hoyazeke
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Feb 13, 2022 11:43:11 GMT -5
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Post by hoyazeke on Feb 13, 2022 11:43:11 GMT -5
Didn't anyone watch DePaul almost beat Providence AT PROVIDENCE? WITHOUT FREEMAN? No way we beat DePaul. Believe it or not I think our only hope is last home game against UCONN. DrQ we don't have a chance against UCONN. They are better than DePaul and will run us out our own gym. They should have beaten Provy but because they are depleted they will play a lot of close games. In DC it will be a close game that we'll give to them late.
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prhoya
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Feb 13, 2022 11:48:04 GMT -5
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Post by prhoya on Feb 13, 2022 11:48:04 GMT -5
Didn't anyone watch DePaul almost beat Providence AT PROVIDENCE? WITHOUT FREEMAN? No way we beat DePaul. Believe it or not I think our only hope is last home game against UCONN. DrQ we don't have a chance against UCONN. They are better than DePaul and will run us out our own gym. They should have beaten Provy but because they are depleted they will play a lot of close games. In DC it will be a close game that we'll give to them late. UCon is too rough and tough for a Patrick Ewing team. All of our opponents smell blood and stat padding.
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bamahoya11
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Feb 13, 2022 14:04:43 GMT -5
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Post by bamahoya11 on Feb 13, 2022 14:04:43 GMT -5
Whether we go 0-20 or 0-some other number, I don’t think we are winning a league game. We aren’t even close to the 8, 9, and 10, teams in the league. Plus we have just one game left against those teams, against DePaul. In our five games against the bottom of the league, we played one close game, against Butler in Indianapolis. The loss to DePaul was by 8, but that game wasn’t as close as the final score indicated. We are far below the other teams toward the bottom of the league.
Most of our remaining games come against teams with a hope of playing in March. They know they can’t lose to us, or it will hurt those chances. The downside of that is that teams likely will be ready to play us. We don’t have a lot of other games against teams with nothing to play for where a lack of motivation could help us.
I should also note we have had chances. DePaul was short handed, and we have played other teams at less than full strength or on “off” days for that team. It hasn’t mattered. We have rarely been close or even in single digits.
We are the worst major conference team in America. I don’t know what the final number of losses will be, but it’ll take a significant upset to get a single win.
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drquigley
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Feb 13, 2022 14:15:40 GMT -5
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Post by drquigley on Feb 13, 2022 14:15:40 GMT -5
DrQ we don't have a chance against UCONN. They are better than DePaul and will run us out our own gym. They should have beaten Provy but because they are depleted they will play a lot of close games. In DC it will be a close game that we'll give to them late. UCon is too rough and tough for a Patrick Ewing team. All of our opponents smell blood and stat padding. I'm betting on the "intangible" of UCONN being their last home game, them being 0-16 and the attention that will be generating, and just an irrational hope that all these factors plus any lingering respect for their coach might make them play with a "meanery" that would make Lic proud. Plus I have tickets for the game and my mere presence will propel them over the finish line.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Feb 13, 2022 15:12:32 GMT -5
Bart Torvik now projects a 1-18 conference record, down from 2-17 (assuming 2nd Xavier game still isn't happening). Projected probability of going winless is now 31.6%. Home vs. Depaul (42%) is the only remaining game above 19%. KenPom also projects a 1-18 record, with probability of going winless now at 39.7%. These are the odds of winning for the remaining games: @ Creighton: 12% @ Marquette: 6% @ Villanova: 2% DePaul: 36% Connecticut: 14% @ Seton Hall: 6% @ Xavier: 6% I would note that even if we played Xavier at home (the one game that was not rescheduled after the COVID cancellation), our odds of winning that game would be extremely low anyway. To put this in perspective and the degree to which some of these games would be huge upsets if we won, Georgetown's odds of winning the FGCU game in 2013 were 88.8% going into that game (put differently, FGCU had an 11.2% chance of winning).
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Feb 14, 2022 7:15:15 GMT -5
Post by practice on Feb 14, 2022 7:15:15 GMT -5
Lloyd Christmas : I want to ask you a question, straight out, flat out, and I want you to give me the honest answer. What do you think the chances are of a guy like you and a girl like me ending up together?
Mary Swanson : Well Lloyd, that's difficult to say. We really don't...
Lloyd Christmas : Hit me with it! Just give it to me straight! I came a long way just to see you Mary, just... The least you can do is level with me. What are my chances?
Mary Swanson : Not good.
[the background soundtrack music suddenly stops]
Lloyd Christmas : [he gulps, his mouth twitching] You mean, not good like one out of a hundred?
Mary Swanson : I'd say more like one out of a million.
Lloyd Christmas : [long pause while he processes what he's heard] So you're telling me there's a chance. YEAH!
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daveg023
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Post by daveg023 on Feb 14, 2022 7:54:42 GMT -5
Honestly I’m resigned to 0-19. It’d be nice for the kids to get a win to celebrate but at the end of the day really what’s the difference between 1-18 or 0-19? It’ll go down as the worst season in Hoya history either way, and be among the worst seasons ever in the BE.
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boxout05
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Post by boxout05 on Feb 14, 2022 9:05:00 GMT -5
Personally, I’d rather not see Georgetown’s name pop up when they list Miami and DePaul as the winless Big East teams…
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Feb 14, 2022 9:40:52 GMT -5
Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Feb 14, 2022 9:40:52 GMT -5
Honestly I’m resigned to 0-19. It’d be nice for the kids to get a win to celebrate but at the end of the day really what’s the difference between 1-18 or 0-19? It’ll go down as the worst season in Hoya history either way, and be among the worst seasons ever in the BE. Agreed! We are basically polishing turds at this point. If we had a bunch of competitive games that would be one thing but our definition of competitive is changing. If we are within 10, it is competitive vs. a last second buzzer beater or something like that. We just aren't good.
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hoyas212
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Feb 14, 2022 23:24:49 GMT -5
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Post by hoyas212 on Feb 14, 2022 23:24:49 GMT -5
@ Creighton was one of the two or three best remaining chances at a win. Starting to look like home vs. DePaul or bust. And DePaul likely won’t be as short handed as they were in Chicago.
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Post by RockawayHoya on Feb 14, 2022 23:58:55 GMT -5
Very much looking like home vs. Depaul or bust. Condensed schedule + travel for next 2 games does Hoyas no favors, but it's 5 days to get ready and summon up enough prep and effort to avoid 0-19. Doesn't matter in terms of anything, but count me in the group that doesn't want to be the only 0-19 team in BE history on futility graphics for years to come.
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lda05816
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Post by lda05816 on Feb 15, 2022 8:35:32 GMT -5
A random stat in our pursuit of a 0-20 campaign. In the last 460 mins of basketball, the Hoyas have held a win probability over 50% for approx. 2-1/2 mins. This team isn't even close to winning a game. It's really remarkable, actually, how bad they have been.
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blueandgray
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Post by blueandgray on Feb 15, 2022 9:12:26 GMT -5
A random stat in our pursuit of a 0-20 campaign. In the last 460 mins of basketball, the Hoyas have held a win probability over 50% for approx. 2-1/2 mins. This team isn't even close to winning a game. It's really remarkable, actually, how bad they have been. Unreal….and makes perfect sense! In a blink of an eye we are down by 20 in every game regardless of who we are playing.
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hoyarooter
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Post by hoyarooter on Feb 15, 2022 20:39:24 GMT -5
We're just sandbagging to lull teams into a sense of complacency in the BET, in which we will be repeat winners. Get your bets down, the odds must be astronomical. Actually, wait until the end of the regular season, and then bet the house. Or at least your neighbor's house.
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bamahoya11
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Feb 16, 2022 22:04:04 GMT -5
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Post by bamahoya11 on Feb 16, 2022 22:04:04 GMT -5
Another night, another loss. The losses are mounting quickly as it seems we have 3 or even 4 games in just over a week. Now, Villanova awaits.
I’m not making an excuse, but all the makeup games are making things even harder for us. The team is playing lots of games, nothing is going well, and it just seems to build on itself. What a frustrating year. I keep hoping we will win a game and retire this thread, but for now, the losses continue.
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McBricks
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Post by McBricks on Feb 16, 2022 22:29:38 GMT -5
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gunny
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Post by gunny on Feb 17, 2022 0:14:57 GMT -5
At least we are in the Top 3 of something
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 17, 2022 12:12:08 GMT -5
My 43rd season as a Hoya fan.
First time I could not wait for a season to be over.
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whatmaroon
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Post by whatmaroon on Feb 17, 2022 12:28:10 GMT -5
Just because I was curious and looked it up, here's how much time was left when our opponent got their "winning" score. Using last night's game as an example, we finished with 66 points, so the "winning" score was when Marquette got to at least 67 points. They did that on Kam Jones' layup to go up 68-49 with 8:13 to go.
Full list through last night, starting with the 92-64 loss to open Big East play: vs Marquette 12:18 vs Butler 7:21 at St. John's 8:41 at Providence 1:02 vs Villanova 1:24 at UConn 9:56 at Butler 1:05 vs Seton Hall 2:39 vs St. John's 6:39 vs Providence 9:27 at DePaul 4:35 vs Creighton 7:30 at Creighton 5:56 at Marquette 8:13
Looking at it by time remaining: 3 games where "winning" score came with 1 full minute left 1 game with 2 full minutes left 1 game with 4 full minutes left 1 game with 5 full minutes left 2 games with 7 full minutes left 2 games with 8 full minutes left 2 games with 9 full minutes left 1 game with 12 full minutes left
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bigskyhoya
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Feb 17, 2022 12:54:07 GMT -5
Post by bigskyhoya on Feb 17, 2022 12:54:07 GMT -5
All of this data is interesting but it doesn't fundamentally change what anyone who knows basketball can easily see with their own eyes. If there is any hope, it lies in the offseason.
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