DanMcQ
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Post by DanMcQ on Jul 14, 2024 9:41:40 GMT -5
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Post by DanMcQ on Jul 14, 2024 9:50:08 GMT -5
Absolutely true.
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Elvado
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Post by Elvado on Jul 14, 2024 10:46:11 GMT -5
Who could have envisioned violence against someone repeatedly called an existential threat to Democracy?
As of now the only existential threat was to Trump’s life..
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AvantGuardHoya
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Post by AvantGuardHoya on Jul 14, 2024 13:24:38 GMT -5
Looks to me like the chickens may have come home to roost...
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Post by tashoya on Jul 14, 2024 16:36:16 GMT -5
Who could have envisioned violence against someone repeatedly called an existential threat to Democracy? As of now the only existential threat was to Trump’s life.. Maybe it's not a good thing to be an existential threat to democracy? The only silver lining I see is that "Republicans" FINALLY care about a shooting of any kind.
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Elvado
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Post by Elvado on Jul 14, 2024 16:58:19 GMT -5
Who could have envisioned violence against someone repeatedly called an existential threat to Democracy? As of now the only existential threat was to Trump’s life.. Maybe it's not a good thing to be an existential threat to democracy? The only silver lining I see is that "Republicans" FINALLY care about a shooting of any kind. If that’s where you are… I’ll still pray for you my friend.
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Massholya
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Post by Massholya on Jul 14, 2024 17:06:25 GMT -5
Who could have envisioned violence against someone repeatedly called an existential threat to Democracy? As of now the only existential threat was to Trump’s life.. Looking like this wasn’t politically motivated. Another school shooter wannabe who decided this was a greater glory. In that sense this could have been worse. Or better from a republican perspective since they don’t really care about school shootings anyways. But since you’re on the topic, are you heading to your local GOP meeting to stand up and say you don’t like your party using charged and demeaning language. I imagine not as you will be laughed out the door (or maybe thrown) and tarred and feathered as a “RINO”. Your “concern” is really touching to see.
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Post by SSHoya on Jul 14, 2024 17:18:20 GMT -5
Next predicted move from radical MAGA GOPers - blame Mayorkas for SS failures since SS now under DHS instead of Treasury.
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Elvado
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Post by Elvado on Jul 14, 2024 17:18:53 GMT -5
Who could have envisioned violence against someone repeatedly called an existential threat to Democracy? As of now the only existential threat was to Trump’s life.. Looking like this wasn’t politically motivated. Another school shooter wannabe who decided this was a greater glory. In that sense this could have been worse. Or better from a republican perspective since they don’t really care about school shootings anyways. But since you’re on the topic, are you heading to your local GOP meeting to stand up and say you don’t like your party using charged and demeaning language. I imagine not as you will be laughed out the door (or maybe thrown) and tarred and feathered as a “RINO”. Your “concern” is really touching to see. I don’t go to political party meetings. However it was only 5 days prior that someone talked about putting a Bullseye on Trump. For years hen has been compared to Hitler, et al and deemed an existential threat to Democracy by hyperventilating, pearl clutching Democrats. When an attempt on his life came , only then was it time to turn down the rhetoric…
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Post by Elvado on Jul 14, 2024 17:21:30 GMT -5
Next predicted move from radical MAGA GOPers - blame Mayorkas for SS failures since SS now under DHS instead of Treasury. No it will be Cheatle. How was that roof not occupied by law enforcement? Direct sight line to the stage and an amateur’s range away. If SS needed local law enforcement to occupy that roof, so be it but leaving that position uncovered was inexcusable.
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Massholya
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Post by Massholya on Jul 14, 2024 17:32:15 GMT -5
Looking like this wasn’t politically motivated. Another school shooter wannabe who decided this was a greater glory. In that sense this could have been worse. Or better from a republican perspective since they don’t really care about school shootings anyways. But since you’re on the topic, are you heading to your local GOP meeting to stand up and say you don’t like your party using charged and demeaning language. I imagine not as you will be laughed out the door (or maybe thrown) and tarred and feathered as a “RINO”. Your “concern” is really touching to see. I don’t go to political party meetings. However it was only 5 days prior that someone talked about putting a Bullseye on Trump. For years hen has been compared to Hitler, et al and deemed an existential threat to Democracy by hyperventilating, pearl clutching Democrats. When an attempt on his life came , only then was it time to turn down the rhetoric… So you think this guy decided to do this because of said “Bullseye” comment? Were there also pictures of trump within a bullseye? Do you remember those? If your point is only (always) to point out false equivalences then maybe I should just try to ignore them because it doesn’t seem like you really care about most of things you post about. Do you really want to get rid of politically dangerous speech or do you just want to say “everybody does it” even though there seem to be more everybodies in one party than in another. Personally I would love to see less anger and more decorum from both sides. I would love to see a lot less Calvin Editeding on Biden bumper stickers (and no I have never seen one of those with Calvin Editeding on trump). So it isn’t the same even though you seem intent on suggesting otherwise.
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Post by hoyajinx on Jul 14, 2024 17:36:43 GMT -5
Looking like this wasn’t politically motivated. Another school shooter wannabe who decided this was a greater glory. In that sense this could have been worse. Or better from a republican perspective since they don’t really care about school shootings anyways. But since you’re on the topic, are you heading to your local GOP meeting to stand up and say you don’t like your party using charged and demeaning language. I imagine not as you will be laughed out the door (or maybe thrown) and tarred and feathered as a “RINO”. Your “concern” is really touching to see. I don’t go to political party meetings. However it was only 5 days prior that someone talked about putting a Bullseye on Trump. For years hen has been compared to Hitler, et al and deemed an existential threat to Democracy by hyperventilating, pearl clutching Democrats. When an attempt on his life came , only then was it time to turn down the rhetoric… Oh spare me with your BS. I wasn’t going to chime in but I’ve had enough of your nonsense. When Paul Pelosi was attacked by a politically motivated whack job it was a huge joke to you guys. Trump is the king of inflammatory rhetoric. He literally used rhetoric directly taken from Hitler. If he didn’t want to be compared to Hitler or other fascists, maybe he should stop acting and talking like one. It’s not pearl clutching. That’s your job. Project 2025 is the outline for autocratic, fascist rule, and, despite Trump’s lying, he’s fully on board. The Heritage Foundation is doing a whole day of policy at the RNC. He remains an existential threat to democracy unless this has somehow sobered him. Somehow I doubt it has.
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Post by Elvado on Jul 14, 2024 17:38:46 GMT -5
I don’t go to political party meetings. However it was only 5 days prior that someone talked about putting a Bullseye on Trump. For years hen has been compared to Hitler, et al and deemed an existential threat to Democracy by hyperventilating, pearl clutching Democrats. When an attempt on his life came , only then was it time to turn down the rhetoric… Oh spare me with your BS. I wasn’t going to chime in but I’ve had enough of your nonsense. When Paul Pelosi was attacked by a politically motivated whack job it was a huge joke to you guys. Trump is the king of inflammatory rhetoric. He literally used rhetoric directly taken from Hitler. If he didn’t want to be compared to Hitler or other fascists, maybe he should stop acting and talking like one. It’s not pearl clutching. That’s your job. Project 2025 is the outline for autocratic, fascist rule, and, despite Trump’s lying, he’s fully on board. The Heritage Foundation is doing a whole day of policy at the RNC. He remains an existential threat to democracy unless this has somehow sobered him. Somehow I doubt it has. So he had this coming?
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Post by hoyajinx on Jul 14, 2024 17:48:43 GMT -5
Oh spare me with your BS. I wasn’t going to chime in but I’ve had enough of your nonsense. When Paul Pelosi was attacked by a politically motivated whack job it was a huge joke to you guys. Trump is the king of inflammatory rhetoric. He literally used rhetoric directly taken from Hitler. If he didn’t want to be compared to Hitler or other fascists, maybe he should stop acting and talking like one. It’s not pearl clutching. That’s your job. Project 2025 is the outline for autocratic, fascist rule, and, despite Trump’s lying, he’s fully on board. The Heritage Foundation is doing a whole day of policy at the RNC. He remains an existential threat to democracy unless this has somehow sobered him. Somehow I doubt it has. So he had this coming? That’s not what I said at all. I’m responding to your blaming people calling Trump a fascist for this and your “pearl-clutching” about political violence now when you guys thought it was a big joke before. It’s odd that the people who refuse to admit that Trump was responsible for January 6 when he gathered them there and then sent them to the Capitol are claiming that Biden is 100% responsible for this because he said something stupid five days ago. It’s so appallingly dishonest. Your side has been downplaying political violence for the last three years, going so far as to call the perpetrators of that violence “political prisoners. I could not be happier that Trump didn’t die yesterday. I cannot imagine what that would have done to this country.
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Post by Elvado on Jul 14, 2024 17:58:28 GMT -5
That’s not what I said at all. I’m responding to your blaming people calling Trump a fascist for this and your “pearl-clutching” about political violence now when you guys thought it was a big joke before. It’s odd that the people who refuse to admit that Trump was responsible for January 6 when he gathered them there and then sent them to the Capitol are claiming that Biden is 100% responsible for this because he said something stupid five days ago. It’s so appallingly dishonest. Your side has been downplaying political violence for the last three years, going so far as to call the perpetrators of that violence “political prisoners. I could not be happier that Trump didn’t die yesterday. I cannot imagine what that would have done to this country. Biden is not 100% responsible for any of this. That said, he and his party have a grand old time with this existential threat label and the fascist label. Trump was President for 4 years already and the Republic survived. The left needs to take a collective breath.
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Post by hoyajinx on Jul 14, 2024 18:09:20 GMT -5
That’s not what I said at all. I’m responding to your blaming people calling Trump a fascist for this and your “pearl-clutching” about political violence now when you guys thought it was a big joke before. It’s odd that the people who refuse to admit that Trump was responsible for January 6 when he gathered them there and then sent them to the Capitol are claiming that Biden is 100% responsible for this because he said something stupid five days ago. It’s so appallingly dishonest. Your side has been downplaying political violence for the last three years, going so far as to call the perpetrators of that violence “political prisoners. I could not be happier that Trump didn’t die yesterday. I cannot imagine what that would have done to this country. Biden is not 100% responsible for any of this. That said, he and his party have a grand old time with this existential threat label and the fascist label. Trump was President for 4 years already and the Republic survived. The left needs to take a collective breath. Barely survived. It was literally the first violent transfer of power in American history. And this time around he has ONLY loyalists surrounding him. There is no one there to curb his worst instincts, only those who enable him. There is a reason why 40 of 44 of his former cabinet members think he’s unfit to be president again. Unless, of course, you have more inside info than they do and know better than them?
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Post by Elvado on Jul 14, 2024 18:12:13 GMT -5
Biden is not 100% responsible for any of this. That said, he and his party have a grand old time with this existential threat label and the fascist label. Trump was President for 4 years already and the Republic survived. The left needs to take a collective breath. Barely survived. It was literally the first violent transfer of power in American history. And this time around he has ONLY loyalists surrounding him. There is no one there to curb his worst instincts, only those who enable him. There is a reason why 40 of 44 of his former cabinet members think he’s unfit to be president again. Unless, of course, you have more inside info than they do and know better than them? No. I have no more information than any other member of republic. I am just not your level of alarmist. Peace. I hope.
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Post by happyhoya1979 on Jul 14, 2024 18:14:42 GMT -5
Next predicted move from radical MAGA GOPers - blame Mayorkas for SS failures since SS now under DHS instead of Treasury. Elon Musk is correct, it was either deliberate or grossly incompetent. People will debate that until Congress comperes its hearings next week. I am more interested in what Biden needs to do at this moment to restore any sense of competence of the government or sense of security of the American people in its democratic process. Joe Biden actually needs to get on national TV tonight and fire the SS leadership involved in this debacle, both at the detail and senior leadership levels. There was no accountability for the Afghan withdrawal debacle, the Russian invasion of Ukraine debacle, the ongoing border debacle, the failed 9 month hostage negotiations with Hammas (won't call it a debacle yet) and the October 7 attack on Israel debacle. No one in America thinks this man has the ability to demand accountability from anyone for anything. There is no excuse for a shooter to be on a roof within firing range of a speaker. "I tried hard" or "I showed up for work on time" or "wore my badge in the right place", or "was stationed correctly but just missed it", "only two innocent civilans were killed " doesn't cut it and shouldn't "cut it" in a Presidential administration. And if Biden doesn't fire someone from SS in the chain for this, what will it do for the conspiracy theorists who think it was deliberate or noticed the coincidence that the attack occured right before the Republican Presidential candidate was going to choose his VP. If Trump had been killed without a designated VP, the entire Republican opposition would have collapsed right before its convention. Coincidences like this are too dangerous where the country is right now. Biden has to act and fire.
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Post by hoyajinx on Jul 14, 2024 18:15:42 GMT -5
Barely survived. It was literally the first violent transfer of power in American history. And this time around he has ONLY loyalists surrounding him. There is no one there to curb his worst instincts, only those who enable him. There is a reason why 40 of 44 of his former cabinet members think he’s unfit to be president again. Unless, of course, you have more inside info than they do and know better than them? No. I have no more information than any other member of republic. I am just not your level of alarmist. Peace. I hope. Yeah. I’m an alarmist for pointing out the obvious. People who said Row was going to be overturned were called alarmists too and that never came to pass. Oh, wait…
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Elvado
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Post by Elvado on Jul 14, 2024 18:18:29 GMT -5
No. I have no more information than any other member of republic. I am just not your level of alarmist. Peace. I hope. Yeah. I’m an alarmist for pointing out the obvious. People who said Row was going to be overturned were called alarmists too and that never came to pass. Oh, wait… Again, I wish you peace and more faith in the Republic. It has been through worse.
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