hoyajmw
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Post by hoyajmw on Feb 7, 2022 9:27:42 GMT -5
In case anyone (else) was wondering, the most Big East games the Hoyas have lost in a row is 8 (by an average of more than 11 pts/game) in '03-04 to close out the Esherick era. Second most is 7 in '19-20 (by slightly less than 10 per game). JTII ended his era on a six game to the bad Big East streak in '16-17 (slightly less than a 10PPG margin) and matched it the year before to close the Big East regular season (before beating DePaul to open the Big East). Three times there has been a 5 game losing streak ('17-18, '04-05, and rather notably JTJr. in '92-93, by a whopping almost 14PPG). Of some historical interest, Jr. also lost his last four Big East games in '98-99 immediately before resigning. In case any of you CFO types out there wanted to double check my math (always a good idea) or otherwise were just curious about something in the past, the link below is really a goldmine... www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/georgetown/2004-schedule.htmlWith the NYP article above doing the heavy lifting of calculating our average loss margin of 13.5 ppg in Big East play, thought I’d repost the above as it remains sadly all too relevant. Also relevant (still) is the fact that the winless Miami team in ‘93-‘94 average margin in conference losses was 20.5 ppg, and the ‘08-‘09 DePaul regular season 0-18 team lost in conference by an average of just a hair under 16ppg. So we got that goin’ for us… On other hand (and for the curious), the 0-6 regular season ‘79-80 Friars lost those 6 Big East regular season games on average by “only” 9.5ppg.
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Post by bamahoya11 on Feb 9, 2022 23:00:11 GMT -5
I had really hoped we would be able to retire this thread with a win tonight. It doesn’t look good, though, as we start the back end of conference play with another loss. Looking ahead at the schedule, there aren’t a lot of opportunities for wins left.
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Feb 9, 2022 23:27:35 GMT -5
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Post by hoya8 on Feb 9, 2022 23:27:35 GMT -5
From One long time hoya, I am done. The only thing the administration understands is money. Time for those of us who have made contributions to talk in terms they understand. You don't address the situation, you will lose financial support.
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Feb 9, 2022 23:44:43 GMT -5
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Feb 9, 2022 23:44:43 GMT -5
We may be able to beat DePaul at home. That’s our best chance for a W.
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blueandgray
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Post by blueandgray on Feb 9, 2022 23:50:40 GMT -5
Sad thing is that no one cares anymore. There is no media coverage, we can’t even fill up McDonough, students and fans now expect to lose, the administration refuses to move on from the Ewing and Thompson legacies….the program has been driven into the ground. Sad, just sad.
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Post by DanMcQ on Feb 10, 2022 0:03:09 GMT -5
McDonough WAS full at the capacity allowed by University COVID protocols. The problem was the university and program never explicitly stated that until after the fact. There was plenty of student interest in that game.
I can’t argue with any of the rest.
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Post by Elvado on Feb 10, 2022 5:53:07 GMT -5
Even if a win or two take place, is there any legitimate question that this program is irreparably broken?
The truly ironic piece of this is that for years the gripe was “facilities”. Now we have facilities and suck even worse.
Georgetown Basketball as a brand is dead, except as the butt end of a joke or as a cautionary tale.
The program requires an immediate and complete overhaul. Top to bottom, side to side, inside and out.
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Feb 12, 2022 13:51:11 GMT -5
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Post by bamahoya11 on Feb 12, 2022 13:51:11 GMT -5
The winless streak continues.
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Post by hoyaatheart55 on Feb 12, 2022 13:59:25 GMT -5
Really does feel like we’re going winless
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Post by hoyazeke on Feb 12, 2022 15:17:22 GMT -5
Oh yeah 0-19 is happening. There is just one game left on the schedule where we have a little chance and that's DePaul at home. DePaul will most likely be fully loaded going into that game. We can play with Creighton but we aren't winning that game.
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Post by blueandgray on Feb 12, 2022 17:30:38 GMT -5
At this point I feel the worst for the players. Yeah, this sucks as a fan and the coaches can’t be happy, but the players look joyless. This isn’t what college athletics should be about and not what they signed up for. I know that no one can guarantee success…but I think most assume the Hoyas would be competitive. We can’t even say that.
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Post by hoyazeke on Feb 12, 2022 17:36:32 GMT -5
At this point I feel the worst for the players. Yeah, this sucks as a fan and the coaches can’t be happy, but the players look joyless. This isn’t what college athletics should be about and not what they signed up for. I know that no one can guarantee success…but I think most assume the Hoyas would be competitive. We can’t even say that. Hopefully they use it as motivation. There is enough talent to be a respectable team. Maybe even a good team.
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Feb 12, 2022 19:17:26 GMT -5
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 12, 2022 19:17:26 GMT -5
At this point I feel the worst for the players. Yeah, this sucks as a fan and the coaches can’t be happy, but the players look joyless. This isn’t what college athletics should be about and not what they signed up for. I know that no one can guarantee success…but I think most assume the Hoyas would be competitive. We can’t even say that. Agree 100%. But the players have plenty of responsibility for this mess.
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Feb 12, 2022 19:40:46 GMT -5
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Post by gotin2gu4lunch on Feb 12, 2022 19:40:46 GMT -5
At this point I feel the worst for the players. Yeah, this sucks as a fan and the coaches can’t be happy, but the players look joyless. This isn’t what college athletics should be about and not what they signed up for. I know that no one can guarantee success…but I think most assume the Hoyas would be competitive. We can’t even say that. Agree 100%. But the players have plenty of responsibility for this mess. The players are doing what is coached, or allowed. When Pat was out they played some zone finally. But not much, if any, since coach returned. Which tells me he doesn't trust his assistant coaches. He continues to play defense HIS way when EVERYONE sees it's not working. I saw Puke (Duke) go to a zone during there game last week (you know what, I'm not going to do that)! Anyway it doesn't look like our coach is willing to try anything different. It's the same ole ish every week. He started the same guys, I don't know how many games in a row! When your coach has to continuously yell MOVE and REBOUND. I hear a coach that hasn't emphasized those things enough during practice. I never hear him yell SHARE, during our fast breaks. We take ill-advised shots every game. But there's no correction unless you're a bench guy. And that correction is to sit. This is a coach issue and if you don't believe that, blame the guy that constructed the roster! Not the players!
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Post by SSHoya on Feb 12, 2022 20:01:28 GMT -5
Agree 100%. But the players have plenty of responsibility for this mess. The players are doing what is coached, or allowed. When Pat was out they played some zone finally. But not much, if any, since coach returned. Which tells me he doesn't trust his assistant coaches. He continues to play defense HIS way when EVERYONE sees it's not working. I saw Puke (Duke) go to a zone during there game last week (you know what, I'm not going to do that)! Anyway it doesn't look like our coach is willing to try anything different. It's the same ole ish every week. He started the same guys, I don't know how many games in a row! When your coach has to continuously yell MOVE and REBOUND. I hear a coach that hasn't emphasized those things enough during practice. I never hear him yell SHARE, during our fast breaks. We take ill-advised shots every game. But there's no correction unless you're a bench guy. And that correction is to sit. This is a coach issue and if you don't believe that, blame the guy that constructed the roster! Not the players! He started Mutombo today instead of Iggy which will not be a difference maker. IIRC, Mutombo rode the pines the entire second half with Wilson getting minutes.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 12, 2022 21:05:32 GMT -5
Agree 100%. But the players have plenty of responsibility for this mess. The players are doing what is coached, or allowed. When Pat was out they played some zone finally. But not much, if any, since coach returned. Which tells me he doesn't trust his assistant coaches. He continues to play defense HIS way when EVERYONE sees it's not working. I saw Puke (Duke) go to a zone during there game last week (you know what, I'm not going to do that)! Anyway it doesn't look like our coach is willing to try anything different. It's the same ole ish every week. He started the same guys, I don't know how many games in a row! When your coach has to continuously yell MOVE and REBOUND. I hear a coach that hasn't emphasized those things enough during practice. I never hear him yell SHARE, during our fast breaks. We take ill-advised shots every game. But there's no correction unless you're a bench guy. And that correction is to sit. This is a coach issue and if you don't believe that, blame the guy that constructed the roster! Not the players! I am not absolving Ewing or his staff, they have plenty of blame to share. But ridiculously bad passes, high school level failures to close out, wildly forced shots - some of the blame has to be on the players.
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Post by trillesthoya on Feb 12, 2022 22:35:20 GMT -5
If you blame the players for making stupid mistakes, you should focus your blame mostly on the staff. it’s the coaches fault for either bringing in players that play like that or not coaching it out of them.
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Feb 12, 2022 22:37:06 GMT -5
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Post by gotin2gu4lunch on Feb 12, 2022 22:37:06 GMT -5
The players are doing what is coached, or allowed. When Pat was out they played some zone finally. But not much, if any, since coach returned. Which tells me he doesn't trust his assistant coaches. He continues to play defense HIS way when EVERYONE sees it's not working. I saw Puke (Duke) go to a zone during there game last week (you know what, I'm not going to do that)! Anyway it doesn't look like our coach is willing to try anything different. It's the same ole ish every week. He started the same guys, I don't know how many games in a row! When your coach has to continuously yell MOVE and REBOUND. I hear a coach that hasn't emphasized those things enough during practice. I never hear him yell SHARE, during our fast breaks. We take ill-advised shots every game. But there's no correction unless you're a bench guy. And that correction is to sit. This is a coach issue and if you don't believe that, blame the guy that constructed the roster! Not the players! I am not absolving Ewing or his staff, they have plenty of blame to share. But ridiculously bad passes, high school level failures to close out, wildly forced shots - some of the blame has to be on the players. I think we're saying the same thing. "The players are doing what is coached, or allowed." They never seem to be corrected when they make these types of bone-headed plays. And because they ALL seem to make these types of errors. Leads me to conclude there's no correction at practice either! If there were, wouldn't one expect some pine time for the repeated bone-headed mistakes? And how many times is he going to let the PG come down and jack up a 3 with 10+ seconds on the shot clock, with no repercussions? Too much NBA DNA! And, I really do think we're saying the same thing. But I also think my way is the best way to say that thing. Lol. Just joking gotta laugh to keep from crying. Have a good one.
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Feb 13, 2022 10:42:32 GMT -5
Post by RockawayHoya on Feb 13, 2022 10:42:32 GMT -5
Bart Torvik now projects a 1-18 conference record, down from 2-17 (assuming 2nd Xavier game still isn't happening).
Projected probability of going winless is now 31.6%. Home vs. Depaul (42%) is the only remaining game above 19%.
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Feb 13, 2022 11:37:29 GMT -5
Post by drquigley on Feb 13, 2022 11:37:29 GMT -5
Didn't anyone watch DePaul almost beat Providence AT PROVIDENCE? WITHOUT FREEMAN? No way we beat DePaul. Believe it or not I think our only hope is last home game against UCONN.
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