alleninxis
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Post by alleninxis on Mar 1, 2023 20:09:49 GMT -5
We all agree that was super classy, right? Good job on Notre Dame for announcing early AND managing to go out on good terms. Yup. ND has handled this really well, and Brey helped out by being self aware. If only.. |
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prhoya
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Post by prhoya on Mar 1, 2023 20:16:16 GMT -5
He looks younger and more energized than Pat. |
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Post by guru on Mar 1, 2023 20:29:37 GMT -5
I’d like to weigh in on the coaching thread because I think, as class of ’68 grad I might be able to bring some perspective to what the University will do after Ewing is fired or resigns. (FWIW I think Rick Pitino is the best choice for us if the University is serious about returning the basketball program to prominence. But, as I explain below, I don’t believe the University is). If you remember, back when JT2 was hired there were few if any minority coaches in college basketball. It was hoped that Thompson would not just improve upon our dismal record under Jack McGee and maybe get us an occasional NIT invitation but also change the schools image as an exclusively white college in a predominantly black city. No one envisioned what JT2 would accomplish over the next 40 years or the attention he would generate not just as a basketball coach but also as a civil rights icon. In effect, the University got a twofer - a prominent basketball program and all that entailed while also earning a relatively easy (and probably undeserved) reputation as a leader in the effort to both provide educational opportunity to underprivileged minority students and literally change the “face” of college coaching. Unfortunately for the basketball program this twofer came with a price, i.e. the GU basketball program became JOHN THOMPSON and any effort to move on from JOHN THOMPSON could be viewed as endangering Thompson’s (and the schools) progressive civil rights legacy. Meanwhile, the University was also moving on from its fellow Catholic colleges and establishing itself as an “elite” academic institution. When I enrolled in September 1964 GU was no more academically prestigious (or expensive) than BC, Fordham, Villanova, Seton Hall, or other East Coast private Catholic colleges. “Ivy Envy” became the order of the day and a GU degree became prestigious enough for privileged parents to try and bribe the tennis coach to get their kids in. In this environment, a failing basketball program might be embarrassing but would never be viewed as an existential threat to the University and any effort to revive that program by hiring a coach whose credentials are solely basketball related will be viewed as an unseemly effort to soil the University’s academic/progressive reputation. So goodbye Pitino/Brey and any other coaches who bring only a successful basketball resume to the new coach hunt. I think the University will be looking for a minority coach who has run a successful basketball program while also demonstrating a commitment to our nation’s ongoing civil rights struggle. It is also an intriguing possibility that, just like by hiring John Thompson, the University might, by hiring Dawn Staley, get another twofer, i,e, break another college coaching barrier and position itself at the forefront of another civil rights battle — while also getting another damn good coach. You’re talking about 50+ years ago. Everything - literally, everything - surrounding the upcoming hire is different than it was a half century ago. Harkening back to the past to guide the way forward is what has gotten us into this miserable predicament. |
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Post by hoyainthe315 on Mar 1, 2023 21:05:37 GMT -5
Whoever is hired has to be a Home Run, I don’t care if the next coach is white, black or orange, just make it somebody who has experienced winning, and has experience with recruiting in this new world in college athletics with the NIL. And all this Dawn Staley talk is the most ridiculous nonsense ever, if you were gonna pick a coach with no men’s experience why not Gino Auriema who has what like 10 titles? just to be clear I think that would be a horrible hire as well. But by any measure he is more accomplished then Dawn Staley smh.
1. Ed Cooley
2. Rick PITINO
3. Randy Bennet
4. And if I had a say I’d also call Jamie Dixon
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royski
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Post by royski on Mar 1, 2023 21:14:45 GMT -5
I highly doubt that Dawn Staley would effectively recruit. Simply an insane idea. If Rick Pitino wants this job, and all indications are that he does, there is 0 reason to even consider anyone else.
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Post by madgesiq92 on Mar 1, 2023 21:21:02 GMT -5
The reality is that a wooden cigar store Indian would be an upgrade over Pat.
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Post by nbhoya on Mar 1, 2023 21:21:14 GMT -5
The women’s game and men’s college basketball games are nothing alike. We may as well hire a middle school boys coach.
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alleninxis
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Post by alleninxis on Mar 1, 2023 21:30:20 GMT -5
I stop short of Pitino or bust, because I do believe there are several good coaches who can succeed at this job.
However - there has been a much higher approval for Pitino than I expected that I've seen from the fanbase. The media has already softened the idea of him returning to the high major level - in fact it seems they are begging for the redemption story.
The administration and decision makers are not deaf or blind to this - they know it. They know he'd take the job. They know there is no buyout. It's in their hands - to pass on him, at this point in time would truly be inexcusable to me.
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Post by hoyahoops1 on Mar 1, 2023 21:35:09 GMT -5
Not sure I’ve seen this exact scenario mentioned yet but how about the opportunity for a new coaching family legacy to be written at Georgetown? Rick Pitino is hired to turn around this disaster of a program back to its former Big East glory. He succeeds and after 5 years hands over the reigns to his son, Richard Pitino, to carry on the family legacy. It would be a storybook ending to a legendary coaching career. A man can dream, anyway!
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Post by CTHoya08 on Mar 1, 2023 21:37:52 GMT -5
I stop short of Pitino or bust, because I do believe there are several good coaches who can succeed at this job. However - there has been a much higher approval for Pitino than I expected that I've seen from the fanbase. The media has already softened the idea of him returning to the high major level - in fact it seems they are begging for the redemption story. The administration and decision makers are not deaf or blind to this - they know it. They know he'd take the job. They know there is no buyout. It's in their hands - to pass on him, at this point in time would truly be inexcusable to me. Couldn’t agree more. Let’s not get to the stage of trying to figure out what we need to do to wrangle Cooley out of Providence, or which of the bevy of mid-major coaches is going to succeed at the BE level. There’s now a lot of not even subtle indications that Pitino wants this job. He’s clearly one of the top what, two or three candidates? (I’d say he’s the clear number one, but I can see the argument for Cooley because he’s younger.) And all signs are that he’d be easier to get than whoever else is on that short list. There’s no need to overcomplicate this. Hire the man. |
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royski
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Post by royski on Mar 1, 2023 21:44:52 GMT -5
We should consider ourselves blessed that one of the 5 greatest college coaches in the game wants the tall task of resurrecting this program. To screw it up on our end would be unfathomable incompetence.
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Post by sweetness on Mar 1, 2023 21:52:36 GMT -5
Exactly - the fact that an all time great like Pitino happens to be sitting there this year is an unbelievably lucky break for us. Let alone his connection to the school.
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Post by concord on Mar 1, 2023 22:08:28 GMT -5
I wanted Cooley last time around and I think he would be a home run hire
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Post by bluegray79 on Mar 1, 2023 22:17:36 GMT -5
If you haven't already, get to Casual Hoya on Twitter. Statement by Lee Reed on Ewing's immediate departure
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Post by RBHoya on Mar 1, 2023 22:23:18 GMT -5
If you haven't already, get to Casual Hoya on Twitter. Statement by Lee Reed on Ewing's immediate departure That's casual drafting a statement for the AD to use, not a real press release. |
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Post by thedragon on Mar 1, 2023 22:23:37 GMT -5
If you haven't already, get to Casual Hoya on Twitter. Statement by Lee Reed on Ewing's immediate departure Hes sarcastically offering them to copy and paste his release. |
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bluegray79
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Post by bluegray79 on Mar 1, 2023 22:36:55 GMT -5
Crazy how wanting something to be true can totally cloud one's clarity of reasoning.
And still no Anglin or Bass.
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Post by nmarcot on Mar 1, 2023 22:38:23 GMT -5
Rick Pitino!!!!!! Rick Pitino!!!!!!! Rick Pitino!!!!!!!!
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bluegray79
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Post by bluegray79 on Mar 1, 2023 22:39:04 GMT -5
There's Bass! No Anglin???
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Post by bluegray79 on Mar 1, 2023 23:06:48 GMT -5
If you haven't already, get to Casual Hoya on Twitter. Statement by Lee Reed on Ewing's immediate departure That's casual drafting a statement for the AD to use, not a real press release. Fargging bastidges! Remember how well that worked when they faked the letter from the alumni? Cruel. And churlish. |
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