hoyarooter
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Post by hoyarooter on Feb 25, 2022 20:23:56 GMT -5
FWIW, I really think the nucleus of this team (Aminu, Holloway, Billingsley, Harris) with one or two good recruits and a key transfer (e.g. Liberty-Freeman) could be competitive next year. I'm not saying win the BE or go to the NCAA but defintely not 0-19. That's an awfully low bar, but I guess that's what it's come to. I happen to agree, though. I would say that a couple key transfers combined with keeping our key undergrads could result in a significant turn around, but can Ewing get them coming off of a season like this? The 50th anniversary of 3-23 is coming as close to 3-23 as we are likely to ever see. But we did beat Syracuse. We should all go to sleep repeating that, we beat Syracuse, we beat Syracuse, we beat Syracuse. Maybe it will make us feel better.
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EasyEd
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Post by EasyEd on Feb 25, 2022 21:39:30 GMT -5
Seems to me we will have an almost complete new roster next year. Carey and Rice will be gone and, because of this year's disaster, few others will want to stay. And this will happen whether it is Ewing or another coach. We may also have trouble keeping our commits next year. My guess, merely a guess, is we will have only about five or six scholarship players returning.
Only hope for a better team next year will be if we can get three to five quality transfers and that's a challenge.
What's important now is to quickly decide Ewing's fate and to move on from there.
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Post by hoyazeke on Feb 25, 2022 22:14:56 GMT -5
A new coach is not going to go with an 0-16 roster. There will be an overhaul. Imagine this team without Carey. Yeah but there should be growth between the freshman and sophomore year. I'm sure if we could go back there is no way we thought the '13 would be better without Big Hank. I'm actually looking forward to a team led by Jordan, Wayne, JBills and Ryan. I think we will surprise a few.
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Post by vv83 on Feb 25, 2022 22:48:26 GMT -5
A new coach is not going to go with an 0-16 roster. There will be an overhaul. Imagine this team without Carey. Yeah but there should be growth between the freshman and sophomore year. I'm sure if we could go back there is no way we thought the '13 would be better without Big Hank. I'm actually looking forward to a team led by Jordan, Wayne, JBills and Ryan. I think we will surprise a few. I wish I had your optimism! A team led by Riley, Bristol, Billngsly and Mutombo leaves me feeling very differently. For me - That sounds a lot like a bottom of the standings A-10 team rather than a surprisingly good Big East team.
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Post by jpj on Feb 26, 2022 3:21:30 GMT -5
First BE win comes in the Tournament play in game - our last and best hope
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Post by hoyaroc on Feb 26, 2022 6:22:38 GMT -5
FWIW, I really think the nucleus of this team (Aminu, Holloway, Billingsley, Harris) with one or two good recruits and a key transfer (e.g. Liberty-Freeman) could be competitive next year. I'm not saying win the BE or go to the NCAA but defintely not 0-19. That's an awfully low bar, but I guess that's what it's come to. I happen to agree, though. I would say that a couple key transfers combined with keeping our key undergrads could result in a significant turn around, but can Ewing get them coming off of a season like this? The 50th anniversary of 3-23 is coming as close to 3-23 as we are likely to ever see. But we did beat Syracuse. We should all go to sleep repeating that, we beat Syracuse, we beat Syracuse, we beat Syracuse. Maybe it will make us feel better. Yeah, I’m getting a lot good sleep knowing at least we beat Syracuse. That win makes it bearable to wake up to this disappointing season.
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Post by hoyajmw on Feb 26, 2022 8:18:51 GMT -5
First BE win comes in the Tournament play in game - our last and best hope FWIW, and since the bracket has slipped off the first page as of now, we have not quite clinched finishing DFL in the conference regular season/11th seed in the tourney. By my reckoning, if we WIN out and Depaul LOSES out we sneak into the 10 spot at 3-16 vs. the Blue Demons poorer winning percentage of 3-17. But barring that miracle, we end up 11th/playing at 9:30 Wednesday night, right now against Seton Hall -- which would mean a sneak peak of that game the week before at Seton Hall is in the offing. Marquette, St. John's, Xavier (which could create a back to back match-up of teams) also currently in play as first round foes. I've made my return plans from the Garden flexible, but don't hold out a lot of hope for staying later than Thursday morning regardless of the opponent...
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Post by hoya9797 on Feb 26, 2022 8:39:53 GMT -5
First BE win comes in the Tournament play in game - our last and best hope FWIW, and since the bracket has slipped off the first page as of now, we have not quite clinched finishing DFL in the conference regular season/11th seed in the tourney. By my reckoning, if we WIN out and Depaul LOSES out we sneak into the 10 spot at 3-16 vs. the Blue Demons poorer winning percentage of 3-17. But barring that miracle, we end up 11th/playing at 9:30 Wednesday night, right now against Seton Hall -- which would mean a sneak peak of that game the week before at Seton Hall is in the offing. Marquette, St. John's, Xavier (which could create a back to back match-up of teams) also currently in play as first round foes. I've made my return plans from the Garden flexible, but don't hold out a lot of hope for staying later than Thursday morning regardless of the opponent... DePaul has four wins, Our rightful and earned dead last spot is clinched.
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hoyajmw
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Post by hoyajmw on Feb 26, 2022 9:17:53 GMT -5
FWIW, and since the bracket has slipped off the first page as of now, we have not quite clinched finishing DFL in the conference regular season/11th seed in the tourney. By my reckoning, if we WIN out and Depaul LOSES out we sneak into the 10 spot at 3-16 vs. the Blue Demons poorer winning percentage of 3-17. But barring that miracle, we end up 11th/playing at 9:30 Wednesday night, right now against Seton Hall -- which would mean a sneak peak of that game the week before at Seton Hall is in the offing. Marquette, St. John's, Xavier (which could create a back to back match-up of teams) also currently in play as first round foes. I've made my return plans from the Garden flexible, but don't hold out a lot of hope for staying later than Thursday morning regardless of the opponent... DePaul has four wins, Our rightful and earned dead last spot is clinched. Right you are! Sorry about that -- I was wr-wr-wrong....
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Post by hoyazeke on Feb 26, 2022 12:39:06 GMT -5
Yeah but there should be growth between the freshman and sophomore year. I'm sure if we could go back there is no way we thought the '13 would be better without Big Hank. I'm actually looking forward to a team led by Jordan, Wayne, JBills and Ryan. I think we will surprise a few. I wish I had your optimism! A team led by Riley, Bristol, Billngsly and Mutombo leaves me feeling very differently. For me - That sounds a lot like a bottom of the standings A-10 team rather than a surprisingly good Big East team. vv83 our recruiting class was the 3rd ranked last year. A lot of that is Aminu being 5* but Ryan is a 4*, Jordan is a high 3*, Tyler and JBills are solid 3*s. You are looking at the struggles of true freshmen against veteran experienced upperclassmen. Even Tyler, who had a prep year, still had to adjust to the strength of grown men. I don't know if they will get better but if it's going to happen next year will be when you'll see it. Next year's team will have both experience and talent if everyone comes back (except Aminu) and we find a few upperclassmen on the transfer market. We saw a little improvement from the freshmen (except Tyler) and if Dante can be the PG we saw against DePaul we will be OK. If by some chance we get a 2nd year out of Aminu it changes everything. Bringing back the freshmen from the 1st post and Jordan's development are the key. Jordan didn't get to see BE basketball so he will probably be a little behind where we need him to be. You are right I do see the glass as half full.
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Post by bamahoya11 on Feb 26, 2022 12:48:58 GMT -5
I can only hope we improve next year, regardless of who coaches the team. As I noted in the other thread, though, I’m fed up with where the program is. Georgetown spends top 20 money and is getting bottom-tier results. We have the worst program in a major conference. We should demand more. Conversely, if this is acceptable, we shouldn’t be paying this kind of money. We could hire a coach who will finish consistently in the 8-11 range of the league for a fraction of what we are paying Ewing.
I watched the DePaul game. It’s inexcusable to be this bad. And it does come down to coaching. Our players gave everything they had to win that game. We aren’t in a position to win now, and I don’t see a real improvement next year if we stay the course. Maybe the league gets a little weaker, but there is no clear direction for this program. It’s so frustrating.
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Post by hoya9797 on Feb 26, 2022 12:57:45 GMT -5
I wish I had your optimism! A team led by Riley, Bristol, Billngsly and Mutombo leaves me feeling very differently. For me - That sounds a lot like a bottom of the standings A-10 team rather than a surprisingly good Big East team. vv83 our recruiting class was the 3rd ranked last year. A lot of that is Aminu being 5* but Ryan is a 4*, Jordan is a high 3*, Tyler and JBills are solid 3*s. You are looking at the struggles of true freshmen against veteran experienced upperclassmen. Even Tyler, who had a prep year, still had to adjust to the strength of grown men. I don't know if they will get better but if it's going to happen next year will be when you'll see it. Next year's team will have both experience and talent if everyone comes back (except Aminu) and we find a few upperclassmen on the transfer market. We saw a little improvement from the freshmen (except Tyler) and if Dante can be the PG we saw against DePaul we will be OK. If by some chance we get a 2nd year out of Aminu it changes everything. Bringing back the freshmen from the 1st post and Jordan's development are the key. Jordan didn't get to see BE basketball so he will probably be a little behind where we need him to be. You are right I do see the glass as half full. None of this matters when it’s led by one of the worst coaches in history.
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hoyaroc
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Post by hoyaroc on Feb 26, 2022 13:03:37 GMT -5
vv83 our recruiting class was the 3rd ranked last year. A lot of that is Aminu being 5* but Ryan is a 4*, Jordan is a high 3*, Tyler and JBills are solid 3*s. You are looking at the struggles of true freshmen against veteran experienced upperclassmen. Even Tyler, who had a prep year, still had to adjust to the strength of grown men. I don't know if they will get better but if it's going to happen next year will be when you'll see it. Next year's team will have both experience and talent if everyone comes back (except Aminu) and we find a few upperclassmen on the transfer market. We saw a little improvement from the freshmen (except Tyler) and if Dante can be the PG we saw against DePaul we will be OK. If by some chance we get a 2nd year out of Aminu it changes everything. Bringing back the freshmen from the 1st post and Jordan's development are the key. Jordan didn't get to see BE basketball so he will probably be a little behind where we need him to be. You are right I do see the glass as half full. None of this matters when it’s led by one of the worst coaches in history. Hey 9797, if coach Ewing is retained will you and Boya support the team?
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Post by hoya9797 on Feb 26, 2022 13:07:14 GMT -5
None of this matters when it’s led by one of the worst coaches in history. Hey 9797, if coach Ewing is retained will you and Boya support the team? If Ewing comes back, I’ll never support anything he does in anything ever again.
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Post by hoyaroc on Feb 26, 2022 13:13:52 GMT -5
Hey 9797, if coach Ewing is retained will you and Boya support the team? If Ewing comes back, I’ll never support anything he does in anything ever again. Sounds good…
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Post by TC on Feb 26, 2022 13:20:41 GMT -5
Hey 9797, if coach Ewing is retained will you and Boya support the team? If Ewing comes back, I’ll never support anything he does in anything ever again. Not even Space Jam?
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Post by hoya9797 on Feb 26, 2022 13:22:13 GMT -5
If Ewing comes back, I’ll never support anything he does in anything ever again. Not even Space Jam? That already happened.
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Post by hoyaroc on Feb 26, 2022 13:24:23 GMT -5
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Post by BeantownHoya on Feb 26, 2022 15:01:21 GMT -5
Hey 9797, if coach Ewing is retained will you and Boya support the team? If Ewing comes back, I’ll never support anything he does in anything ever again. See and that is where I just can't agree. I think we see eye to eye on Ewing. I want him out as badly as the next guy. This is coming from someone who applauded the hire and actually continue to defend him after the BET title but it's now abundantly clear he is simply not a good coach. All that being said there will never be a day, date, game, time, etc that I will not root for the Hoyas. I will root for them even if Ewing is the coach. I will root for the players on the roster. I will root for the community, fan base, university as a whole no matter what. Even w/Ewing at the helm. Even if I feel ultimately Ewing can not and will not be successful at Gtown...I will root for him and this team always... That may seem foolish from your perspective, I totally get it but Hoya basketball from a sporting perspective is by far my passion and that comes from a guy from Boston that worships Brady, Bird, Pedro, Bourque (I am too young for Orr)...but nothing would mean more to me (in sports) than Gtown winning it all with or without Ewing.
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Post by EasyEd on Feb 26, 2022 15:37:59 GMT -5
Hey 9797, if coach Ewing is retained will you and Boya support the team? If Ewing comes back, I’ll never support anything he does in anything ever again. "If I don't get my way I'm gonna take my ball and go home", says the four year old.
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