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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Feb 26, 2023 13:46:11 GMT -5
Is anyone else starting to get a bit concerned that even when we get a new coach, their fandom is going to be difficult to get back? Patrick Ewing has absolutely destroyed all the good will I’ve had for this basketball team for almost my entire life; I’m not sure I can get right back to the place I was even just a few years ago. The disastrous end of the JTIII seemed like a blip, but this is something else entirely. Maybe at the margins, but winning cures a lot. That’s why it’s important we hire a coach with experience who can almost guarantee a turnaround. If we hire some guy who has never coached before or who has a middling record, we are basically creating a high risk of remaining in the same hole we are in now. I really do think Pitino would bring a huge amount of excitement simply because people who know that means we are going to be better. Similar with Cooley, I just don’t think he’ll leave Providence. |
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Post by DFW HOYA on Feb 26, 2023 13:46:53 GMT -5
Is anyone else starting to get a bit concerned that even when we get a new coach, their fandom is going to be difficult to get back? Patrick Ewing has absolutely destroyed all the good will I’ve had for this basketball team for almost my entire life; I’m not sure I can get right back to the place I was even just a few years ago. The disastrous end of the JTIII seemed like a blip, but this is something else entirely. The fan base, particularly 30 and under (classes of 2015 to 2023), is not coming back. |
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Feb 26, 2023 13:48:12 GMT -5
Is anyone else starting to get a bit concerned that even when we get a new coach, their fandom is going to be difficult to get back? Patrick Ewing has absolutely destroyed all the good will I’ve had for this basketball team for almost my entire life; I’m not sure I can get right back to the place I was even just a few years ago. The disastrous end of the JTIII seemed like a blip, but this is something else entirely. The fan base, particularly 30 and under (classes of 2015 to 2023), is not coming back. This is why we cannot afford a bad hire. We cannot have full generations of Georgetown students not seeing winning basketball. |
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Post by SDHoya on Feb 26, 2023 13:53:38 GMT -5
As I recall, after he changed out of his colonel sanders suit back into a normal dark suit at half, Louisville came back to win. I thought we won that game. Didn't he claim that he spilled something? |
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Post by practice on Feb 26, 2023 13:53:43 GMT -5
Is anyone else starting to get a bit concerned that even when we get a new coach, their fandom is going to be difficult to get back? Patrick Ewing has absolutely destroyed all the good will I’ve had for this basketball team for almost my entire life; I’m not sure I can get right back to the place I was even just a few years ago. The disastrous end of the JTIII seemed like a blip, but this is something else entirely. The fan base, particularly 30 and under (classes of 2015 to 2023), is not coming back. That's just flat out wrong ... it will take one good season to bring fans back ... and get alumni excited about the program. Winning really cures everything. Look at Iowa State or Rutgers or any other school that gets a good coach. The stands fill up, season tickets are sold and starter jackets are purchased. I say Pitino or bust ... but really I just want to win again. Alumni who have never seen winning will get to like winning very quickly. Nobody's lost. At the same time, some of the most die hard fans out there can't live through this nonsense. |
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Feb 26, 2023 14:01:57 GMT -5
The fan base, particularly 30 and under (classes of 2015 to 2023), is not coming back. That's just flat out wrong ... it will take one good season to bring fans back ... and get alumni excited about the program. Winning really cures everything. Look at Iowa State or Rutgers or any other school that gets a good coach. The stands fill up, season tickets are sold and starter jackets are purchased. I say Pitino or bust ... but really I just want to win again. Alumni who have never seen winning will get to like winning very quickly. Nobody's lost. At the same time, some of the most die hard fans out there can't live through this nonsense. I agree with you but I think DFW is making a separate point. Many students become fans in good times because the team is good when they are students. Sure, some alumni will come back with winning but you will always lose some number of kids who would’ve been fans as students if we were good, but weren’t and may never come back. |
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Post by reformation on Feb 26, 2023 14:17:15 GMT -5
I was at an info session/tour for Georgetown with my daughter last week on campus. The person speaking about Gtwn in the info session was basically apologizing for the basketball team in her presentation. Not a good look generally--though I'm sure it resonated more with me than others in the info session-just makes the point that we are not too big an academic powerhouse to get away with blowing up our signature athletic program-there are negative spillovers.
We need a nice shot in the arm for univ overall- I think Pitino will provide the natl attention much more than say Cooley. Any kind of real personal reference check on Ewing would have been very mixed. Unless Pitino is materially worse in reality and truly a bad person, I think we should go for it.
In the past we've foolishly overlooked candidates for Univ President that were divorced (very good people I know personally) and we have been left with truly mediocre admin talent.
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Post by hoyaguy on Feb 26, 2023 14:21:58 GMT -5
That's just flat out wrong ... it will take one good season to bring fans back ... and get alumni excited about the program. Winning really cures everything. Look at Iowa State or Rutgers or any other school that gets a good coach. The stands fill up, season tickets are sold and starter jackets are purchased. I say Pitino or bust ... but really I just want to win again. Alumni who have never seen winning will get to like winning very quickly. Nobody's lost. At the same time, some of the most die hard fans out there can't live through this nonsense. I agree with you but I think DFW is making a separate point. Many students become fans in good times because the team is good when they are students. Sure, some alumni will come back with winning but you will always lose some number of kids who would’ve been fans as students if we were good, but weren’t and may never come back. And that’s especially true when the son of the failed coach says it’s partially the fans’ and students’ faults. If there is a weak “safe” hire then it is very possible the majority of that generation, including myself is gone. |
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Feb 26, 2023 14:24:41 GMT -5
More so than any other game this year, Ewing looks hugely disengaged and is just sitting there on the sideline, not even standing up. I would guess he’s been told he’s gone.
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Post by hoyaguy on Feb 26, 2023 14:26:30 GMT -5
In the past we've foolishly overlooked candidates for Univ President that were divorced (very good people I know personally) and we have been left with truly mediocre admin talent. Wait actually? That’s kind of hilarious and so nonsensically stupid, how dare these candidates violate the holy sacrament of marriage, so disgraceful, they are dangerous people to the university’s status |
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Post by saxagael on Feb 26, 2023 15:00:33 GMT -5
In this fantasy scenario is Ronny Thompson not involved in the hiring process? I really don't understand how he stays. But, I've always been lost on this one. |
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Post by saxagael on Feb 26, 2023 15:08:35 GMT -5
Some joker edited Brey’s Wikipedia entry to say he is the head coach at Georgetown. I am on my phone and cannot figure out how to post the image, but you can check. I do not understand why Brey is a candidate. He has not been particularly successful since 2017, appears to be falling off a cliff, and has major defensive problems capped by somehow having a worse defense than us this season. Even if Pitino is not an option, I would prefer a younger coach with promise to this. Or even an older coach who doesn’t suck! Give me James Jones over Mike Brey any day. I'm a huge fan of James Jones. His recruiting pitches and reality around the game are awesome. I can't imagine him leaving his current spot as he has a good gig. Their facilities aren't anywhere as nice as Georgetown's (remember the days when everybody's was better than Georgetown's), but he has full support of the University and he know the extent of what he can do and does a whole lot within tight constraints of Ivy League rules. The constraints take some of the pressure off of him that would be things that add frustration at other less constrained programs (his words). |
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Post by kettlehill on Feb 26, 2023 15:10:17 GMT -5
Just now watching the tail end of Iona vs Siena which was a 93-60 win for Iona, 9 straight win. The cool thing was, in garbage time Pitino put in the bench including Senior and walk-on James Carey. The kid scored his first points of the season- home crowd went wild -then went on to score a total of 7. So Pitino pulls the kid so the crowd and his teammates could go even wilder, and they did. Big hug from Pitino. Very cool moment.
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Post by saxagael on Feb 26, 2023 15:13:00 GMT -5
I would hope that we would have serious discussions with Randy Bennett, Ed Cooley, and Micah Shrewsbury. Maybe check in with TJ Otzelberger and Brian Dutcher. Consider Mike Rhoades, Ryan Odom, Dusty May, Ben McCollum, and Leon Rice. Pitino is a great coach, but, over the years, he has failed to uphold high ethical standards. I know that NCAA basketball is hypercompetitive, and many or perhaps even most coaches have pretty low ethical standards. However, even among his peers, Pitino has scraped the bottom. We don't need that. He is the wrong fit for Georgetown. As a undergrad alum from St. Mary's I think a lot of Randy Bennett and what he has done and would really like to see him at Georgetown. But, he continually claims he is very happy at St. Mary's and what he has going there. He recently extended his contract (in the last year or two) and said with one more extension that would get him close to retirement and he would like to retire from St. Mary's. |
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Feb 26, 2023 15:18:16 GMT -5
Just now watching the tail end of Iona vs Siena which was a 93-60 win for Iona, 9 straight win. The cool thing was, in garbage time Pitino put in the bench including Senior and walk-on James Carey. The kid scored his first points of the season- home crowd went wild -then went on to score a total of 7. So Pitino pulls the kid so the crowd and his teammates could go even wilder. Very cool moment. Sold on Pitino Pitino understands that it’s not just about coaching basketball but also about relations with students, alumni, fans, etc. I think people would be very pleasantly surprised by how good he is at public relations particular since Georgetown has been so bad at it for years. |
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Post by Highsmith on Feb 26, 2023 15:22:09 GMT -5
More so than any other game this year, Ewing looks hugely disengaged and is just sitting there on the sideline, not even standing up. I would guess he’s been told he’s gone. Thought the same…..between that and all the announcer talk about it, I thought something would come out. |
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Post by EtomicB on Feb 26, 2023 15:24:05 GMT -5
Just now watching the tail end of Iona vs Siena which was a 93-60 win for Iona, 9 straight win. The cool thing was, in garbage time Pitino put in the bench including Senior and walk-on James Carey. The kid scored his first points of the season- home crowd went wild -then went on to score a total of 7. So Pitino pulls the kid so the crowd and his teammates could go even wilder. Very cool moment. Sold on Pitino Pitino understands that it’s not just about coaching basketball but also about relations with students, alumni, fans, etc. I think people would be very pleasantly surprised by how good he is at public relations particular since Georgetown has been so bad at it for years. How much would you bet that Pitino will get a serious look? I hope it happens but I'm not holding my breath, just hard to see JD going this direction |
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Post by saxagael on Feb 26, 2023 15:30:04 GMT -5
Pitino understands that it’s not just about coaching basketball but also about relations with students, alumni, fans, etc. I think people would be very pleasantly surprised by how good he is at public relations particular since Georgetown has been so bad at it for years. How much would you bet that Pitino will get a serious look? I hope it happens but I'm not holding my breath, just hard to see JD going this direction I think Pitino gets a serious look. Rumor mill the last few days have Pitino strongly thinking about Notre Dame when Brey retiring. |
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Post by bigskyhoya on Feb 26, 2023 15:37:44 GMT -5
Pitino understands that it’s not just about coaching basketball but also about relations with students, alumni, fans, etc. I think people would be very pleasantly surprised by how good he is at public relations particular since Georgetown has been so bad at it for years. How much would you bet that Pitino will get a serious look? I hope it happens but I'm not holding my breath, just hard to see JD going this direction We have hit rock bottom and JD must know it. It is time for a radical change in direction. I am feeling optimistic even though I know how they have run things since the 70s. |
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Feb 26, 2023 15:47:38 GMT -5
How much would you bet that Pitino will get a serious look? I hope it happens but I'm not holding my breath, just hard to see JD going this direction I think Pitino gets a serious look. Rumor mill the last few days have Pitino strongly thinking about Notre Dame when Brey retiring. I have no inside information but I think Georgetown or St. John’s are much better fits for Pitino than Notre Dame. |
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