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Post by hoyaboya on May 23, 2022 11:13:20 GMT -5
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Post by hoyaguy on May 23, 2022 11:54:47 GMT -5
At present, Georgetown is one of two Big East schools without a MTE (in-season tournament) event. At present, nearly all the tournaments are set, with a Gotham Classic still with two open spaces. Butler: Battle 4 Atlantis ((BYU, Dayton, Kansas, NC State, Tennessee, USC, Wisconsin) Connecticut: PK85 (Alabama, Iowa St., Michigan St., UNC, Oregon, Portland, Villanova) Creighton: Maui Invitational (Arizona, Arkansas, Cincinnati, Louisville, Ohio St., San Diego St., Texas Tech) DePaul: None Georgetown: None Marquette: Ft. Myers-Tip Off (Georgia Tech, Mississippi St., Utah) Providence: Hall of Fame Tip-Off (Maryland, Miami, St. Louis) Seton Hall: ESPN Events Invitational (Florida St., Memphis, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Ole Miss, Siena, Stanford) St. John's: Empire Classic (Richmond, Syracuse, Temple) Villanova: PK 85 (Alabama, UConn, Iowa St., Michigan St., UNC, Oregon, Portland) Xavier: PK 85 (Duke, Florida, Gonzaga, Oregon St., Portland St., Purdue, West Virginia) At the risk of sounding like the negative Nelly duo, I just wanted to say that I think we wouldn't be enthusiastic if any of the organizations reached out to see if we are interested in playing in any of the tournaments as I think it is known at this point we are gonna maximizing cupcakes in the OOC to get the record as high as possible going into the BE to look like we are progressing (we've had such schedules before so it would be no surprise). Also, to people outside the program it looks like we don't take bball seriously anymore retaining an 0-20 coach so why should they take us seriously and invite us to play (only reason for them to invite us is our good TV numbers and the history drum people have been beating way too long) |
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Post by wsdhoya on May 23, 2022 21:48:57 GMT -5
So we have non conference away games at Texas Tech and at Syracuse, and home games against South Carolina and a Gavvitt Games opponent. Other than those four games I am almost certain we don't play another top 100 team, and honestly I get it if that's the case. Cuse is going to suck again next year but if we win any of those other three games (pending the specific B10 opponent) I'd be thrilled. After that it'd be good to just rack up some wins after an 0-20 year and hopefully see some improvement and avoid any Dartmouth type calamities. There's also a scheduling art that includes scheduling in the 250-300 range instead of the 300-350 range to protect SOS, and an art of avoiding potentially underrated mid majors that can cause what looks like a bad upset. Hopefully we can put together a schedule that doesn't kill our SOS but also allows us to gain some much needed confidence.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on May 23, 2022 22:48:16 GMT -5
So we have non conference away games at Texas Tech and at Syracuse, and home games against South Carolina and a Gavvitt Games opponent. Other than those four games I am almost certain we don't play another top 100 team, and honestly I get it if that's the case. Cuse is going to suck again next year but if we win any of those other three games (pending the specific B10 opponent) I'd be thrilled. After that it'd be good to just rack up some wins after an 0-20 year and hopefully see some improvement and avoid any Dartmouth type calamities. There's also a scheduling art that includes scheduling in the 250-300 range instead of the 300-350 range to protect SOS, and an art of avoiding potentially underrated mid majors that can cause what looks like a bad upset. Hopefully we can put together a schedule that doesn't kill our SOS but also allows us to gain some much needed confidence. After the 0-20 season, I really hope Ewing doesn't over compensate by scheduling MEAC/SWAC and tons of 300+ opponents. The problem with that strategy is that the games aren't that useful for our guys, beyond one or two games like that, there's really not much benefit even from letting the bench play more, and you can almost always schedule teams in the 200-275 range that don't kill the schedule as much. The other issue is that if you schedule like Ewing did in 2018, for example, it's almost impossible to make the tournament as an at large bid, unless we went something like 15-4, or maybe 14-6, and that's unlikely. In my view, there's really very little to lose. No matter what we do, we are going to improve on last year given our roster. In all likelihood, this roster is going to take some lumps, but might as well give them a chance if they happen to surprise and do better than we expect. We cannot schedule like we are afraid to lose to Dartmouth in November. If we do that, we've lost any chance of being competitive before we even play a game or know what we have on the roster. |
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Post by wsdhoya on May 23, 2022 23:08:43 GMT -5
So we have non conference away games at Texas Tech and at Syracuse, and home games against South Carolina and a Gavvitt Games opponent. Other than those four games I am almost certain we don't play another top 100 team, and honestly I get it if that's the case. Cuse is going to suck again next year but if we win any of those other three games (pending the specific B10 opponent) I'd be thrilled. After that it'd be good to just rack up some wins after an 0-20 year and hopefully see some improvement and avoid any Dartmouth type calamities. There's also a scheduling art that includes scheduling in the 250-300 range instead of the 300-350 range to protect SOS, and an art of avoiding potentially underrated mid majors that can cause what looks like a bad upset. Hopefully we can put together a schedule that doesn't kill our SOS but also allows us to gain some much needed confidence. After the 0-20 season, I really hope Ewing doesn't over compensate by scheduling MEAC/SWAC and tons of 300+ opponents. The problem with that strategy is that the games aren't that useful for our guys, beyond one or two games like that, there's really not much benefit even from letting the bench play more, and you can almost always schedule teams in the 200-275 range that don't kill the schedule as much. The other issue is that if you schedule like Ewing did in 2018, for example, it's almost impossible to make the tournament as an at large bid, unless we went something like 15-4, or maybe 14-6, and that's unlikely. In my view, there's really very little to lose. No matter what we do, we are going to improve on last year given our roster. In all likelihood, this roster is going to take some lumps, but might as well give them a chance if they happen to surprise and do better than we expect. We cannot schedule like we are afraid to lose to Dartmouth in November. If we do that, we've lost any chance of being competitive before we even play a game or know what we have on the roster. We're saying the same thing. Loading up on 300+ Kenpom or NET teams is a surefire way to kill SOS and hurt your tournament chances. However, not every team 200-300 is created equal. The reason some smaller programs struggle to get any buy games is that they play unique offenses that can challenge high major teams that aren't prepared, and/or they are heavy 3 point shooting teams that can get hot. There is an art to scheduling and avoiding upsets. VMI is known for struggling to secure buy games because of their unique style and three point shooting ability, for example. Let's avoid those banana peels while creating a schedule that protects what will otherwise be a very very strong SOS. |
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Post by seaweed on May 28, 2022 6:41:00 GMT -5
December 10 @ ‘cuse in the JMA Wireless Dome, whatever that is.
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Post by DanMcQ on May 28, 2022 6:58:33 GMT -5
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Post by FrazierFanatic on May 28, 2022 7:16:40 GMT -5
Two days before my 65th birthday. I will make the trip from Albany with my kids (both mild Syracuse fans, my greatest failure in life). Patrick and the boys could give me a special birthday 🎁
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Post by BeantownHoya on Jun 1, 2022 13:04:33 GMT -5
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Post by hoyaboya on Jun 2, 2022 12:43:55 GMT -5
From Hoya Hoop Club email today:
"Schedule Updates
A few exciting updates about the 2022-2023 schedule:
Our Hoyas will be hitting the road for an exciting Pre-Thanksgiving Tournament. Details to be announced soon!
Some highlights of the non-conference home schedule include a return of the home-and-home series with South Carolina, as well as a game against a BIG TEN foe in the BIG EAST/BIG TEN Challenge.
For road non-conference highlights, we will face Texas Tech in Lubbock, Texas on November 30 in the annual BIG EAST/Big 12 Battle, and we will travel to Syracuse on December 10."
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Post by prhoya on Jun 2, 2022 13:53:35 GMT -5
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Post by hoyaatheart55 on Jun 2, 2022 15:43:07 GMT -5
Has the makings of a solid schedule
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Post by iowa80 on Jun 2, 2022 15:57:57 GMT -5
It seems to require a degree of effort to not be booked. |
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jun 2, 2022 16:35:33 GMT -5
From Hoya Hoop Club email today: "Schedule Updates Our Hoyas will be hitting the road for an exciting Pre-Thanksgiving Tournament. Details to be announced soon! Clues point to a previous tournament where Patrick Ewing was well received, namely, the Jamaica Classic. They are still looking for multiple schools to fill out a four or eight eight team bracket and it would offer Georgetown the opportunity for the soft opponents (read=wins) that Ewing frankly needs at this point to pump up the record. PK85, it's not. The current roster for this event is Loyola Marymount (11-18 in 2021-22) and Wisconsin-Green Bay (5-25). www.jamaicaclassic.com/ |
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jun 2, 2022 16:46:29 GMT -5
From Hoya Hoop Club email today: "Schedule Updates Our Hoyas will be hitting the road for an exciting Pre-Thanksgiving Tournament. Details to be announced soon! Clues point to a previous tournament where Patrick Ewing was well received, namely, the Jamaica Classic. They are still looking for multiple schools to fill out a four or eight eight team bracket and it would offer Georgetown the opportunity for the soft opponents (read=wins) that Ewing frankly needs at this point to pump up the record. PK85, it's not. The current roster for this event is Loyola Marymount (11-18 in 2021-22) and Wisconsin-Green Bay (5-25). www.jamaicaclassic.com/Sounds like we can watch the games via the Fox app. 😉 |
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Post by kbones17 on Jun 2, 2022 17:14:02 GMT -5
From Hoya Hoop Club email today: "Schedule Updates Our Hoyas will be hitting the road for an exciting Pre-Thanksgiving Tournament. Details to be announced soon! Clues point to a previous tournament where Patrick Ewing was well received, namely, the Jamaica Classic. They are still looking for multiple schools to fill out a four or eight eight team bracket and it would offer Georgetown the opportunity for the soft opponents (read=wins) that Ewing frankly needs at this point to pump up the record. PK85, it's not. The current roster for this event is Loyola Marymount (11-18 in 2021-22) and Wisconsin-Green Bay (5-25). www.jamaicaclassic.com/Oof we lost to LMU the last time we were in Jamaica. If we go there hopefully there is at least one game with a power 6 caliber team. But a Big 10 game, Texas tech, South Carolina and Syracuse is a solid start. |
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Post by prhoya on Jun 2, 2022 17:33:34 GMT -5
From Hoya Hoop Club email today: "Schedule Updates Our Hoyas will be hitting the road for an exciting Pre-Thanksgiving Tournament. Details to be announced soon! Clues point to a previous tournament where Patrick Ewing was well received, namely, the Jamaica Classic. They are still looking for multiple schools to fill out a four or eight eight team bracket and it would offer Georgetown the opportunity for the soft opponents (read=wins) that Ewing frankly needs at this point to pump up the record. PK85, it's not. The current roster for this event is Loyola Marymount (11-18 in 2021-22) and Wisconsin-Green Bay (5-25). www.jamaicaclassic.com/The Jamaica Cupcake City Baby Classic might be just what this roster needs. Don't get me wrong. After winning only 6 games last season, we are not looking down at any team. We are not scaring other teams. |
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Post by hoyaroc on Jun 2, 2022 19:00:44 GMT -5
Has the makings of a solid schedule The naysayers said coach Ewing would schedule all cupcakes. |
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Post by TC on Jun 2, 2022 19:28:19 GMT -5
Has the makings of a solid schedule The naysayers said coach Ewing would schedule all cupcakes. If he weren't contractually obligated to some of these, he would. |
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jun 3, 2022 9:55:07 GMT -5
Has the makings of a solid schedule The naysayers said coach Ewing would schedule all cupcakes. If we play a pre-Thanksgiving tournament and avoid 300+ level opponents, then that would be a good thing, and somewhat unexpected. I do think that there's still a good chance that a number of them show up on our schedule, but I hope I am wrong on that. This is how many 275+ teams we have played each year under Ewing: 2017-2018: 7 2018-2019: 3 2019-2020: 3 2020-2021: 1 (but we only played 4 OOC games because of COVID) 2021-2022: 1 So, purely, on a numerical basis, the trend has been away from the 300+ teams. Let's hope it continues. |
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