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Post by happyhoya1979 on Jul 14, 2024 18:26:11 GMT -5
Next predicted move from radical MAGA GOPers - blame Mayorkas for SS failures since SS now under DHS instead of Treasury. Elon Musk is correct, it was either deliberate or grossly incompetent. People will debate that until Congress completes its hearings next week. I am more interested in what Biden needs to do at this moment to restore any sense of competence of the government or sense of security of the American people in its democratic process. Joe Biden actually needs to get on national TV tonight and fire the SS leadership involved in this debacle, both at the detail and senior leadership levels. There was no accountability for the Afghan withdrawal debacle, the Russian invasion of Ukraine debacle, the ongoing border debacle and the October 7 attack on Israel debacle. No one in America thinks this man has the ability to demand accountability from anyone for anything. There is no excuse for a shooter to be on a roof within firing range of a speaker. "I tried hard" or "I showed up for work on time" or "wore my badge in the right place", "we didn't lose any equipment" or "was stationed correctly but just missed it" doesn't cut it and shouldn't "cut it" in a Presidential administration. And if Biden doesn't fire someone from SS in the chain for this, what will it do for the conspiracy theorists who think it was deliberate or noticed the coincidence that the attack occured right before the Republican Presidential candidate was going to choose his VP. If Trump had been killed without a designated VP, the entire Republican opposition would have collapsed right before its convention. Coincidences like this are too dangerous where the country is right now. Biden has to act and fire. Biden has to prove the case that is was gross incompetence or we may fall apart completely as a nation.
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Post by guru on Jul 14, 2024 18:39:14 GMT -5
Yeah. I’m an alarmist for pointing out the obvious. People who said Row was going to be overturned were called alarmists too and that never came to pass. Oh, wait… Again, I wish you peace and more faith in the Republic. It has been through worse. It’s a Sunday evening and I guess you have nothing better to do than post the same rote Fox News-addled political musings over and over on a college basketball forum. I hope you find peace.
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Post by DanMcQ on Jul 14, 2024 19:57:42 GMT -5
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Post by SSHoya on Jul 15, 2024 7:23:10 GMT -5
Classic bullied outcast who becomes a shooter but according to some motivated by Biden's off-the-record speech to campaign donors. Yeah, right. Crooks tried out for the school’s rifle team but was turned away because he was a bad shooter, said Frederick Mach, a current captain of the team who was a few years behind Crooks at the school. Jason Kohler, who said he attended the same high school but did not share any classes with Crooks, said Crooks was bullied at school and sat alone at lunch time. Other students mocked him for the clothes he wore, which included hunting outfits, Kohler said. “He was bullied almost every day,” Kohler told reporters. “He was just a outcast, and you know how kids are nowadays.” apnews.com/article/trump-assassination-attempt-thomas-matthew-crooks-shooter-881581c46c07025898027143fc9132e5We found that the majority of school shooters are male (95%) and white (61%)–yet many of these individuals feel marginalized. Indeed, almost half of those who perpetrate K-12 shootings report a history of rejection, with many experiencing bullying. One 16-year-old shooter wrote, “I feel rejected, rejected, not so much alone, but rejected. I feel this way because the day-to-day treatment I get usually it’s positive but the negative is like a cut, it doesn’t go away really fast.” Prior to the Parkland shooting, the perpetrator said, “I had enough of being—telling me that I’m an idiot and a dumbass.” A 14-year-old shooter stated in court, “I felt like I wasn’t wanted by anyone, especially my mom.” These individuals felt rejected and insignificant. www.brookings.edu/articles/school-shootings-what-we-know-about-them-and-what-we-can-do-to-prevent-them/
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Post by Elvado on Jul 15, 2024 7:54:44 GMT -5
Classic bullied outcast who becomes a shooter but according to some motivated by Biden's off-the-record speech to campaign donors. Yeah, right. Crooks tried out for the school’s rifle team but was turned away because he was a bad shooter, said Frederick Mach, a current captain of the team who was a few years behind Crooks at the school. Jason Kohler, who said he attended the same high school but did not share any classes with Crooks, said Crooks was bullied at school and sat alone at lunch time. Other students mocked him for the clothes he wore, which included hunting outfits, Kohler said. “He was bullied almost every day,” Kohler told reporters. “He was just a outcast, and you know how kids are nowadays.” apnews.com/article/trump-assassination-attempt-thomas-matthew-crooks-shooter-881581c46c07025898027143fc9132e5We found that the majority of school shooters are male (95%) and white (61%)–yet many of these individuals feel marginalized. Indeed, almost half of those who perpetrate K-12 shootings report a history of rejection, with many experiencing bullying. One 16-year-old shooter wrote, “I feel rejected, rejected, not so much alone, but rejected. I feel this way because the day-to-day treatment I get usually it’s positive but the negative is like a cut, it doesn’t go away really fast.” Prior to the Parkland shooting, the perpetrator said, “I had enough of being—telling me that I’m an idiot and a dumbass.” A 14-year-old shooter stated in court, “I felt like I wasn’t wanted by anyone, especially my mom.” These individuals felt rejected and insignificant. www.brookings.edu/articles/school-shootings-what-we-know-about-them-and-what-we-can-do-to-prevent-them/I think I know the answer but do you leave open the possibility that hearing every day for 3 years plus that Trump was an “existential threat to Democracy” and “needed to be stopped” might have made it easier for a deranged individual to shoot at him?
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Post by hoyajinx on Jul 15, 2024 8:00:43 GMT -5
Classic bullied outcast who becomes a shooter but according to some motivated by Biden's off-the-record speech to campaign donors. Yeah, right. Crooks tried out for the school’s rifle team but was turned away because he was a bad shooter, said Frederick Mach, a current captain of the team who was a few years behind Crooks at the school. Jason Kohler, who said he attended the same high school but did not share any classes with Crooks, said Crooks was bullied at school and sat alone at lunch time. Other students mocked him for the clothes he wore, which included hunting outfits, Kohler said. “He was bullied almost every day,” Kohler told reporters. “He was just a outcast, and you know how kids are nowadays.” apnews.com/article/trump-assassination-attempt-thomas-matthew-crooks-shooter-881581c46c07025898027143fc9132e5We found that the majority of school shooters are male (95%) and white (61%)–yet many of these individuals feel marginalized. Indeed, almost half of those who perpetrate K-12 shootings report a history of rejection, with many experiencing bullying. One 16-year-old shooter wrote, “I feel rejected, rejected, not so much alone, but rejected. I feel this way because the day-to-day treatment I get usually it’s positive but the negative is like a cut, it doesn’t go away really fast.” Prior to the Parkland shooting, the perpetrator said, “I had enough of being—telling me that I’m an idiot and a dumbass.” A 14-year-old shooter stated in court, “I felt like I wasn’t wanted by anyone, especially my mom.” These individuals felt rejected and insignificant. www.brookings.edu/articles/school-shootings-what-we-know-about-them-and-what-we-can-do-to-prevent-them/I think I know the answer but do you leave open the possibility that hearing every day for 3 years plus that Trump was an “existential threat to Democracy” and “needed to be stopped” might have made it easier for a deranged individual to shoot at him? Have you considered the possibility that you were just flatly wrong?
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Post by SSHoya on Jul 15, 2024 8:01:28 GMT -5
From 2020. Just add four more years of lies and violent rhetoric. President Donald Trump has repeatedly distanced himself from acts of violence in communities across America, dismissing critics who point to his rhetoric as a potential source of inspiration or comfort for anyone acting on even long-held beliefs of bigotry and hate. "I think my rhetoric brings people together," he said last year, four days after a 21-year-old allegedly posted an anti-immigrant screed online and then allegedly opened fire at a Walmart in El Paso, Texas, killing 22 and injuring dozens of others. But a nationwide review conducted by ABC News has identified at least 54 criminal cases where Trump was invoked in direct connection with violent acts, threats of violence or allegations of assault. After a Latino gas station attendant in Gainesville, Florida, was suddenly punched in the head by a white man, the victim could be heard on surveillance camera recounting the attacker’s own words: “He said, ‘This is for Trump.'" Charges were filed but the victim stopped pursuing them. When police questioned a Washington state man about his threats to kill a local Syrian-born man, the suspect told police he wanted the victim to "get out of my country," adding, "That’s why I like Trump." ABC News could not find a single criminal case filed in federal or state court where an act of violence or threat was made in the name of President Barack Obama or President George W. Bush. The 54 cases identified by ABC News are remarkable in that a link to the president is captured in court documents and police statements, under the penalty of perjury or contempt. These links are not speculative – they are documented in official records. And in the majority of cases identified by ABC News, it was perpetrators themselves who invoked the president in connection with their case, not anyone else. abcnews.go.com/Politics/blame-abc-news-finds-17-cases-invoking-trump/story?id=58912889
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Post by SSHoya on Jul 15, 2024 8:16:27 GMT -5
Perspectives on Terrorism is an initiative of the International Centre for Counter-Terrorism. Donald Trump: Aggressive Rhetoric and Political Violence by Brigitte L. Nacos, Robert Y. Shapiro, Yaeli Bloch-Elkon During Donald Trump’s presidential candidacy and presidency political discourse in the United States became more hateful and divisive. Threats and actual violence against groups and individuals singled out and demonized by Trump increased. The targets of his verbal attacks were most of all racial, ethnic, and religious minorities, the news media collectively and individual journalists, and well-known politicians, mostly Democrats. There was a rise in bullying incidents in schools against minority students. Assuming that aggressive rhetoric by influential political leaders affect their supporters’ words and deeds, we examined Trump’s online and offline hate speech, the rhetorical reactions of his followers, and the violent consequences suffered by their declared enemies. We found that contrary to an old children’s rhyme (“Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me”) Trump’s aggressive, divisive, and dehumanizing language was seconded by his followers and inflicted directly or indirectly psychological and physical harm to Trump’s declared enemies. pt.icct.nl/article/donald-trump-aggressive-rhetoric-and-political-violence
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Post by SSHoya on Jul 15, 2024 8:20:19 GMT -5
Former President Donald Trump is under fire again for comments made during a controversial speech at a campaign event for Ohio Senate candidate Bernie Moreno over the weekend. Extremism experts say it’s just part of escalating violent rhetoric on the campaign trail. Donald Trump 's descriptions of people from other countries and other racial and ethnic groups as subhuman animals is the kind of language we see in countries before they have ethnic violence or even genocide. It's the kind of language we see when authoritarian movements rise to power. He's appealing to the worst aspects of humanity. It's straight out of the textbooks, and we should be very worried with how mundane it now seems. www.pbs.org/newshour/show/trump-under-fire-again-for-violent-language-and-dehumanizing-anti-immigrant-rhetoric
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Post by Elvado on Jul 15, 2024 8:25:34 GMT -5
I think I know the answer but do you leave open the possibility that hearing every day for 3 years plus that Trump was an “existential threat to Democracy” and “needed to be stopped” might have made it easier for a deranged individual to shoot at him? Have you considered the possibility that you were just flatly wrong? Every minute of every day. Clearly you haven’t.
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Post by hoyajinx on Jul 15, 2024 8:32:13 GMT -5
Have you considered the possibility that you were just flatly wrong? Every minute of every day. Clearly you haven’t. How so? I’ve admitted to be wrong a bunch on here. I can’t think of a single time you’ve ever admitted to being wrong. You simply stop responding when it’s pointed out how wrong you are. But I like evidence, of which there is none for your claims. You seem to NEED to blame democrats for this.
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Post by Elvado on Jul 15, 2024 8:34:33 GMT -5
Every minute of every day. Clearly you haven’t. How so? I’ve admitted to be wrong a bunch on here. I can’t think of a single time you’ve ever admitted to being wrong. You simply stop responding when it’s pointed out how wrong you are. But I like evidence, of which there is none for your claims. You seem to NEED to blame democrats for this. I asked if you leave open the possibility that the rhetoric made it easier for someone to shoot at him. You chose not to answer. Good on you. This is still America.
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Post by hoyajinx on Jul 15, 2024 8:37:59 GMT -5
How so? I’ve admitted to be wrong a bunch on here. I can’t think of a single time you’ve ever admitted to being wrong. You simply stop responding when it’s pointed out how wrong you are. But I like evidence, of which there is none for your claims. You seem to NEED to blame democrats for this. I asked if you leave open the possibility that the rhetoric made it easier for someone to shoot at him. You chose not to answer. Good on you. This is still America. Again, THERE IS NO EVIDENCE HE WAS INFLUENCED BY THE RHETORIC IN ANY WAY. Is there the possibility that he thinks aliens came down and told him to do this? Sure. But there’s no evidence of that either.
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Post by Elvado on Jul 15, 2024 9:42:49 GMT -5
I asked if you leave open the possibility that the rhetoric made it easier for someone to shoot at him. You chose not to answer. Good on you. This is still America. Again, THERE IS NO EVIDENCE HE WAS INFLUENCED BY THE RHETORIC IN ANY WAY. Is there the possibility that he thinks aliens came down and told him to do this? Sure. But there’s no evidence of that either. Okay. So as the investigation continues to unfold, you have already concluded it is not possible that a deranged young man was influenced by a constant drumbeat about Trump being an existential threat to Democracy. As you are apparently omniscient, can you please give me the Powerball numbers? I don’t know if the rhetoric influenced the shooter. We may never know since he is dead. But for you to suggest that it categorically did not is preposterous.
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Post by hoyajinx on Jul 15, 2024 9:56:33 GMT -5
Again, THERE IS NO EVIDENCE HE WAS INFLUENCED BY THE RHETORIC IN ANY WAY. Is there the possibility that he thinks aliens came down and told him to do this? Sure. But there’s no evidence of that either. Okay. So as the investigation continues to unfold, you have already concluded it is not possible that a deranged young man was influenced by a constant drumbeat about Trump being an existential threat to Democracy. As you are apparently omniscient, can you please give me the Powerball numbers? I don’t know if the rhetoric influenced the shooter. We may never know since he is dead. But for you to suggest that it categorically did not is preposterous. You are putting words into my mouth. When did I flatly deny the possibility? You may need to work on reading comprehension. Anything is a possibility. It’s also possible that he decided to do it to inflame tensions and start a civil war that the right keeps calling for. But again, I require evidence. You clearly don’t, as you went off half-cocked all yesterday. So until evidence is provided that he was influenced, I have no reason to believe that’s more likely than any other alternative. You want and need that narrative for some reason, so cool. You do what you want. But until I see clear evidence (the possibility remains that it will arise), you are simply speculating. SS has provided what evidence of being influenced by rhetoric looks like, you have not. What we know is he was a registered Republican, a conservative, and a bit of a gun nut.
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Post by DanMcQ on Jul 15, 2024 14:25:05 GMT -5
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Post by tashoya on Jul 15, 2024 16:44:41 GMT -5
Maybe it's not a good thing to be an existential threat to democracy? The only silver lining I see is that "Republicans" FINALLY care about a shooting of any kind. If that’s where you are… I’ll still pray for you my friend. Enjoy your alternate reality.
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