hoya9797
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Post by hoya9797 on Jan 21, 2022 7:18:14 GMT -5
A winless Big East seems very unlikely. The only question is if 2 or 3 wins is turned into a positive outcome by some of the more delusional among us.
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hoyaboya
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Post by hoyaboya on Jan 21, 2022 9:46:10 GMT -5
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hoya9797
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Post by hoya9797 on Jan 21, 2022 10:19:51 GMT -5
Not sure how much NET incorporates margin of victory but if it does at all, coaches will know and be motivated to blow the doors off us since a mere win is not accretive to their ranking. Should be fun to watch.
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Post by prhoya on Jan 21, 2022 10:36:27 GMT -5
Not sure how much NET incorporates margin of victory but if it does at all, coaches will know and be motivated to blow the doors off us since a mere win is not accretive to their ranking. Should be fun to watch. If it does, Coach Anderson was a gentleman when he pulled his horses back from running up the score against us by playing four corners until 10 seconds of the shot clock.
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Post by HometownHoya on Jan 21, 2022 10:59:05 GMT -5
A winless Big East seems very unlikely. The only question is if 2 or 3 wins is turned into a positive outcome by some of the more delusional among us. I will be happy in the moment with any win we get but a 2 or 3 BE season definitely will be nothing to celebrate.
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Post by hoopsmccan on Jan 21, 2022 11:13:18 GMT -5
Not sure how much NET incorporates margin of victory but if it does at all, coaches will know and be motivated to blow the doors off us since a mere win is not accretive to their ranking. Should be fun to watch. No doubt that you’ll have a lot of fun watching on Saturday. I’d be very surprised if we stayed within 25pts unless they have one of their bad 3pt shooting games. hm
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hoyajmw
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Post by hoyajmw on Jan 21, 2022 11:42:22 GMT -5
Not sure how much NET incorporates margin of victory but if it does at all, coaches will know and be motivated to blow the doors off us since a mere win is not accretive to their ranking. Should be fun to watch. I think the overall point here is a fascinating one. Thanks! And it seems (link below) that, while it originally did, NET no longer directly uses margin of victory HOWEVER it must be a fairly substantial part of what is one of the two factors that remain -- "adjusted efficiency" (points per 100 possessions). How large a factor is beyond me (again, any numbers geeks/CFO types out there I'm all ears and eyes!) My rather easy speculation is that the really good teams, such as Villanova to cite a particularly pertinent example, will ease up no matter what -- as the NET for them won't be a big deal, and general sportsmanship will override it anyway. The bubble teams (for both NCAA and NIT) will be the ones to really worry about in terms of embarrassing results... www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2021-12-06/college-basketballs-net-rankings-explained
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Post by hoyarooter on Jan 21, 2022 20:25:16 GMT -5
Unfortunately, it was the worst defensive game of the year. Team is ranked #233 on defense now. WE ARE DE PAUL! WE ARE DE PAUL!
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hoyajmw
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Post by hoyajmw on Jan 22, 2022 23:15:09 GMT -5
As of Saturday night, the KenPom ratings updated today have moved us up two spots to 159 -- right behind Brown and exactly 100 spots behind Northwestern. Northwestern. And we'd have to gain 57 spots to be Depaul.... kenpom.com/
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Post by blueandgray on Jan 23, 2022 4:15:11 GMT -5
What’s the lowest we’ve been ranked since the RPI came out?
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hoyaboya
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Post by hoyaboya on Jan 24, 2022 13:14:50 GMT -5
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Post by iowa80 on Jan 24, 2022 13:41:11 GMT -5
Great news. We’re up across the board.
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Jan 24, 2022 14:28:09 GMT -5
Great news. We’re up across the board. These are clear signs of improvement. The staff has got the team humming right now….
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Post by daveg023 on Jan 24, 2022 15:08:08 GMT -5
What’s the lowest we’ve been ranked since the RPI came out? Just to demonstrate how bad this is and show the floor for a “bad season” for most BE schools is higher than this (let alone a running average over 5 years), here are the worst 3 years for all schools in the conference since ‘08 per BT. Gtown 2022 - 180 (currently, low was 211) 2019 - 106 2020 - 76 * Note: JTIII’s worst season was his final season in 2017 (70); Ewing has only been better than this WORST season once (52 last year) Nova 2012 - 70 2008 - 46 2013 - 44 SHU 2008 - 110 2013 - 100 (Willard’s first year) 2014 - 82 Xavier 2013 - 70 2019 - 66 2021 - 61 PC 2012 - 118 (Cooley’s first year) 2011 - 110 (Davis’ last year) 2008 - 85 (Welch’s last year) Creighton 2010 - 107 (MVC member) 2011 - 84 (McDermott’s first year; MVC member) 2015 - 78 Marquette 2015 - 82 (Wojo’s first year) 2016 - 73 2021 - 64 (Wojo’s last year) SJ 2016 - 215 (Mullin’s first year) 2008 - 139 2012 - 139 DePaul 2011 - 206 (Purnell’s first year) 2009 - 188 2014 - 179 DePaul and St John’s aside, the floor for most BE schools is 75-100 for their “bad seasons” over the last 14 years. Most teams absolute floor has been our average under Ewing. And this year could be among the two or three worst seasons for any team in this time. There is no spin possible to explain this. Injuries, COVID, transfers, etc. are valid reasons for a bad season, but why is our “bad” worse than everyone else’s?
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Post by daveg023 on Jan 24, 2022 15:19:03 GMT -5
What’s the lowest we’ve been ranked since the RPI came out? Just to demonstrate how bad this is and show the floor for a “bad season” for most BE schools is higher than this (let alone a running average over 5 years), here are the worst 3 years for all schools in the conference since ‘08 per BT. Gtown 2022 - 180 (currently, low was 211) 2019 - 106 2020 - 76 * Note: JTIII’s worst season was his final season in 2017 (70); Ewing has only been better than this WORST season once (52 last year) Nova 2012 - 70 2008 - 46 2013 - 44 SHU 2008 - 110 2013 - 100 (Willard’s first year) 2014 - 82 Xavier 2013 - 70 2019 - 66 2021 - 61 PC 2012 - 118 (Cooley’s first year) 2011 - 110 (Davis’ last year) 2008 - 85 (Welch’s last year) Creighton 2010 - 107 (MVC member) 2011 - 84 (McDermott’s first year; MVC member) 2015 - 78 Marquette 2015 - 82 (Wojo’s first year) 2016 - 73 2021 - 64 (Wojo’s last year) SJ 2016 - 215 (Mullin’s first year) 2008 - 139 2012 - 139 DePaul 2011 - 206 (Purnell’s first year) 2009 - 188 2014 - 179 DePaul and St John’s aside, the floor for most BE schools is 75-100 for their “bad seasons” over the last 14 years. Most teams absolute floor has been our average under Ewing. And this year could be among the two or three worst seasons for any team in this time. There is no spin possible to explain this. Injuries, COVID, transfers, etc. are valid reasons for a bad season, but why is our “bad” worse than everyone else’s? Note: I excluded UConn and Butler since they weren’t in the BE more than half the years going back to 2008. Ironically Butler’s low is this year too (181), while UConn was only over 100 once (Ollie’s last year disaster).
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Post by hoyaboya on Jan 26, 2022 9:48:34 GMT -5
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Post by HometownHoya on Jan 26, 2022 12:58:53 GMT -5
Taking the BE down with us!
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daveg023
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Post by daveg023 on Jan 26, 2022 14:15:31 GMT -5
Taking the BE down with us! I’d think this is the type of thing that has the conference looking to have a conversation with DeGioia. I get it’s not a major needle mover, but now our plight is tangibly affecting other member schools’ resumes. That is not a good look.
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hoya9797
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Post by hoya9797 on Feb 1, 2022 22:46:42 GMT -5
#178 on KenPom. Brown is back to being Dartmouth’s best win. Ahead of us are Brown (#174 10-12 in the Ivy), Tarleton St (#175 10-13 in the WAC), Indiana St (#176 9-11 in the MVC), and Illinois St (#177 10-12 in the MVC).
The defense is rated #249 just behind South Dakota and the New Jersey Institute of Technology. And, we’ve got big hitters like Winthrop, William & Mary, Bryant, South Carolina State, and Canisius coming up strong from behind.
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Post by hoyaguy on Feb 1, 2022 23:04:00 GMT -5
#178 on KenPom. Brown is back to being Dartmouth’s best win. Ahead of us are Brown (#174 10-12 in the Ivy), Tarleton St (#175 10-13 in the WAC), Indiana St (#176 9-11 in the MVC), and Illinois St ($177 10-12 in the MVC). The defense is rated #249 just behind South Dakota and the New Jersey Institute of Technology. And, we’ve got big hitters like Winthrop, William & Mary, Bryant, South Carolina State, and Canisius coming up strong from behind. Even as someone who lived in New Jersey I thought NJIT was a D3 school tbh but wow alright, it should say enough that we a team in the Big East are NOT a weak Ivy's best win like come on, there's your desired peers right there who don't even have scholarships to give out!
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