bigskyhoya
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Post by bigskyhoya on Apr 7, 2023 8:40:51 GMT -5
Jeff Green. Enough said. One of my favorite Hoyas. Great player. Class act. We need more player-ambassadors like him. |
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EasyEd
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Post by EasyEd on Apr 7, 2023 9:11:25 GMT -5
In addition to winning the g-league championship chipping in 30 with 8 assists, Mac's average for the entire season: 19.8 points, 54.8 FG%, 47.4 3PT%, 2.7 RB, 5.0 ASST.
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Post by professorhoya on Apr 7, 2023 9:14:51 GMT -5
Delaware Blue Coats win G League championship. Tale of 2 former Hoyas, McClung with 30/8/4 and Aminu in the trillion club Box Score Not knocking the kid, as his rating wasn’t his doing, but he has to be one of the least successful 5* / McD’s AA kids in recent memory. I know Ewing did him no favors for his development, but his HS rankings were pretty inflated in hindsight. His competition might have made him a tougher evaluation. Seems he would have been better served staying in college, even if that meant going to another program. If he can’t get minutes in the G League now, it’s probably not going to work out at that level ever. It’s too bad, as he seems like a really solid kid, but maybe he was given bad advice (including coming here to play for Ewing) along the way. Not sure how you can compare the two when McClung has played three years of college ball and two years or pro ball compared to Aminus one year college and one year pro |
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hoyaboya
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Post by hoyaboya on Apr 7, 2023 9:39:58 GMT -5
Delaware Blue Coats win G League championship. Tale of 2 former Hoyas, McClung with 30/8/4 and Aminu in the trillion club Box Score Not knocking the kid, as his rating wasn’t his doing, but he has to be one of the least successful 5* / McD’s AA kids in recent memory. I know Ewing did him no favors for his development, but his HS rankings were pretty inflated in hindsight. His competition might have made him a tougher evaluation. Seems he would have been better served staying in college, even if that meant going to another program. If he can’t get minutes in the G League now, it’s probably not going to work out at that level ever. It’s too bad, as he seems like a really solid kid, but maybe he was given bad advice (including coming here to play for Ewing) along the way. Aminu was definitely given bad advice - he was bought and paid for by his handler. Have to feel for the kid (and those like him who come over from Africa and are used by the middle men). |
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Post by Lethal_Interjection on Apr 7, 2023 9:44:38 GMT -5
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Post by hoyasaxaphone on Apr 7, 2023 10:20:31 GMT -5
In addition to winning the g-league championship chipping in 30 with 8 assists, Mac's average for the entire season: 19.8 points, 54.8 FG%, 47.4 3PT%, 2.7 RB, 5.0 ASST. McClung's numbers are insane. How did he improve so much? Didn't really see that progression in college where, post Georgetown, he was pretty much the same player (statistically) on a better team. Good for him though. |
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iowa80
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Post by iowa80 on Apr 7, 2023 14:50:53 GMT -5
In addition to winning the g-league championship chipping in 30 with 8 assists, Mac's average for the entire season: 19.8 points, 54.8 FG%, 47.4 3PT%, 2.7 RB, 5.0 ASST. McClung's numbers are insane. How did he improve so much? Didn't really see that progression in college where, post Georgetown, he was pretty much the same player (statistically) on a better team. Good for him though. You really have to account for the idea of “defense” in the G League. Some players will benefit from the lack thereof more than others. |
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Post by cgallstar02 on Apr 7, 2023 17:12:35 GMT -5
McClung's numbers are insane. How did he improve so much? Didn't really see that progression in college where, post Georgetown, he was pretty much the same player (statistically) on a better team. Good for him though. You really have to account for the idea of “defense” in the G League. Some players will benefit from the lack thereof more than others. Or another crazy idea, he actually worked hard, which combined with the elite athleticism he always had and the fact he started playing later in life than most kids, meant he came into college rawer and with more room to grow as a player. Also, this wasn't an instant transformation, if you look at the numbers there's been progression as a shooter each year since college. His 3 point percentage went from 28 as a freshman, 32 as a sophomore, 34 as a junior, 37, his first season in the G League, to 47 this season. The reason for the big jump this year? His role. At South Bay he played about 36 mins and had the ball in his hands, creating for himself and others. With Delaware, his minutes dropped to about 26 a game, and he played much more off the ball with the forwards Louis King and Braxton Key doing a lot of the play making. This meant 1, fresher legs, and 2, was the difference between taking a bunch of off balance pull up 3's with a hand in his face that he created himself off the dribble, vs feet set, open looks at the basket that someone else created for him. The lack of defense you account for in the G League applies to the NBA as well, or how do you explain guys like Russell Westbrook that average 12 4 and 4 in college to 30 point triple doubles in the NBA? There's also a lot more to it than lack of defense. Longer games, shorter shot clocks, faster pace, significantly better floor spacing. In the end athleticism translates far better to the pro game than college. Also, if you watched either of these finals games, I can assure RGV was not, not playing defense. Both teams really wanted to win. RGV had their best perimeter defender on Mac the majority of both games. He still averaged 33 and 8. It's funny, cus all through high school the naysayers narrative was "look who he's playing against, he can only dominate against short white guys like him, he'll never do that at the next level." Then when he's going up against nothing but 6'6 to 7'0 guys, pretty much all of whom were elite high school and college players... the narrative shifts to "well they're not playing defense." Some people decided a long time ago that he was trash and will continue to find ways to minimize and underplay his accomplishments instead of ever actually giving credit and saying "wow, he worked hard and got a lot better." In college, how many people would've took Mac over Tyshon Alexander? Yet Tyshon was on this Blue Coats team and was a healthy DNP in every playoff game while Mac was busy leading the way. In the end a player once thought to be an inefficient, low b-ball iq, ball hog, finished the regular season 2nd in points per 48, 2nd in offensive win shares, 2nd in 3 point percentage, had a better than 3 to 1 assist to turnover ratio (higher than Akinjo), and averaged 33 8 and 4 in the finals to lead his team to their first G League championship. |
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iowa80
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Post by iowa80 on Apr 7, 2023 18:56:26 GMT -5
You really have to account for the idea of “defense” in the G League. Some players will benefit from the lack thereof more than others. Or another crazy idea, he actually worked hard, which combined with the elite athleticism he always had and the fact he started playing later in life than most kids, meant he came into college rawer and with more room to grow as a player. Also, this wasn't an instant transformation, if you look at the numbers there's been progression as a shooter each year since college. His 3 point percentage went from 28 as a freshman, 32 as a sophomore, 34 as a junior, 37, his first season in the G League, to 47 this season. The reason for the big jump this year? His role. At South Bay he played about 36 mins and had the ball in his hands, creating for himself and others. With Delaware, his minutes dropped to about 26 a game, and he played much more off the ball with the forwards Louis King and Braxton Key doing a lot of the play making. This meant 1, fresher legs, and 2, was the difference between taking a bunch of off balance pull up 3's with a hand in his face that he created himself off the dribble, vs feet set, open looks at the basket that someone else created for him. The lack of defense you account for in the G League applies to the NBA as well, or how do you explain guys like Russell Westbrook that average 12 4 and 4 in college to 30 point triple doubles in the NBA? There's also a lot more to it than lack of defense. Longer games, shorter shot clocks, faster pace, significantly better floor spacing. In the end athleticism translates far better to the pro game than college. Also, if you watched either of these finals games, I can assure RGV was not, not playing defense. Both teams really wanted to win. RGV had their best perimeter defender on Mac the majority of both games. He still averaged 33 and 8. It's funny, cus all through high school the naysayers narrative was "look who he's playing against, he can only dominate against short white guys like him, he'll never do that at the next level." Then when he's going up against nothing but 6'6 to 7'0 guys, pretty much all of whom were elite high school and college players... the narrative shifts to "well they're not playing defense." Some people decided a long time ago that he was trash and will continue to find ways to minimize and underplay his accomplishments instead of ever actually giving credit and saying "wow, he worked hard and got a lot better." In college, how many people would've took Mac over Tyshon Alexander? Yet Tyshon was on this Blue Coats team and was a healthy DNP in every playoff game while Mac was busy leading the way. In the end a player once thought to be an inefficient, low b-ball iq, ball hog, finished the regular season 2nd in points per 48, 2nd in offensive win shares, 2nd in 3 point percentage, had a better than 3 to 1 assist to turnover ratio (higher than Akinjo), and averaged 33 8 and 4 in the finals to lead his team to their first G League championship. That's all well and good, and I understand your points. I also understand that any comment that could be even be mildly interpreted as reflecting on Mac will draw a response from you. |
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jackofjoy
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Post by jackofjoy on Apr 7, 2023 19:45:22 GMT -5
In addition to winning the g-league championship chipping in 30 with 8 assists, Mac's average for the entire season: 19.8 points, 54.8 FG%, 47.4 3PT%, 2.7 RB, 5.0 ASST. McClung's numbers are insane. How did he improve so much? Didn't really see that progression in college where, post Georgetown, he was pretty much the same player (statistically) on a better team. Good for him though. Never discount middle-class rural white kids with athleticism. Major chips on shoulders. |
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Post by professorhoya on Apr 7, 2023 20:09:29 GMT -5
You really have to account for the idea of “defense” in the G League. Some players will benefit from the lack thereof more than others. Or another crazy idea, he actually worked hard, which combined with the elite athleticism he always had and the fact he started playing later in life than most kids, meant he came into college rawer and with more room to grow as a player. Also, this wasn't an instant transformation, if you look at the numbers there's been progression as a shooter each year since college. His 3 point percentage went from 28 as a freshman, 32 as a sophomore, 34 as a junior, 37, his first season in the G League, to 47 this season. The reason for the big jump this year? His role. At South Bay he played about 36 mins and had the ball in his hands, creating for himself and others. With Delaware, his minutes dropped to about 26 a game, and he played much more off the ball with the forwards Louis King and Braxton Key doing a lot of the play making. This meant 1, fresher legs, and 2, was the difference between taking a bunch of off balance pull up 3's with a hand in his face that he created himself off the dribble, vs feet set, open looks at the basket that someone else created for him. The lack of defense you account for in the G League applies to the NBA as well, or how do you explain guys like Russell Westbrook that average 12 4 and 4 in college to 30 point triple doubles in the NBA? There's also a lot more to it than lack of defense. Longer games, shorter shot clocks, faster pace, significantly better floor spacing. In the end athleticism translates far better to the pro game than college. Also, if you watched either of these finals games, I can assure RGV was not, not playing defense. Both teams really wanted to win. RGV had their best perimeter defender on Mac the majority of both games. He still averaged 33 and 8. It's funny, cus all through high school the naysayers narrative was "look who he's playing against, he can only dominate against short white guys like him, he'll never do that at the next level." Then when he's going up against nothing but 6'6 to 7'0 guys, pretty much all of whom were elite high school and college players... the narrative shifts to "well they're not playing defense." Some people decided a long time ago that he was trash and will continue to find ways to minimize and underplay his accomplishments instead of ever actually giving credit and saying "wow, he worked hard and got a lot better." In college, how many people would've took Mac over Tyshon Alexander? Yet Tyshon was on this Blue Coats team and was a healthy DNP in every playoff game while Mac was busy leading the way. In the end a player once thought to be an inefficient, low b-ball iq, ball hog, finished the regular season 2nd in points per 48, 2nd in offensive win shares, 2nd in 3 point percentage, had a better than 3 to 1 assist to turnover ratio (higher than Akinjo), and averaged 33 8 and 4 in the finals to lead his team to their first G League championship. Is that Mac in the shooting practice with Curry? |
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saxagael
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Post by saxagael on Apr 7, 2023 20:11:45 GMT -5
Not knocking the kid, as his rating wasn’t his doing, but he has to be one of the least successful 5* / McD’s AA kids in recent memory. I know Ewing did him no favors for his development, but his HS rankings were pretty inflated in hindsight. His competition might have made him a tougher evaluation. Seems he would have been better served staying in college, even if that meant going to another program. If he can’t get minutes in the G League now, it’s probably not going to work out at that level ever. It’s too bad, as he seems like a really solid kid, but maybe he was given bad advice (including coming here to play for Ewing) along the way. Not sure how you can compare the two when McClung has played three years of college ball and two years or pro ball compared to Aminus one year college and one year pro Mac got a lot of play time his first year in G-League and did rather well with the minutes. Aminu has had minimal minutes and does okay with points, but turnovers and other ratings are pretty poor. Mac did have 3 more years of improvement and coaching than Aminu and it that shows a quite a bit. The comparison in their games is sort of interesting. Mac's three point game has become decent, but his biggest knock with most NBA squads he was on is his really poor defense. This year he has worked a lot on it and has improved quite a bit, he isn't great but isn't bad. He passes well and and can get points. Not really a point guard, but is alright there as a back-up. Aminu has strong defense, but struggles shooting outside (more than college) and doesn't quite seem to undertsand the game off ball and what he should be doing, but doesn't have on ball skills either. He is really odd to watch. He looks lost a lot. He really would have benefitted with a couple years of college with a really good coach to hone his game. |
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Post by professorhoya on Apr 8, 2023 10:48:49 GMT -5
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Post by cgallstar02 on Apr 8, 2023 20:50:04 GMT -5
Not sure how you can compare the two when McClung has played three years of college ball and two years or pro ball compared to Aminus one year college and one year pro Mac got a lot of play time his first year in G-League and did rather well with the minutes. Aminu has had minimal minutes and does okay with points, but turnovers and other ratings are pretty poor. Mac did have 3 more years of improvement and coaching than Aminu and it that shows a quite a bit. The comparison in their games is sort of interesting. Mac's three point game has become decent, but his biggest knock with most NBA squads he was on is his really poor defense. This year he has worked a lot on it and has improved quite a bit, he isn't great but isn't bad. He passes well and and can get points. Not really a point guard, but is alright there as a back-up. Aminu has strong defense, but struggles shooting outside (more than college) and doesn't quite seem to undertsand the game off ball and what he should be doing, but doesn't have on ball skills either. He is really odd to watch. He looks lost a lot. He really would have benefitted with a couple years of college with a really good coach to hone his game. Aminu only had one stretch of maybe 5-8 games where he played real rotation minutes. Early in the season the 76ers real team had a bunch of injuries and both 2 way guys got called up, plus the G League team had a couple guys out with injury. To be fair to Aminu, the Blue Coats had a ton of talent, especially at the 2 and 3 spot, so it was going to be a hard rotation to crack. He probably couldn't have chose a worse team to play for, as I imagine most other G League teams would've featured him in their rotation. The Blue Coats had probably 15 or so players with NBA experience on the roster at one point or another during the season. For perspective, Patrick McCaw a guy with 3 NBA rings who's still only 27 came off the bench all season and played about 20 mins per game. As for his game, as others stated, there's some raw talent and physical tools there that would have been better served with at least another year of college. The Harmon guy has really done this kid no favors. First sending him to play for PE, then telling him to enter the draft, and my guess is he had multiple exhibit 10 offers but Harmon told him to pick Philly. He really whiffed on all three choices. |
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Post by saxagael on Apr 9, 2023 11:16:34 GMT -5
Mac got a lot of play time his first year in G-League and did rather well with the minutes. Aminu has had minimal minutes and does okay with points, but turnovers and other ratings are pretty poor. Mac did have 3 more years of improvement and coaching than Aminu and it that shows a quite a bit. The comparison in their games is sort of interesting. Mac's three point game has become decent, but his biggest knock with most NBA squads he was on is his really poor defense. This year he has worked a lot on it and has improved quite a bit, he isn't great but isn't bad. He passes well and and can get points. Not really a point guard, but is alright there as a back-up. Aminu has strong defense, but struggles shooting outside (more than college) and doesn't quite seem to undertsand the game off ball and what he should be doing, but doesn't have on ball skills either. He is really odd to watch. He looks lost a lot. He really would have benefitted with a couple years of college with a really good coach to hone his game. Aminu only had one stretch of maybe 5-8 games where he played real rotation minutes. Early in the season the 76ers real team had a bunch of injuries and both 2 way guys got called up, plus the G League team had a couple guys out with injury. To be fair to Aminu, the Blue Coats had a ton of talent, especially at the 2 and 3 spot, so it was going to be a hard rotation to crack. He probably couldn't have chose a worse team to play for, as I imagine most other G League teams would've featured him in their rotation. The Blue Coats had probably 15 or so players with NBA experience on the roster at one point or another during the season. For perspective, Patrick McCaw a guy with 3 NBA rings who's still only 27 came off the bench all season and played about 20 mins per game. As for his game, as others stated, there's some raw talent and physical tools there that would have been better served with at least another year of college. The Harmon guy has really done this kid no favors. First sending him to play for PE, then telling him to enter the draft, and my guess is he had multiple exhibit 10 offers but Harmon told him to pick Philly. He really whiffed on all three choices. Yes, he didn't get much playing time. There are at least a couple compilation videos of Aminu' stretches of playing time. I watched a two or three games that he got in for 1 minute or two. |
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Post by Lethal_Interjection on Apr 9, 2023 12:15:58 GMT -5
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EasyEd
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Post by EasyEd on Apr 9, 2023 16:35:56 GMT -5
McClung with 20 points, 8 rebounds, and 8 assists for 76ers today.
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Post by bluechi on Apr 9, 2023 18:12:32 GMT -5
In addition to winning the g-league championship chipping in 30 with 8 assists, Mac's average for the entire season: 19.8 points, 54.8 FG%, 47.4 3PT%, 2.7 RB, 5.0 ASST. McClung's numbers are insane. How did he improve so much? Didn't really see that progression in college where, post Georgetown, he was pretty much the same player (statistically) on a better team. Good for him though. Well, we know he is a hard worker. Hard work with talent pays big dividends. Although there could be a little conspiracy theory thrown in there  |
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Post by bluechi on Apr 9, 2023 18:17:35 GMT -5
Aminu only had one stretch of maybe 5-8 games where he played real rotation minutes. Early in the season the 76ers real team had a bunch of injuries and both 2 way guys got called up, plus the G League team had a couple guys out with injury. To be fair to Aminu, the Blue Coats had a ton of talent, especially at the 2 and 3 spot, so it was going to be a hard rotation to crack. He probably couldn't have chose a worse team to play for, as I imagine most other G League teams would've featured him in their rotation. The Blue Coats had probably 15 or so players with NBA experience on the roster at one point or another during the season. For perspective, Patrick McCaw a guy with 3 NBA rings who's still only 27 came off the bench all season and played about 20 mins per game. As for his game, as others stated, there's some raw talent and physical tools there that would have been better served with at least another year of college. The Harmon guy has really done this kid no favors. First sending him to play for PE, then telling him to enter the draft, and my guess is he had multiple exhibit 10 offers but Harmon told him to pick Philly. He really whiffed on all three choices. Yes, he didn't get much playing time. There are at least a couple compilation videos of Aminu' stretches of playing time. I watched a two or three games that he got in for 1 minute or two. Aminu had difficulty finishing in traffic and sometimes 1-v-1. That is one of the most important aspects of being in the league. Also, he was not very creative athletically. He needs to become an exceptional specialist at something (defending) to continue his NBA opportunity. |
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Post by hoyaboya on Apr 9, 2023 18:50:58 GMT -5
Yes, he didn't get much playing time. There are at least a couple compilation videos of Aminu' stretches of playing time. I watched a two or three games that he got in for 1 minute or two. Aminu had difficulty finishing in traffic and sometimes 1-v-1. That is one of the most important aspects of being in the league. Also, he was not very creative athletically. He needs to become an exceptional specialist at something (defending) to continue his NBA opportunity. Bullied people since junior high as he was always bigger and stronger than everybody, combined with a great motor. That advantage stopped in college and is non-existent in the pros. Kid never developed basketball skills as he was being brought along by his handler. |
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