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It should be obvious, but I’ll spell it out for you: Trump was destabilizing the west, alienating allies, defanging NATO, and undermining American democracy. You know, doing all of Putin’s work for him. It would have been reckless for him to invade under Trump’s watch. Also, forward looking, putting Biden in a bad position helps Trump in 2024. It’s not all that difficult to grasp. Hope that helped. Or, he knows Biden will screw the pooch on this as he has for 40 years. This didn't age well. Who's screwing the pooch now? Our pro-Putin "Republicans" must be distraught!😀
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Post by SSHoya on Jun 24, 2023 5:43:34 GMT -5
Russian President Vladimir Putin, citing betrayal and a threat to his nation, said he had ordered the military to squash a rebellion led by Wagner mercenary boss Yevgeniy Prigozhin. Prigozhin claimed early Saturday to have taken control of the main Russian military command base in Rostov-on-Don, in southern Russia, and told the country’s military commanders that he would march on Moscow unless he could confront his enemies in Russia’s Ministry of Defense. Meanwhile, the governor of the Voronezh region, located north of Rostov on the road to Moscow, said the military was conducting a “counterterrorist operation” as bloggers linked to Wagner claimed a column of fighters was approaching the area. The U.K.’s defense ministry said Saturday that Wagner units were “moving north” through the region, “almost certainly aiming to get to Moscow.” The Washington Post could not immediately confirm the reports. www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/06/24/russia-ukraine-war-news-wagner-prigozhin/
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Post by SSHoya on Jun 24, 2023 5:55:32 GMT -5
While not likely to be successful, such internal dissension gives a psychological boost to Ukrainian forces and a morale killer to the less-than-motivated Russian troops. The question is when does Russia hit the tipping point? Wagner Group financier Yevgeny Prigozhin appears to have launched an armed rebellion on June 23 to force a leadership change within the Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) which is unlikely to succeed. Prigozhin amplified a video from a Wagner-affiliated Telegram channel on June 23 which reportedly shows the aftermath of a missile strike on a rear-area Wagner camp and accused the Russian MoD of conducting that strike.[1] ISW cannot independently verify the veracity of the video, and it may have been manufactured for informational purposes. Prigozhin used the video to then justify his most explicit rhetorical escalation against the Russian MoD to date and a call for action against the Russian MoD. Prigozhin claimed that the Wagner Commanders’ Council made the decision to stop “the evil brought by the military leadership” who neglect and destroy the lives of tens of thousands of Russian soldiers.[2] Prigozhin urged the Russian people not to resist, to remain calm, remain in their homes, and warned that Wagner will “deal” with those who destroyed Russian soldiers before returning to the frontlines in Ukraine after restoring justice for all. Prigozhin also notably accused Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu of personally planning an operation to destroy Wagner and claimed that 25,000 Wagner personnel are prepared to act.[3] Prigozhin later posted an audio message qualifying his previous statements and claiming that there is no “coup,” only a “march for justice.”[4] understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-june-23-2023
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Post by SSHoya on Jun 24, 2023 6:24:57 GMT -5
Kinzinger: This is a massive blow to the Russian republic and a massive blow to their military effort and I will also say, it is a massive blow to the people here in the United States like Tucker Carlson, who have been parroting Putin talking points
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Post by hoyajinx on Jun 24, 2023 6:36:08 GMT -5
Kinzinger: This is a massive blow to the Russian republic and a massive blow to their military effort and I will also say, it is a massive blow to the people here in the United States like Tucker Carlson, who have been parroting Putin talking points Also to Putin-loving “Democrat” RFK, Jr.
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Post by SSHoya on Jun 24, 2023 7:29:24 GMT -5
Kinzinger: This is a massive blow to the Russian republic and a massive blow to their military effort and I will also say, it is a massive blow to the people here in the United States like Tucker Carlson, who have been parroting Putin talking points Also to Putin-loving “Democrat” RFK, Jr. And Ron "the Red" Johnson, another "Republican" tool of Putin.
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Post by Massholya on Jun 24, 2023 8:06:40 GMT -5
There has to be more to this. There’s no way Wagner does this unless they had already received assurances of support from the oligarchs before taking any actions. This has to be something that has been in the works for awhile.
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