hoyaboya
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Post by hoyaboya on Nov 30, 2022 9:40:44 GMT -5
Illinois 73, Syracuse 44.
Our OOC schedule is putrid.
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Post by conshyhoya on Nov 30, 2022 9:52:35 GMT -5
Illinois 73, Syracuse 44. Our OOC schedule is putrid. I'm sure you are happy to see American destroy Albany by 26 yesterday and is now 5-2
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Nov 30, 2022 9:57:53 GMT -5
Illinois 73, Syracuse 44. Our OOC schedule is putrid. Boya, why does it even matter? We aren't winning against that soft schedule as is. If we scheduled better teams we aren't getting that UMBC W, or Green Bay W (or was it Milwaukee, I honestly can't remember). You need to win the games in front of you first and then complain about the soft schedule.
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hoyaboya
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Post by hoyaboya on Nov 30, 2022 9:58:00 GMT -5
Illinois 73, Syracuse 44. Our OOC schedule is putrid. I'm sure you are happy to see American destroy Albany by 26 yesterday and is now 5-2 Yes, huge win by American over mighty Albany (KenPom #330), a 3-6 team with losses to Towson, Siena, Austin Peay and Florida Atlantic already this season. Mike Brennan has things rolling in Tenleytown, they broke #250 in KenPom!
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hoyaboya
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Post by hoyaboya on Nov 30, 2022 10:00:10 GMT -5
Illinois 73, Syracuse 44. Our OOC schedule is putrid. Boya, why does it even matter? We aren't winning against that soft schedule as is. If we scheduled better teams we aren't getting that UMBC W, or Green Bay W (or was it Milwaukee, I honestly can't remember). You need to win the games in front of you first and then complain about the soft schedule. If we had competent people running our basketball program, they would schedule teams that would allow us to have a shot to make the NCAA Tournament. Instead, they put together a patsy schedule to pad wins on Ewing's resume, so he/Ronny could remain employed. Syracuse and South Carolina are historically bad, so even if we beat them, it won't mean anything.
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Post by conshyhoya on Nov 30, 2022 11:59:25 GMT -5
I'm sure you are happy to see American destroy Albany by 26 yesterday and is now 5-2 Yes, huge win by American over mighty Albany (KenPom #330), a 3-6 team with losses to Towson, Siena, Austin Peay and Florida Atlantic already this season. Mike Brennan has things rolling in Tenleytown, they broke #250 in KenPom! They beat the same Siena which beat Seton Hall which might be something we can't do so maybe Siena isn't that bad of a win for Albany. If Siena beats us that would be 3 high majors this year which is more than we beat last year sadly.
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hoyaboya
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Post by hoyaboya on Nov 30, 2022 22:25:10 GMT -5
GW 55, South Carolina 26 with 13 minutes to play in the second half.
Our OOC schedule is unspeakably bad.
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Post by boxout05 on Nov 30, 2022 22:50:40 GMT -5
Illinois 73, Syracuse 44. Our OOC schedule is putrid. This has gone too far. The scheduling numbers are going to suck because we scheduled low major cupcakes. The rankings are going to suck because we’re losing these games. But among our high-major opponents, we had little/no say in Northwestern, and South Carolina and Syracuse were both part of multi year agreements. Maybe we would have scheduled softer if we could, but this isnt what we need to bang the drums about. Most importantly… I wouldn’t pi$$ on Syracuse’s gums if their mouth was on fire. Let those pri(ks burn and let’s take whatever small measure of enjoyment we can out of their misery.
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Post by RockawayHoya on Nov 30, 2022 23:12:52 GMT -5
I would love to be 22-10 on Selection Sunday with 15 crappy wins and a SOS in the 300s so that the Selection Committee chair details why we were snubbed out of a bid. Would LOVE it.
Unfortunately, we are so far from that right now that any talk about schedule difficulty is meaningless. It is a monumental struggle to beat just about anybody at this point. There is literally no game on the current schedule, conference or OOC, that I can point to right now and say, yep we're definitely winning that game. Terrifying position to be in.
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Post by hoyaboya on Nov 30, 2022 23:17:50 GMT -5
I would love to be 22-10 on Selection Sunday with 15 crappy wins and a SOS in the 300s so that the Selection Committee chair details why we were snubbed out of a bid. Would LOVE it. Unfortunately, we are so far from that right now that any talk about schedule difficulty is meaningless. It is a monumental struggle to beat just about anybody at this point. There is literally no game on the current schedule, conference or OOC, that I can point to right now and say, yep we're definitely winning that game. Terrifying position to be in. We will kill South Carolina. Could be a Green Bay-style beatdown. The Gamecocks just lost by 24 to GW. I also think there are plenty of winnable games in the Big East. DePaul currently in OT against Stamford and Providence was destroyed by TCU tonight. We should also beat Siena and Syracuse without much problem.
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Post by hoyaatheart55 on Dec 1, 2022 0:11:39 GMT -5
I would love to be 22-10 on Selection Sunday with 15 crappy wins and a SOS in the 300s so that the Selection Committee chair details why we were snubbed out of a bid. Would LOVE it. Unfortunately, we are so far from that right now that any talk about schedule difficulty is meaningless. It is a monumental struggle to beat just about anybody at this point. There is literally no game on the current schedule, conference or OOC, that I can point to right now and say, yep we're definitely winning that game. Terrifying position to be in. We will kill South Carolina. Could be a Green Bay-style beatdown. The Gamecocks just lost by 24 to GW. I also think there are plenty of winnable games in the Big East. DePaul currently in OT against Stamford and Providence was destroyed by TCU tonight. We should also beat Siena and Syracuse without much problem. Boya we know you don’t believe this so I don’t know why you’re always doing this lol. Beating anybody (ok aside from Green Bay I guess) “without much problem” is not in the cards for this team.
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Post by bluegray79 on Dec 1, 2022 10:15:06 GMT -5
I think that's right. I also thought that about 10 games last year that we lost. Teams that weren't good 3-point shooting teams -- until they played us.
I just want the coaches to get real clear on what kind of ball they were playing against one of the better defensive teams out there last night when they went on an 18-0 run and overcame a 23-point deficit. If we play that ball, we will kill SC. And Siena. And Cuse. And a handful of BE games we can win and maybe a couple we shouldn't but do. If Primo plays 35 minutes, dribbles too much, takes forced shots in traffic and PE keeps him in; if Murray keeps turning the ball over 4-6 times a game; if Q moves in the paint like he has concrete blocks on his feet; if there's no rotation and subbing that makes sense (a huge ask from the looks of it), then we will keep losing to teams we should beat.
God bless Akok.
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Post by hoya9797 on Dec 1, 2022 10:29:06 GMT -5
I think that's right. I also thought that about 10 games last year that we lost. Teams that weren't good 3-point shooting teams -- until they played us. I just want the coaches to get real clear on what kind of ball they were playing against one of the better defensive teams out there last night when they went on an 18-0 run and overcame a 23-point deficit. If we play that ball, we will kill SC. And Siena. And Cuse. And a handful of BE games we can win and maybe a couple we shouldn't but do. If Primo plays 35 minutes, dribbles to much, takes forced shots in traffic and PE keeps him in; if Murray keeps turning the ball over 4-6 times a game; if Q moves in the paint like he has concrete blocks on his feet; if there's no rotation and subbing that makes sense (a huge ask from the looks of it), then we will keep losing to teams we should beat. God bless Akok. There was nothing different that was done, they just went on a five minute heater. The coaches may be completely inept but the players aren’t. They do have the ability to string together an occasional run of good offense and defense and, last night, both happened at the same time for a stretch. I guarantee you there was no instruction or new idea that caused it. It was just one of those things that can happen.
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Post by bills on Dec 1, 2022 10:42:38 GMT -5
In your opinion
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Post by hoya9797 on Dec 1, 2022 10:48:58 GMT -5
Yeah, maybe the most inept coach in the history of the game suddenly learned how to coach for a five minute stretch. If that happened, it is quite fitting that he forgot whatever he learned just as quickly. That’s probably what happened.
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Post by guru on Dec 1, 2022 10:50:39 GMT -5
Yeah, maybe the most inept coach in the history of the game suddenly learned how to coach for a five minute stretch. If that happened, it is quite fitting that he forgot whatever he learned just as quickly. That’s probably what happened. How do you have so much time to post on here? My goodness. Don't you at least have a few errands to run? This program is not worth the time you spend on here.
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Post by hoya73 on Dec 1, 2022 11:36:52 GMT -5
I think that's right. I also thought that about 10 games last year that we lost. Teams that weren't good 3-point shooting teams -- until they played us. I just want the coaches to get real clear on what kind of ball they were playing against one of the better defensive teams out there last night when they went on an 18-0 run and overcame a 23-point deficit. If we play that ball, we will kill SC. And Siena. And Cuse. And a handful of BE games we can win and maybe a couple we shouldn't but do. If Primo plays 35 minutes, dribbles to much, takes forced shots in traffic and PE keeps him in; if Murray keeps turning the ball over 4-6 times a game; if Q moves in the paint like he has concrete blocks on his feet; if there's no rotation and subbing that makes sense (a huge ask from the looks of it), then we will keep losing to teams we should beat. God bless Akok. If Murray keeps turning the ball over 4-6 times a game He has 16 TO's in 6 games (and 24 Assists).
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Post by conshyhoya on Dec 1, 2022 11:47:14 GMT -5
I think that's right. I also thought that about 10 games last year that we lost. Teams that weren't good 3-point shooting teams -- until they played us. I just want the coaches to get real clear on what kind of ball they were playing against one of the better defensive teams out there last night when they went on an 18-0 run and overcame a 23-point deficit. If we play that ball, we will kill SC. And Siena. And Cuse. And a handful of BE games we can win and maybe a couple we shouldn't but do. If Primo plays 35 minutes, dribbles to much, takes forced shots in traffic and PE keeps him in; if Murray keeps turning the ball over 4-6 times a game; if Q moves in the paint like he has concrete blocks on his feet; if there's no rotation and subbing that makes sense (a huge ask from the looks of it), then we will keep losing to teams we should beat. God bless Akok. If Murray keeps turning the ball over 4-6 times a game He has 16 TO's in 6 games (and 24 Assists). Unfortunately our PG isn't much better with 38/24.
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Post by hoya73 on Dec 1, 2022 11:54:04 GMT -5
You miss my point, which was that Murray has better stats than bluegray thinks. And, Primo's stats are over 8 games, so that's only 3 turnovers per game, neither great nor dreadful..and, upon checking, he has 21 turnovers, not 24...
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Post by bluegray79 on Dec 1, 2022 12:40:29 GMT -5
Point taken & thanks for the correction. Seems like it should be more but that's better to know.
So, what if they get the tapes out of that stretch and learn backwards as it were? At least at the defensive end. If the Hoyas got hot hands all at the same time and lit it up, I get it. We also got to the line more. Defensively, unless TTech went stone cold, we were doing something right for a few minutes & should be clear on what was working so well and keep doing it. Maybe it was the smaller lineup, Ezewiro's high motor, better rebounding, whatever. Maybe it wasn't strictly planned and strategized, but looking at what was working would give PE and KN the words to articulate what was happening.
For a team that seems to lack an offensive and defensive scheme and philosophy that presents as x' and o's to translate into plays a team takes back onto the floor, something that gave them definition & clarity that 18 & 19 year olders could follow would be pretty great.
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