kbones17
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Post by kbones17 on Apr 11, 2022 21:22:43 GMT -5
No real way to spin this positively. We offered more $ at a higher profile program with significantly more resources in his backyard. Agree that Brooks should be next target. I’m not sure who is next on the list (hopefully Brooks or someone with defensive coordinator type experience) but my only hope is that we don’t just give up and keep Orr as an assistant. We desperately need some new influence that PE will listen to.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Apr 11, 2022 22:03:39 GMT -5
No real way to spin this positively. We offered more $ at a higher profile program with significantly more resources in his backyard. Agree that Brooks should be next target. I’m not sure who is next on the list (hopefully Brooks or someone with defensive coordinator type experience) but my only hope is that we don’t just give up and keep Orr as an assistant. We desperately need some new influence that PE will listen to. Never mind Orr. We still have to fill one of the Waheeb/Kirby slots.
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Post by SDHoya on Apr 11, 2022 22:46:49 GMT -5
Eh, not that big of a deal as I see it. The Murray news far outweighs this “miss”. It’s pretty clear that the off season moves—coaches and players—are far from over. I’m looking forward to seeing what comes next.
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Post by hoyaroc on Apr 12, 2022 0:05:23 GMT -5
Very smart move by Pegues. We've been turned down by Broadus who stayed at Morgan State rather than make significantly more money at Georgetown. We've been turned down by Kenny Johnson to go to URI and coach for Archie Miller. And now we've been turned down by Mike Pegues to go to Butler to coach for Thad Matta. What does this say about how coaches feel about Patrick Ewing? The only guy we got was Kevin Nickleberry who got fired from Howard and fired from Will Wade's staff at LSU. I really, really hope there aren't Georgetown fans sitting on high horses ever again defending Patrick Ewing, Jack DeGioia and the Thompson legacy. Admin, we are getting annoyed with this poster.
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Post by prhoya on Apr 12, 2022 0:20:05 GMT -5
Very smart move by Pegues. We've been turned down by Broadus who stayed at Morgan State rather than make significantly more money at Georgetown. We've been turned down by Kenny Johnson to go to URI and coach for Archie Miller. And now we've been turned down by Mike Pegues to go to Butler to coach for Thad Matta. What does this say about how coaches feel about Patrick Ewing? The only guy we got was Kevin Nickleberry who got fired from Howard and fired from Will Wade's staff at LSU. I really, really hope there aren't Georgetown fans sitting on high horses ever again defending Patrick Ewing, Jack DeGioia and the Thompson legacy. Admin, we are getting annoyed with this poster. Speak for yourself, not “we”. I, and dare I say “we”, rely on hoyaboya for recruiting news/tweets, while he stays under the posting limit. It used to be Yaboy in that role, but he turned part-time political activist ( ).
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Post by madgesiq92 on Apr 12, 2022 5:57:58 GMT -5
Eh, not that big of a deal as I see it. The Murray news far outweighs this “miss”. It’s pretty clear that the off season moves—coaches and players—are far from over. I’m looking forward to seeing what comes next. Sorry but it’s kind of a big deal to go into the open Spring recruiting period short a recruiting assistant. Please name another big east team that is short a recruiting assistant. Our target wanted to be back in DC bad enough that he would’ve taken the GW head coach role but doesn’t want to be on our staff.
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Post by fullcourtpress on Apr 12, 2022 6:37:51 GMT -5
At the end of the day Butler was the safest Bet. He wanted to come home but too much uncertainty. From my source.
Next up Osman Bangura from Team Durant. No Brainer!
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Post by bostonfan on Apr 12, 2022 6:44:21 GMT -5
No real way to spin this positively. We offered more $ at a higher profile program with significantly more resources in his backyard. Agree that Brooks should be next target. Agreed. It is disappointing to lose out on a coach who it seemed the program pursued fairly hard to another program in our conference. Especially when the coach is from DC and the Hoyas were offering him a chance to come home. I have no insights into the negotiations and Pegues might have had some requests that did not align with what Georgetown had in mind for him, but still tough to lose out on him. Hopefully they have another choice already lined up and move quickly to get another coach on board and out recruiting.
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Post by madgesiq92 on Apr 12, 2022 7:16:49 GMT -5
At the end of the day Butler was the safest Bet. He wanted to come home but too much uncertainty. From my source. Next up Osman Bangura from Team Durant. No Brainer! Specifically, what is the uncertainty.
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Post by guru on Apr 12, 2022 7:57:59 GMT -5
No real way to spin this positively. We offered more $ at a higher profile program with significantly more resources in his backyard. Agree that Brooks should be next target. How do we know how much we offered him?
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Post by Filo on Apr 12, 2022 7:59:22 GMT -5
Admin, we are getting annoyed with this poster. Speak for yourself, not “we”. I, and dare I say “we”, rely on hoyaboya for recruiting news/tweets, while he stays under the posting limit. It used to be Yaboy in that role, but he turned part-time political activist ( ). Speak for yourself. "We" are continually amazed at the player, coach, and program-bashing of Hoyaboya, and "we" don't rely on anything he/she says, since he/she hasn't gotten anything right. Ever. Comparing him/her to Yaboy is ludicrous.
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Post by prhoya on Apr 12, 2022 8:08:03 GMT -5
Speak for yourself, not “we”. I, and dare I say “we”, rely on hoyaboya for recruiting news/tweets, while he stays under the posting limit. It used to be Yaboy in that role, but he turned part-time political activist ( ). Speak for yourself. "We" are continually amazed at the player, coach, and program-bashing of Hoyaboya, and "we" don't rely on anything he/she says, since he/she hasn't gotten anything right. Ever. Comparing him/her to Yaboy is ludicrous. Don’t be ridiculous. He’s comparable to Yaboy in what I compared them: providing links to recruit/prospect info. The only difference is that Yaboy didn’t have a post limit when he/she was doing it.
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Post by hoyaboya on Apr 12, 2022 8:23:56 GMT -5
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Post by RockawayHoya on Apr 12, 2022 8:56:24 GMT -5
Disappointing news on Pegues, but appreciate that it was broken here first. As was discussed at length last night on the HH Twitter space, I don't think Pegues was any savior, but he was certainly one of the best of the remaining viable candidates out there. Side note fullcourtpress, Bangura was on that Twitter space as well so if anyone is paying attention at McD, it might be worth a phone call at the very least. Here's what annoys me about all of this. We really do need to get away from the mindset that we can only talk/negotiate with one candidate at a time and put all of our eggs in one basket. They repeatedly do this. Xavier finished up the NIT on 3/31, Caputo landed the GW job on 4/1. We couldn't have started discussions with both Pegues and Brooks on 4/1? At least make it seem like there's competition for the opening to make it look more desirable. Instead, we don't and here we are, nearly 2 weeks later, with no firm Plan B after Plan A falls through. We negotiate off the court like we play on it. Maybe they prove me wrong and we're announcing Brooks later this afternoon. But given the agility of our "front office," I wouldn't bet on it.
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Post by thedragon on Apr 12, 2022 10:18:49 GMT -5
From my understanding he wanted to be the coach in waiting. Top assistant. Associate head coach. However you want to term it. Georgetown said no. The discussion ended there.
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Post by TC on Apr 12, 2022 10:26:46 GMT -5
Oh well -- now he can go to Indianapolis and wait for that other shoe to drop. Maybe better than coming here and waiting for Indianapolis to drop the other shoe on us?
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Post by wyattrox on Apr 12, 2022 10:42:37 GMT -5
From my understanding he wanted to be the coach in waiting. Top assistant. Associate head coach. However you want to term it. Georgetown said no. The discussion ended there. He was going to be associate head coach as Nickelberry is recruiting coordinator and the original plan seemed to be a crouch promotion so neither of those 2 would be associate HC. Logic not intel would dictate in the short term being closer to nuclear family in Kentucky and a more stable job at Butler.
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Post by thedragon on Apr 12, 2022 11:20:47 GMT -5
From my understanding he wanted to be the coach in waiting. Top assistant. Associate head coach. However you want to term it. Georgetown said no. The discussion ended there. He was going to be associate head coach as Nickelberry is recruiting coordinator and the original plan seemed to be a crouch promotion so neither of those 2 would be associate HC. Logic not intel would dictate in the short term being closer to nuclear family in Kentucky and a more stable job at Butler. I think youre wrong about Crouch promotion being initial plan. It may end up being the fall back plan. But it wasnt exactly a secret amongst people at recent Georgetown events that the desire was to bring in 3 new coaches. With an associate head coach who is a veteran Xs and Os guy.
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Post by rhw485 on Apr 12, 2022 11:40:19 GMT -5
Disappointed we couldn't land Pegues, although once Matta landed at a Big East program that certainly made a lot of sense given his past working experience on his staff at Xavier.
Will just say I will be very disappointed if we end up w Nickelberry, Orr, Crouch. Nothing against Crouch personally and I could talk myself into the 3rd role for him with two heavy hitters. But that doesn't feel like significant enough change to really expect much to change in terms of on-court philosophy.
I'd still like to see a DOBO change as well but not sure how realistic that is at this stage.
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 12, 2022 12:20:48 GMT -5
Disappointed we couldn't land Pegues, although once Matta landed at a Big East program that certainly made a lot of sense given his past working experience on his staff at Xavier. Will just say I will be very disappointed if we end up w Nickelberry, Orr, Crouch. Nothing against Crouch personally and I could talk myself into the 3rd role for him with two heavy hitters. But that doesn't feel like significant enough change to really expect much to change in terms of on-court philosophy. I'd still like to see a DOBO change as well but not sure how realistic that is at this stage. agree on all points… I’ll add a change in the Strength and conditioning coach/team is long overdue as well
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