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Post by DanMcQ on Jul 7, 2022 13:39:22 GMT -5
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Post by calhoya on Jul 7, 2022 14:21:05 GMT -5
Wonder what the fans in Syracuse, Pitt, Boston College and Louisville are thinking right now as they face the prospect of becoming part of a new look ACC. Certainly not the one they bought into. |
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Post by dense on Jul 7, 2022 19:50:14 GMT -5
I doubt the ACC survives this since ESPn will probably get their TV deal voided. Clemson and FSU football bring in so much revenue.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jul 8, 2022 0:00:04 GMT -5
I would leave the BE in a second for the ACC to be aligned with academic peers like Duke & BC and play Syracuse. The BE is an academic sh*t show.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2022 7:07:24 GMT -5
I would leave the BE in a second for the ACC to be aligned with academic peers like Duke & BC and play Syracuse. The BE is an academic sh*t show. The rumor being tossed around is BC, Duke, and Cuse to the BE, but independent in football. Who knows, you’d have to think there would be another domino effect if VA, Fl St, UNC, and Clemson follow through (which seems highly likely). |
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Post by hoya9797 on Jul 8, 2022 7:30:54 GMT -5
I would leave the BE in a second for the ACC to be aligned with academic peers like Duke & BC and play Syracuse. The BE is an academic sh*t show. GU mens basketball would be last in the ACC as measured by APR by a very wide margin. |
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jul 8, 2022 8:30:05 GMT -5
I would leave the BE in a second for the ACC to be aligned with academic peers like Duke & BC and play Syracuse. The BE is an academic sh*t show. The rumor being tossed around is BC, Duke, and Cuse to the BE, but independent in football. Who knows, you’d have to think there would be another domino effect if VA, Fl St, UNC, and Clemson follow through (which seems highly likely). For pure basketball purposes, that scenario would be great for the Big East. Regaining the rivalry with Syracuse would be ideal (you really cannot have a rivalry with a team that you play once a year in a game with little meaning). My major concern with any moves is that I don't want the Big East to lose the indepdenence it has by being completely separate from football. But, I am fine with any arrangement like the UConn one where football is kept independent. |
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Post by prhoya on Jul 8, 2022 8:40:04 GMT -5
I would leave the BE in a second for the ACC to be aligned with academic peers like Duke & BC and play Syracuse. The BE is an academic sh*t show. People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. All of our BE basketball peers are better academically than the Ewing/Ronny/DeGioia’s Hoyas. |
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Post by Elvado on Jul 8, 2022 8:40:14 GMT -5
Like musical chairs played for millions.
Don’t want to be standing when the music stops.
Would love to see Syracuse, BC and Pitt all get humped.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jul 8, 2022 9:37:14 GMT -5
I would leave the BE in a second for the ACC to be aligned with academic peers like Duke & BC and play Syracuse. The BE is an academic sh*t show. People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. All of our BE basketball peers are better academically than the Ewing/Ronny/DeGioia’s Hoyas. I realize that schools in the Big 10 and ACC sometimes throw out the academic thing, but I think the idea that academics have anything to do with sports is illusory. To the extent that schools are better/worse than others academically in a sports conference, it is largely historical and coincidental. For example, if Georgetown had somehow kept Division I-A football back in the day, there's a good chance we'd be in the ACC already. If Duke disbanded their Division I-A football like Georgetown did, they'd likely be in the Big East. While I think in a theoretical world, it'd be great to be aligned with academic peers, purely from a basketball perspective, I want to be in a stable, high quality basketball conference (even if we aren't high quality on the court at the moment). It is important to remember that outside the sports arena, most people concerned with academics really do not care about sports at all, much less what conference a university is part of. |
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Post by seaweed on Jul 8, 2022 10:05:48 GMT -5
The last thing I want is Duke fans in MSG in March. Sure it would be great for the conference writ large, but bloody hell!
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Post by bostonfan on Jul 8, 2022 10:31:04 GMT -5
Like musical chairs played for millions. Don’t want to be standing when the music stops. Would love to see Syracuse, BC and Pitt all get humped. The conference realignment thing is troubling in that it is such a blatantly obvious money grab on the parts of the schools making the moves. I understand that college sports is big business at this point, especially the football side of it, but at some point you would think some school president would step back and say, "is this really the best thing for all of our student athletes or is it just to help our financial position with more football money?" If the Big East is really going to open up to some of these rumored schools, I hope they do look at how those schools fit with the current roster of schools and then find a way to lock up the new members for a long time so they do not need to go through this mess again the next time someone waves a bag of money in front of a few schools. I am sure the Big East leadership is looking at the schools who might be in play and seeing how they would compliment the current conference and how the new members could add new TV markets and other strategic advantages. |
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Post by hoyaboya on Jul 8, 2022 10:40:29 GMT -5
Like musical chairs played for millions. Don’t want to be standing when the music stops. Would love to see Syracuse, BC and Pitt all get humped. The conference realignment thing is troubling in that it is such a blatantly obvious money grab on the parts of the schools making the moves. I understand that college sports is big business at this point, especially the football side of it, but at some point you would think some school president would step back and say, "is this really the best thing for all of our student athletes or is it just to help our financial position with more football money?" If the Big East is really going to open up to some of these rumored schools, I hope they do look at how those schools fit with the current roster of schools and then find a way to lock up the new members for a long time so they do not need to go through this mess again the next time someone waves a bag of money in front of a few schools. I am sure the Big East leadership is looking at the schools who might be in play and seeing how they would compliment the current conference and how the new members could add new TV markets and other strategic advantages. Football money trumps everything and the university presidents would be foolish not to chase as much of it as possible - it's the way of the world. The amount of money is so large that it helps universities build new facilities, new academic programs, and gain access to better talent. If you haven't visited an SEC school in the last ten years, I suggest you do so - new buildings everywhere and academic ratings rising. Georgetown unfortunately does not play that game and over time will be at a major strategic disadvantage as a university. |
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jul 8, 2022 13:53:10 GMT -5
I realize that schools in the Big 10 and ACC sometimes throw out the academic thing, but I think the idea that academics have anything to do with sports is illusory. To the extent that schools are better/worse than others academically in a sports conference, it is largely historical and coincidental. For example, if Georgetown had somehow kept Division I-A football back in the day, there's a good chance we'd be in the ACC already. If Duke disbanded their Division I-A football like Georgetown did, they'd likely be in the Big East. Yes and no. For the first 40 years of the 20th Century, Georgetown was clearly the biggest football team in the region. Until 1949, Maryland played at a 5,000 seat stadium. What happened? Georgetown had all the momentum entering WWII (games at a pro sports stadium, AP Top 20, Orange Bowl, scheduled opponents like Ole Miss, NC State, and Auburn) and lost it thereafter. They couldn't see or envision where a conference would help them, and lost its scheduling priority at Griffith Stadium, which left them with as few as three home games a year, one or two of which would be on Friday evenings. They kept Jack Hagerty around too long and replaced him with a 24 year old with no prior head coaching experience. Meanwhile, Jim Tatum comes in and sets Maryland on fire, gets its college president (and former Georgetown QB) H.C. Byrd to build a 35,000 seat stadium, which Byrd named after himself. Tatum takes the Terrapins to three bowl games in his first five years and finishes #3 in the 1951 AP poll. Maryland was on the edge of the Southern Conference along with GW, but the six departing schools leaving for the ACC saw the potential. It's hard to see where Georgetown would have received the same attention. Why would Duke have dropped football? Certainly not in the 1950's or 1960's, where it was arguably the best program in the ACC. Even if they had pulled a Tulane and left the ACC, there was always a set of second-tier schools to play: Richmond, W&M, Virginia Tech, VMI, Davidson, East Carolina. Part of Georgetown's enduring problem is a lack of available opponents to play. There are just two FCS programs in a 100 mile radius of Georgetown and the school doesn't play either one of them. For anyone interested in more about the late stage of major college football at Georgetown, this article: www.hoyafootball.com/features/1951.htm |
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Post by wyattrox on Jul 8, 2022 14:54:49 GMT -5
I am rooting for the ACC to figure out a way to add Oregon, Washington, Stanford, and Notre Dame to open up a way to get Cal and Gonzaga to the Big East.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jul 8, 2022 15:12:53 GMT -5
I am rooting for the ACC to figure out a way to add Oregon, Washington, Stanford, and Notre Dame to open up a way to get Cal and Gonzaga to the Big East. Coast to-coast scheduling would be challenging. Don’t see Cal as a fit for BE, large public school with football. |
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Post by jhoya23 on Jul 8, 2022 15:22:05 GMT -5
It appears as if another massive conference realignment is on the horizon. UCLA and USC are confirmed to be leaving the PAC-12 for the Big 10 and Texas and Oklahoma the Big 12 for the SEC. There is a general sense that college football is moving to two mega conferences with major programs not currently associated looking to join in order to get some of that sweet sweet football money.
So what does that mean for the future of the Big East? Would universities with major basketball programs and lackluster football programs who are left out of the mega conferences be enticed by the Big East? They would likely have to do a UCONN move where football becomes independent. I know that money is the driving force for these decisions and football is king but would a new depleted ACC or BIG 12 conference provide substantially more money than that of a loaded basketball-focused Big East.
Kansas right away is the school that jumps out as a potential add if the Big 12 crumbles. Obviously a basketball powerhouse they would greatly strengthen the level of the conference. Would they be willing to abandon their (historically bad) football as UCONN did? Doing so could open the conference up to two divisions and provide an East and West option that helps the massive geography gap with Gonzaga, a perfect fit for the Big East in every criteria except for location. Could also extend an invite to St Mary's in order to provide another west coast team and preserve their rivalry.
Big East (East)
Georgetown
Villanova
Providence
UConn
St Johns
Seton Hall
Big East (West)
Kansas
Gonzaga
St Mary's
Butler
Creighton
Marquette
Depaul
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Home and away every year against your division. Alternating home/away every year for out of division opponents.
Would have to add at least one other East division team in order to balance the divisions and increase the number of games. I saw a Villanova-fan twitter account post something similar and included Duke and Syracuse. While Duke would be an incredible addition and getting Syracuse back would be fantastic these feel less likely.
What are people's thoughts on what the Big East will look like in 5 years? How reasonable is Kansas? Gonzaga? St Marys? Duke? Syracuse? Any Others?
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Post by hoyaboya on Jul 8, 2022 15:30:54 GMT -5
I am rooting for the ACC to figure out a way to add Oregon, Washington, Stanford, and Notre Dame to open up a way to get Cal and Gonzaga to the Big East. Coast to-coast scheduling would be challenging. Don’t see Cal as a fit for BE, large public school with football. Agreed, Cal to the Big East makes no sense. I think the newly-depleted ACC and Big XII are going to be poaching Big East schools and programs like Gonzaga, not the Big East poaching from the ACC/Big XII/Pac-12. |
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Post by hoyaboya on Jul 8, 2022 15:33:31 GMT -5
It appears as if another massive conference realignment is on the horizon. UCLA and USC are confirmed to be leaving the PAC-12 for the Big 10 and Texas and Oklahoma the Big 12 for the SEC. There is a general sense that college football is moving to two mega conferences with major programs not currently associated looking to join in order to get some of that sweet sweet football money. So what does that mean for the future of the Big East? Would universities with major basketball programs and lackluster football programs who are left out of the mega conferences be enticed by the Big East? They would likely have to do a UCONN move where football becomes independent. I know that money is the driving force for these decisions and football is king but would a new depleted ACC or BIG 12 conference provide substantially more money than that of a loaded basketball-focused Big East. Kansas right away is the school that jumps out as a potential add if the Big 12 crumbles. Obviously a basketball powerhouse they would greatly strengthen the level of the conference. Would they be willing to abandon their (historically bad) football as UCONN did? Doing so could open the conference up to two divisions and provide an East and West option that helps the massive geography gap with Gonzaga, a perfect fit for the Big East in every criteria except for location. Could also extend an invite to St Mary's in order to provide another west coast team and preserve their rivalry. Big East (East) Georgetown Villanova Providence UConn St Johns Seton Hall Big East (West) Kansas Gonzaga St Mary's Butler Creighton Marquette Depaul Xavier Home and away every year against your division. Alternating home/away every year for out of division opponents. Would have to add at least one other East division team in order to balance the divisions and increase the number of games. I saw a Villanova-fan twitter account post something similar and included Duke and Syracuse. While Duke would be an incredible addition and getting Syracuse back would be fantastic these feel less likely. What are people's thoughts on what the Big East will look like in 5 years? How reasonable is Kansas? Gonzaga? St Marys? Duke? Syracuse? Any Others? I think it's much more likely that the Big East doesn't exist in a few years than teams like Kansas/Gonzaga/Duke/Syracuse will be joining the Big East. |
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Post by wyattrox on Jul 8, 2022 15:47:12 GMT -5
Coast to-coast scheduling would be challenging. Don’t see Cal as a fit for BE, large public school with football. Agreed, Cal to the Big East makes no sense. I think the newly-depleted ACC and Big XII are going to be poaching Big East schools and programs like Gonzaga, not the Big East poaching from the ACC/Big XII/Pac-12. It's not poaching. If only Cal, Wazzu, and Oregon State are left in the PAC, I think it's more likely they would rather join a league with Gonzaga, Georgetown, and Villanova than one with Fresno, UNLV, and boise state. I think cal is a better fit than St. Mary in the Bay Area given its higher profile and larger enrollment/arena. I do not think public school vs private school will be important as before and brand will be more important as long as its not like Memphis or Wichita state. I think Cal would rather go to the big east and independent in football than end up in the mountain west. Last, yeah I think it's more likely Gonzaga, Villanova, uconn, georgetown get added to the big east than programs like Duke or Kansas ever join. Cal is the program in the p5 rn that is a good academic fit in a major market / airport that is the most likely to fall out of the p5. |
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