SDHoya
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Post by SDHoya on Jun 3, 2022 12:36:53 GMT -5
Schedule seems to be shaping up fine. JTIII used to put together impressive SOS resumes, and I think we got a little spoiled (one might also argue that by scheduling too much early, his teams often peaked early). When Ewing pulled out of the PK80 tournament in his first year and replaced it when the cupcake schedule, he gained a reputation for scheduling cupcake OOC. As 2003 points out, that reputation is not really reflective of the schedules we've had since. It should also not be forgotten that the BE schedule is now 20 across the board tough games. So if we schedule a couple tune-up games in addition to the minimum of 4 major conference OOC already scheduled, so be it. Hopefully we don't lose to Dartmouth.
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calhoya
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Post by calhoya on Jun 3, 2022 13:23:00 GMT -5
Schedule seems to be shaping up fine. JTIII used to put together impressive SOS resumes, and I think we got a little spoiled (one might also argue that by scheduling too much early, his teams often peaked early). When Ewing pulled out of the PK80 tournament in his first year and replaced it when the cupcake schedule, he gained a reputation for scheduling cupcake OOC. As 2003 points out, that reputation is not really reflective of the schedules we've had since. It should also not be forgotten that the BE schedule is now 20 across the board tough games. So if we schedule a couple tune-up games in addition to the minimum of 4 major conference OOC already scheduled, so be it. Hopefully we don't lose to Dartmouth. Agree and with 10 new players and one who did not play much due to injury last year it is difficult to argue against a few tune-up games. Just hope they win them. |
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jun 3, 2022 14:49:02 GMT -5
Schedule seems to be shaping up fine. JTIII used to put together impressive SOS resumes, and I think we got a little spoiled (one might also argue that by scheduling too much early, his teams often peaked early). When Ewing pulled out of the PK80 tournament in his first year and replaced it when the cupcake schedule, he gained a reputation for scheduling cupcake OOC. As 2003 points out, that reputation is not really reflective of the schedules we've had since. It should also not be forgotten that the BE schedule is now 20 across the board tough games. So if we schedule a couple tune-up games in addition to the minimum of 4 major conference OOC already scheduled, so be it. Hopefully we don't lose to Dartmouth. Agree and with 10 new players and one who did not play much due to injury last year it is difficult to argue against a few tune-up games. Just hope they win them. My general position is that if your team is a good one, you should schedule a difficult OOC. While it blew up in Georgetown's face on multiple occasions because of upsets, the higher seeds in NCAA tournaments are, on average, hugely helpful. And, so when you have a great or very good team, scheduling that way helps to get the 1,2,3 type seeds, which can be really useful. Of course, we do not have a team at that level. So, I agree that scheduling a murderer's row is not necessarily the best idea. While I realize that Ewing was in his first , but the 2017-2018 was truly egregious. We played 7 teams worse than 300+, we had the worst OOC schedule in college basketball. Even under the worst circumstances, there is no purpose to that. I will chalk it up to Ewing not being familiar with the college game and getting bad advice (probably from Ronny, but who knows). That said, Ewing pulling out of the PK80 because we would get our butts kicked was also not a great approach either. Ewing has definitely improved the schedules from his first two years. Our OOC strength of schedule has been ranked the following under Ewing: 351 (worst in D-1), 292, 126, 142, 218. So, there's been improvement, and our best OOC was probably Ewing's best team. But, we have still never had an OOC in the top 100--if we want to compete for at large bids, we need to get there. But, I realize that the year after 0-20 isn't when that is going to happen. As I have said before, my main goal is to have an OOC schedule where a .500 record in Big East play is enough for the tournament. OOC's in the 292 or 300 range won't do that. Even high 200s are unlikely. For that reason, I would always aim for low top 100 as the floor (obviously it's an inexact science, since you need to predict how good your opponents will be). With good coaching, teams improve, and so it's not hard to envision scenarios where a team might struggle through an OOC but then go 10-10 or 11-9 and improve a lot. My basic scheduling philosophy is to put those potential 10-10 or 11-9 teams in a position to make the tournament. Because, if we aren't competing for at large bids, then what's the point. |
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hoyaroc
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Post by hoyaroc on Jun 3, 2022 22:31:56 GMT -5
From Hoya Hoop Club email today: "Schedule Updates Our Hoyas will be hitting the road for an exciting Pre-Thanksgiving Tournament. Details to be announced soon! Clues point to a previous tournament where Patrick Ewing was well received, namely, the Jamaica Classic. They are still looking for multiple schools to fill out a four or eight eight team bracket and it would offer Georgetown the opportunity for the soft opponents (read=wins) that Ewing frankly needs at this point to pump up the record. PK85, it's not. The current roster for this event is Loyola Marymount (11-18 in 2021-22) and Wisconsin-Green Bay (5-25). www.jamaicaclassic.com/Jersey Mike’s Jamaica Classic has added La Salle (Atlantic 10) and Utah Valley (WAC) to the current roster. |
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Post by blueandgray on Jun 3, 2022 23:38:40 GMT -5
UCSB has reached out to the Hoyas for a game at Georgetown. Will be interesting to see if the Hoyas take it.
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Post by trillesthoya on Jun 3, 2022 23:59:06 GMT -5
UCSB has reached out to the Hoyas for a game at Georgetown. Will be interesting to see if the Hoyas take it. That would be a good test. Wouldn’t be surprised if they end up a top 125 team on Kenpom. Type of team you should be able to handle that pads your resume come March. |
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jun 4, 2022 15:26:20 GMT -5
UCSB has reached out to the Hoyas for a game at Georgetown. Will be interesting to see if the Hoyas take it. They were 135 on KenPom last year; we were 175, but should be better than that this season (how much better is the question). I think Georgetown absolutely should take such a game, especially if it's a home game. |
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Post by bigelephant on Jun 5, 2022 12:58:31 GMT -5
UCSB has reached out to the Hoyas for a game at Georgetown. Will be interesting to see if the Hoyas take it. They were 135 on KenPom last year; we were 175, but should be better than that this season (how much better is the question). I think Georgetown absolutely should take such a game, especially if it's a home game. I totally agree! |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2022 17:19:59 GMT -5
35 (Wake), 203 (LMU), 229 (LaSalle) KenPom ranks this past year.
As long as we play Wake, it should be fine SOS-wise.
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Post by SDHoya on Jun 5, 2022 17:30:10 GMT -5
35 (Wake), 203 (LMU), 229 (LaSalle) KenPom ranks this past year. As long as we play Wake, it should be fine SOS-wise. Not bad at all. I’m assuming Wake and GU placed on opposite sides. So we’d get one game against a much better than 300+ cupcake, and if we win, a solid major conference opponent. Add Wake to Cuse, TT, SC and Big Ten opponent. Oh and 20 games against a likely very strong BE. If we miss the tournament, it won’t be due to SOS. |
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jun 5, 2022 17:48:16 GMT -5
Not bad at all. I’m assuming Wake and GU placed on opposite sides. So we’d get one game against a much better than 300+ cupcake, and if we win, a solid major conference opponent. Add Wake to Cuse, TT, SC and Big Ten opponent. Oh and 20 games against a likely very strong BE. If we miss the tournament, it won’t be due to SOS. The Jamaica Classic is not a bracketed tournament. If it follows the same format as previous events, Georgetown will have two fixed opponents, and LaSalle and LMU are likely suspects. www.jamaicaclassic.com/championships/2018-jamaica-classic/ |
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Post by kghoya on Jun 5, 2022 21:41:20 GMT -5
Not bad at all. I’m assuming Wake and GU placed on opposite sides. So we’d get one game against a much better than 300+ cupcake, and if we win, a solid major conference opponent. Add Wake to Cuse, TT, SC and Big Ten opponent. Oh and 20 games against a likely very strong BE. If we miss the tournament, it won’t be due to SOS. The Jamaica Classic is not a bracketed tournament. If it follows the same format as previous events, Georgetown will have two fixed opponents, and LaSalle and LMU are likely suspects. www.jamaicaclassic.com/championships/2018-jamaica-classic/True but there is a 3rd game played in the states. I believe Hoyas v Campbell was that game last time. |
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Post by aleutianhoya on Jun 5, 2022 21:58:14 GMT -5
Not bad at all. I’m assuming Wake and GU placed on opposite sides. So we’d get one game against a much better than 300+ cupcake, and if we win, a solid major conference opponent. Add Wake to Cuse, TT, SC and Big Ten opponent. Oh and 20 games against a likely very strong BE. If we miss the tournament, it won’t be due to SOS. The Jamaica Classic is not a bracketed tournament. If it follows the same format as previous events, Georgetown will have two fixed opponents, and LaSalle and LMU are likely suspects. www.jamaicaclassic.com/championships/2018-jamaica-classic/No way. Last time they matched up like with like. So we played the two nominally best mid major opponents (WCC and AAC). And then both of our opponents played the team from the MAC, which was the next best conference arguably. They will absolutely ensure that we play Wake (if it's not bracketed). |
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Post by trillesthoya on Jun 5, 2022 22:05:20 GMT -5
Wake isn’t expected to be very good next year, though they have a good coach. Should be a winnable game if we play them as expected And could be a great way to pick up some early season momentum.
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Post by jpj on Jun 6, 2022 9:54:00 GMT -5
Current Schedule
10 BE Home games
1 OOC home game
11 home games so far
1 Big 10 game - home or away??
5 OOC games left
does this mean that at least 4 of the 5 remaining OOC games will be home?
What quality of teams will want to come to play here?
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Post by HometownHoya on Jun 6, 2022 10:09:39 GMT -5
Current Schedule 10 BE Home games 1 OOC home game 11 home games so far 1 Big 10 game - home or away?? 5 OOC games left does this mean that at least 4 of the 5 remaining OOC games will be home? What quality of teams will want to come to play here? I'd love to fill it with UCSB, likely 1 or 2 local games for exam period, then open auditions for those last two cupcakes (likely one for our first game of the season). I assume the 3rd Jamaica classic game is counted as the tournament exception so there's another cupcake that isn't counted against the 30 game count. Then I could see us try to fit one more cupcake before the run including Jamaica (Thanksgiving), TTU (Nov 30), SU (Dec 10). Maybe we squeeze one in between TTU and SU but I'd be more likely to believe Patrick would try to get 3-4 cupcakes from Dec 10 - BE play (do we open on NYE this year?). |
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Post by hoyarooter on Jun 6, 2022 18:40:28 GMT -5
I predict Howard and American for the local games, as usual. I've given up on GW, but how about a game with George Mason?
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Post by hoyaboya on Jun 6, 2022 21:13:01 GMT -5
I predict Howard and American for the local games, as usual. I've given up on GW, but how about a game with George Mason? No chance our decision makers have the guts to schedule George Mason. I also doubt we schedule UCSB. Thompson/Ewing know we’d be at a serious coaching disadvantage in that one. Kudos to blueandgray for reporting UCSB’s interest, however. |
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Post by hoyaatheart55 on Jun 6, 2022 21:53:23 GMT -5
I predict Howard and American for the local games, as usual. I've given up on GW, but how about a game with George Mason? As a Mason Alum, I’ve been hoping for that matchup for many years lol |
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jun 6, 2022 22:40:45 GMT -5
I predict Howard and American for the local games, as usual. I've given up on GW, but how about a game with George Mason? As a Mason Alum, I’ve been hoping for that matchup for many years lol I was able to see GU play at George Mason in 1985. 🤣 |
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