30, 2022 20:10:36 GMT -5 vv83 said:

Here is how "excited" our bench got when we got within 2 in the final two minutes:

I know this is just one moment in a long season - but when you see this, It gets harder to argue with the idea that the bench players are growing pretty uninspired by their Georgetown basketball experience.

They know what is going to happen… we all know…

[Buckets]

Dec 29, 2022 23:15:05 GMT -5 vv83 said:

Quoting Saxagael: The past few games, since the Jamaica tournament Ewing leaves the court after a loss and is smiling and chatting with anybody who will chat with him. The assistant coaches look like they are Editeded and would be happy to punch a hole in the wall if now a whiteboard. It has been a long while since I've seen blatant mismanagement of a team.

Ewing’s 60 and never coaching again, everyone else at least theoretically has some future plans in basketball they’re working toward. He’s getting his next several years salary regardless and isn’t capable of salvaging the situation — just needs to get fired rather than quit to collect.

The blatant mismanagement of the team is only rivaled by JD’s mismanagement of the program, giving Ewing an extension with this much leverage and then being incapable of just pulling the trigger on paying the buyout and moving on after last season.

Some people trying their hardest, while the two retirement age people most responsible for our current disaster play the world’s stupidest game of chicken over this buyout.

[FHillsNYHoya]

Dec 30, 2022 20:10:36 GMT -5 vv83 said:

Here is how "excited" our bench got when we got within 2 in the final two minutes:

I know this is just one moment in a long season - but when you see this, It gets harder to argue with the idea that the bench players are growing pretty uninspired by their Georgetown basketball experience.

This was incredibly telling for me as well.

[hoyaboya]

Dec 30, 2022 20:45:52 GMT -5 Buckets said:

Dec 29, 2022 23:15:05 GMT -5 vv83 said:

Quoting Saxagael: The past few games, since the Jamaica tournament Ewing leaves the court after a loss and is smiling and chatting with anybody who will chat with him. The assistant coaches look like they are Editeded and would be happy to punch a hole in the wall if now a whiteboard. It has been a long while since I've seen blatant mismanagement of a team.

Ewing’s 60 and never coaching again, everyone else at least theoretically has some future plans in basketball they’re working toward. He’s getting his next several years salary regardless and isn’t capable of salvaging the situation — just needs to get fired rather than quit to collect.

The blatant mismanagement of the team is only rivaled by JD’s mismanagement of the program, giving Ewing an extension with this much leverage and then being incapable of just pulling the trigger on paying the buyout and moving on after last season.

Some people trying their hardest, while the two retirement age people most responsible for our current disaster play the world’s stupidest game of chicken over this buyout.

This is exactly right. Although Nickleberry at age 59 doesn’t have much in front of him and Baldwin has to hope his kid makes it in the NBA to get a payday. Crouch’s next job will be $40/ hour spotting yuppies who want a personal trainer at Gold’s Gym.

[miracles87]

Just got back from overseas, just finished watching recording… ugh. Way too many turnovers. Tighten that up, the wins will come.

[TC]

Dec 31, 2022 0:45:35 GMT -5 hoyaboya said:

This is exactly right. Although Nickleberry at age 59 doesn’t have much in front of him and Baldwin has to hope his kid makes it in the NBA to get a payday. Crouch’s next job will be $40/ hour spotting yuppies who want a personal trainer at Gold’s Gym.

Not necessary. Crouch is the only guy through this who has made any attempt to care about the fans and he seems like a decent guy and he seems to care about the players.  I want a full scale change as much as anyone here but also hope he lands on his feet somewhere.

Nickelberry will land somewhere at some desperate program that requires his particular set of skills.

[hoyasaxa2003]

So I just finished watching this game a little bit ago. All year, I have been complaining about long twos, so today I decided to count how many we had in the game. As background, it is well established that long two point shots are the worst shot in the game, as you can simply back up a bit and get three, given that the shooting percentage for long twos and threes is very similar. This is the reason why NBA teams now take very few long two point jump shots--it's mostly threes and stuff in the paint.

I counted 22, yes, 22 long twos. 10 in the first half, 12 in the second. Primo Spears is probably the biggest offender, but Murray took a bunch too. This is Exhibit 1 in how Ewing coaches horrible offense nad basketball. This is not rocket science, you don't need to be an analytics guy to see this is bad. Our guys do not work to get good shots. Spears is the biggest offender here, as frequently his pattern is to look for a shot, try to drive, and when he gets stopped by a defender pulls up for a long two. He did it, again and again against DePaul. It is really disheartening, and tells me he's not receiving the coaching he should be getting. Even worse, many of the two point shots were with ample shot clock time (29 seconds in one instance, 20 in another).

We took a total of 46 two point shots, and 22 were long twos. This is truly badly coached basketball. I just don't see how Ewing doesn't see it. Sure, when Ewing was in college there were no threes, but he was in the NBA as a player and a coach in recent years when this was standard/basic knowledge. Some coaches run practices on this very point by placing lines on the practice court with zones for players to avoid or use. Clearly, we do not do that, and Ewing is not instructing them to do anything about it.

We are simply getting into a situation where our team is so badly coached, that almost no effort is good enough to win. Our defense is porous and let's the other team get ample open threes and dunks. Our offense is premised on taking a lot of two point jumpers, the worst shot in the game. We are essentially playing a different game on offense than everyone else, we have no shot at stopping other teams, so how can we win? We basically need to run super hot, make some bad shots, and hope the other team doesn't make their open shots. It is not a good recipe for success.

Murray shot great, but he also had 7 turnovers, rendering his overall efficiency only "meh". I think if he had better coaching, he'd do way better (as Aminu would have last year, too).

I am 100% confident our current roster could have won that game if it was well coached. But, it isn't. In other news, I truly hope Heath and Akok are healthy.

[prhoya]

Patrick Ewing’s BE coaching record vs. other BE coaches:[/b]

McDermott (Creighton): 3-8 (home 1-4, away 1-4, neutral 1-0)
Jordan (Butler): 4-6 (h 1-4, a 3-2)
Matta (Butler): 0-0 (h 0-0, a 0-0)
Leitao (DePaul): 4-3 (h 2-1, a 2-2)
Stubblefield (DePaul): 0-3 (h 0-1, a 0-2)
Wojciechowski (Marquette) 2-6 (h 0-4, a 1-2, n 1-0)
Smart (Marquette): 0-2 (h 0-1, a 0-1)
Cooley (Providence): 3-6 (h 2-3, a 1-3)
Willard (Seton Hall): 4-9 (h 3-2, a 0-5, n 1-2)
Holloway (Seton Hall): 0-0 (h 0-0, a 0-0, n 0-0)
Mullin (SJU): 3-2 (h 1-1, a 2-0, n 0-1)
Anderson (SJU): 3-4 (h 2-1, a 1-2, n 0-1)
Hurley (UConn): 0-5 (h 0-2, a 0-3)
Wright (Villanova): 2-9 (h 1-4, a 0-5, n 1-0)
Neptune (Villanova): 0-0 (h 0-0, a 0-0, n 0-0)
Mack (Xavier): 0-2 (h 0-1, a 0-1)
Steele (Xavier): 2-4 (h 2-1, a 0-3)
Miller (Xavier): 0-1 (h 0-0, a 0-1)

Patrick Ewing’s BE coaching record vs. other BE schools:

Creighton: 3-8
Butler: 4-6
DePaul: 4-6
Marquette: 2-8
Providence: 3-6
Seton Hall: 4-9
SJU: 6-6
UConn: 0-5
Villanova: 2-9
Xavier: 2-7

Patrick Ewing’s Big East regular season record:
2017-18 (5-13) = .278
2018-19 (9-9) = .500
2019-20 (5-13) = .278
2020-21 (7-9) = .438
2021-22 (0-19) = .000
2022-23 (0-3) = .000
BET (4-4) = .500

BE regular season w/ BET: 30-70 (h 15-31, a 11-35, n 4-4) = .300
BE regular season w/o BET: 26-66 (h 15-31, a 11-35) = .282

Notes:
•Craig Esherick’s BE record (1999-2004): BE overall 46-59 (.(438); BE reg. sea. 41–53 (.436); BET 5-6 (.454)
•John Thompson III’s BE record (2005-2017): BE overall 146-106 (.579); BE reg. sea. 131–94 (.580); BET 15-12 (.555)
• Patrick Ewing has a losing record against every current Big East coach, except BE rookie coaches Holloway, Matta and Neptune.
• Patrick Ewing is currently in a 23-game losing streak in BE, which is the longest losing streak in Georgetown history.
• Patrick Ewing had 5 consecutive years of having a team ranked in the 300s in 3-point defense. He's in Year 6.
• Patrick Ewing has not won a Big East home game since coming back from the COVID pandemic.
• Patrick Ewing's overall coaching record of 73-93 for .440 is the worst coaching record in the modern history of G.U. Men's Basketball.
• Patrick Ewing did not win a single Big East game in the year 2022.
• Patrick Ewing has lost 28 consecutive games to opponents from major college conferences.

DFW’s THE RECORD BOOK
(Revised as of Dec. 21)

Most Losses, One Season
2021-22 - 25
1971-72 - 23
1953-54, 2015-16, 16-17 - 18

Most Losses (Big East)
2021-22 - 20
2016-17, 17-18, 19-20 - 13
1997-98, 98-99, 03-04 - 12

Most Home Losses
2021-22 - 13
1950-51,17-18,19-20 - 8
1971-72 - 7

[1427hoya]

Dec 31, 2022 3:04:48 GMT -5 miracles87 said:

Just got back from overseas, just finished watching recording… ugh. Way too many turnovers. Tighten that up, the wins will come.

Yeah, right .. it’s just about cleaning up a few turnovers.

[Highsmith]

Jan 1, 2023 21:48:17 GMT -5 1427hoya said:

Dec 31, 2022 3:04:48 GMT -5 miracles87 said:

Just got back from overseas, just finished watching recording… ugh. Way too many turnovers. Tighten that up, the wins will come.

Yeah, right .. it’s just about cleaning up a few turnovers.

Yeah- we only had 7 against Butler.....that turned out well.

[Bigs"R"Us]

Jan 3, 2023 6:35:35 GMT -5 Highsmith said:

Jan 1, 2023 21:48:17 GMT -5 1427hoya said:

Yeah, right .. it’s just about cleaning up a few turnovers.

Yeah- we only had 7 against Butler.....that turned out well.

We are finding a number of ways to lose, even when certain stats are in our favor. We lost even when Murray had a career night.

[Elvado]

Jan 3, 2023 6:53:12 GMT -5 Bigs"R"Us said:

Jan 3, 2023 6:35:35 GMT -5 Highsmith said:

Yeah- we only had 7 against Butler.....that turned out well.

We are finding a number of ways to lose, even when certain stats are in our favor. We lost even when Murray had a career night.

We have become a very versatile team.

We can lose (or beat ourselves)all kinds of ways…