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Post by professorhoya on Apr 12, 2022 13:42:19 GMT -5
Marta has had health issues so might be an opportunity.
I think Nickleberry is first in line if they hire from current staff so Pegues made the best move for him
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Post by njhoya78 on Apr 12, 2022 13:54:44 GMT -5
Maybe they prove me wrong and we're announcing Brooks later this afternoon. But given the agility of our "front office," I wouldn't bet on it. Agility? Thanks for the belly laugh...I needed it.
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Post by njhoya78 on Apr 12, 2022 13:56:36 GMT -5
Marta has had health issues so might be an opportunity. I think Nickleberry is first in line if they hire from current staff so Pegues made the best move for him Word is that Thad Motta will move up to AD in a year or two, when Butler's present AD, Barry Collier, retires; he is 67 years old. So this makes sense on many fronts.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Apr 12, 2022 15:59:57 GMT -5
Marta has had health issues so might be an opportunity. I think Nickleberry is first in line if they hire from current staff so Pegues made the best move for him I completely get why hiring Nickelberry made sense from a recruiting standpoint (see Murray; plus DMV connections). I do not, however, see why he would be a head coach candidate eventually. His time at Howard did not show that he really did much with the talent he had, and there really was no sign of improvement over his long tenure there, despite a slightly better year here and there. I get that Georgetown will likely not choose the most qualified person when an opening does arrive, I just don't see why Nickelberry would be seen as an obvious choice, other than his DMV connections.
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Post by guru on Apr 12, 2022 16:01:44 GMT -5
Marta has had health issues so might be an opportunity. I think Nickleberry is first in line if they hire from current staff so Pegues made the best move for him I completely get why hiring Nickelberry made sense from a recruiting standpoint (see Murray; plus DMV connections). I do not, however, see why he would be a head coach candidate eventually. His time at Howard did not show that he really did much with the talent he had, and there really was no sign of improvement over his long tenure there, despite a slightly better year here and there. I get that Georgetown will likely not choose the most qualified person when an opening does arrive, I just don't see why Nickelberry would be seen as an obvious choice, other than his DMV connections. No one has ever succeeded after an initial failure? Bill Belichick would like a word.
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Post by SDHoya on Apr 12, 2022 16:10:44 GMT -5
Marta has had health issues so might be an opportunity. I think Nickleberry is first in line if they hire from current staff so Pegues made the best move for him Word is that Thad Motta will move up to AD in a year or two, when Butler's present AD, Barry Collier, retires; he is 67 years old. So this makes sense on many fronts. I find it a little hard to believe that Butler would have hired Matta with the anticipation he'll only coach a year. But regardless, if that is the deal they offered Pegues, there wasn't really much GU could do. And while I understand a significant faction of Hoyatalk believes that a traffic cone would be a better HC than Ewing, if we do end up replacing him in a year or two, I'd hope we'd be able to attract high profile candidates than the guy who went 7-11 (1-9) as the interim at Louisville.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Apr 12, 2022 16:21:22 GMT -5
I completely get why hiring Nickelberry made sense from a recruiting standpoint (see Murray; plus DMV connections). I do not, however, see why he would be a head coach candidate eventually. His time at Howard did not show that he really did much with the talent he had, and there really was no sign of improvement over his long tenure there, despite a slightly better year here and there. I get that Georgetown will likely not choose the most qualified person when an opening does arrive, I just don't see why Nickelberry would be seen as an obvious choice, other than his DMV connections. No one has ever succeeded after an initial failure? Bill Belichick would like a word. There is nothing remotely comparable about Belichick and Nickelberry. Look at Nickelberry's record. He coached 9 years at Howard, and did not significantly improve the team while he was there, had a 39.5% winning percentage in MEAC alone (no OOC games counted), and the guy is 58ish. And, frankly, guys like Belichick are more the exception than the rule. Most guys who fail for 5 years do not then win 6 Super Bowls. For every Belichick you have the Rich Kotites of the world. I am not closed necessarily to giving him a shot. I just don't see why he would be the obvious head coaching candidate to replace Ewing someday, and why there is anything about Nickelberry that would make him more desirably over somebody like Pegues. To be clear, if I was doing a search eventually, I wouldn't choose either of them. I'd want someone with proven success as a head coach, and neither Nickelberry or Pegues have that right now.
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Post by TC on Apr 12, 2022 16:28:27 GMT -5
Is the traffic cone really available? Fingers crossed.
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 12, 2022 17:23:23 GMT -5
Word is that Thad Motta will move up to AD in a year or two, when Butler's present AD, Barry Collier, retires; he is 67 years old. So this makes sense on many fronts. I find it a little hard to believe that Butler would have hired Matta with the anticipation he'll only coach a year. But regardless, if that is the deal they offered Pegues, there wasn't really much GU could do. And while I understand a significant faction of Hoyatalk believes that a traffic cone would be a better HC than Ewing, if we do end up replacing him in a year or two, I'd hope we'd be able to attract high profile candidates than the guy who went 7-11 (1-9) as the interim at Louisville. Think you’re reading way too much into NJ’s post. It’s a better opportunity for him because Marta is a much more accomplished coach
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Post by CTHoya08 on Apr 12, 2022 19:33:04 GMT -5
Why would Matta move from basketball coach to AD? Doesn’t men’s basketball coach outrank AD? No? That’s just a Georgetown thing?
EDIT: Damned autocorrect.
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Post by hoyarooter on Apr 12, 2022 20:49:08 GMT -5
Good grief, people, at least get his name right. It's Matta. It's not like he's some new guy who hasn't been around the block.
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Post by DanMcQ on Apr 12, 2022 21:46:09 GMT -5
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Post by kghoya on Apr 12, 2022 22:14:19 GMT -5
Have we set the record for pages on a thread for a possible assistant coach?
Naturally he ended up at a conference foe that was as recently as the turn of the century in a league with Wright State.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Apr 12, 2022 23:41:48 GMT -5
…and I was thinking of “martha” from Handmaid’s Tale.
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Post by IDenj on Apr 13, 2022 5:45:31 GMT -5
I’m thinking Marta the Brazilian football star?
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Post by hsaxon on Apr 13, 2022 19:40:07 GMT -5
Very smart move by Pegues. We've been turned down by Broadus who stayed at Morgan State rather than make significantly more money at Georgetown. We've been turned down by Kenny Johnson to go to URI and coach for Archie Miller. And now we've been turned down by Mike Pegues to go to Butler to coach for Thad Matta. What does this say about how coaches feel about Patrick Ewing? The only guy we got was Kevin Nickleberry who got fired from Howard and fired from Will Wade's staff at LSU. I really, really hope there aren't Georgetown fans sitting on high horses ever again defending Patrick Ewing, Jack DeGioia and the Thompson legacy. Admin, we are getting annoyed with this poster. Not getting Pegues hurts - losing him to Butler (?) really, really hurts.
How much did we offer Coach Broadus and how much do we think he's ma king at Morgan State?
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Post by hoyaboya on Apr 13, 2022 20:10:06 GMT -5
Admin, we are getting annoyed with this poster. Not getting Pegues hurts - losing him to Butler (?) really, really hurts. How much did we offer Coach Broadus and how much do we think he's ma king at Morgan State?
Broadus makes $300K/year at Morgan State. I heard he was offered $500K/year to come back to Georgetown.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Apr 13, 2022 20:35:48 GMT -5
Broadus makes $300K/year at Morgan State. I heard he was offered $500K/year to come back to Georgetown. That figure would have made him the 11th highest paid employee at the University and subject him to a public records search as a "highly compensated employee." Adding overpaid staff is not a good way to win friends within the University, especially when the average full time assistant at Georgetown earned $63,221 in 2021. And it's not like men's basketball is bringing in extra money these days. FWIW, according to public records, Broadus' salary at Maryland was $327,000 and his base at Morgan State was $313,000, third behind the school president ($502,000) and the former president ($369,000). And he got an extension two weeks ago. www.morgan.edu/news/broadus-receives-contract-extension
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Post by TC on Apr 13, 2022 20:45:34 GMT -5
Leveraging ridiculous Georgetown offers into a lucrative extension ... I thought Chris Mack trademarked that move?
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Post by hoyaboya on Apr 13, 2022 20:51:52 GMT -5
Broadus makes $300K/year at Morgan State. I heard he was offered $500K/year to come back to Georgetown. That figure would have made him the 11th highest paid employee at the University and subject him to a public records search as a "highly compensated employee." Adding overpaid staff is not a good way to win friends within the University, especially when the average full time assistant at Georgetown earned $63,221 in 2021. And it's not like men's basketball is bringing in extra money these days. FWIW, according to public records, Broadus' salary at Maryland was $327,000 and his base at Morgan State was $313,000, third behind the school president ($502,000) and the former president ($369,000). And he got an extension two weeks ago. www.morgan.edu/news/broadus-receives-contract-extensionDo you think Kevin Nickleberry is getting paid less than what Broadus was offered? And do you think all of the coaches’ compensation comes from the university, or might there be other sources (Nike, Monumental Sports, camps, etc.)?
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