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Post by hoyas4lyfe on Dec 20, 2021 13:49:25 GMT -5
I understand we’ve had very very bad luck with transfers, but rebuilds in college basketball do not take this long. In an era where pretty much everyone takes in at least one or two transfers a year, some teams with new coaches see success very early. Let’s take a look at Wake Forest, who’s in their 2nd year with Steve Forbes. 11-1 and receiving votes in the AP poll. They have a completely new roster except for 1 player from 2 years ago, and only returned 3 rotation players from last year. These types of season for us should not ever happen, yet it has become the norm.
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Post by hoya9797 on Dec 20, 2021 14:32:10 GMT -5
I understand we’ve had very very bad luck with transfers, but rebuilds in college basketball do not take this long. In an era where pretty much everyone takes in at least one or two transfers a year, some teams with new coaches see success very early. Let’s take a look at Wake Forest, who’s in their 2nd year with Steve Forbes. 11-1 and receiving votes in the AP poll. They have a completely new roster except for 1 player from 2 years ago, and only returned 3 rotation players from last year. These types of season for us should not ever happen, yet it has become the norm. Didn’t you hear? We are in year one of the rebuild. The failure of the previous four years don’t count for some reason.
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Post by conshyhoya on Dec 20, 2021 17:56:50 GMT -5
This has to be a program low over the last 20 years going into conference play. For context, on BT here are the 5 teams AHEAD of us: 161. Appalachian St (6-6) 162. North Colorado (6-7) 163. Tulsa (6-5) 164. Nebraska (5-7) 165. Tarleton St (4-8) That’s really solid company I’m sure the school feels is worthy of the $ being spent on our program. Maybe if we lose a close one to Providence, we can eek ahead of Tarleton St! If it makes you feel better Tarleton State only lost to Gonzaga by 9 They also played Kansas, Michigan, Wichita State and Stanford.
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Post by hoya9797 on Jan 7, 2022 20:52:15 GMT -5
KenPom #129 - setting a new standard!
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jan 7, 2022 22:34:12 GMT -5
KenPom #129 - setting a new standard! Worst KenPom team ranking in KenPom history. Even worse than 2004.
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Post by hoya9797 on Jan 7, 2022 22:35:12 GMT -5
And, next year will be worse!
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Post by hoyaboya on Jan 7, 2022 22:38:48 GMT -5
KenPom #129 - setting a new standard! I think we’ve got a great shot to bump ahead of #128 Jacksonville State if they lose and fall to 7-7 this weekend.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jan 7, 2022 23:20:44 GMT -5
I wish our coach’s salary were tied to KenPom, we’d save a lot of money.
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Post by hoya9797 on Jan 7, 2022 23:23:11 GMT -5
I wish our coach’s salary were tied to KenPom, we’d save a lot of money. I wish our coach was evaluated on things like performance.
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Post by prhoya on Jan 8, 2022 1:48:52 GMT -5
KenPom #129 - setting a new standard! Worst KenPom team ranking in KenPom history. Even worse than 2004. Wow! And someone wrote we’re rebuilding…
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Post by hoyaboya on Jan 8, 2022 11:33:07 GMT -5
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jan 8, 2022 11:46:51 GMT -5
We are also now ranked on KenPom on defense at 165. This is truly atrocious.
For historical perspective, KenPom has defensive ratings since 1997. From 1997 to Ewing’s start, our defense was never under 100 (including under JT3 when many fans asserted it just couldn’t get worse). JT3’s worst teams were his first team which was 97 and 2014, which was 91. Even the 2017 team was ranked 58 on defense.
In the Ewing era, we’ve been under 100 (119, 133, 125, and now 165) four times. This is a solvable problem that hasn’t been solved.
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Post by hoyainla on Jan 8, 2022 18:32:00 GMT -5
We are also now ranked on KenPom on defense at 165. This is truly atrocious. For historical perspective, KenPom has defensive ratings since 1997. From 1997 to Ewing’s start, our defense was never under 100 (including under JT3 when many fans asserted it just couldn’t get worse). JT3’s worst teams were his first team which was 97 and 2014, which was 91. Even the 2017 team was ranked 58 on defense. In the Ewing era, we’ve been under 100 (119, 133, 125, and now 165) four times. This is a solvable problem that hasn’t been solved. Because of how these analytics sites are calculated it's really hard for a power conference team to finish consistently under 100. Low and mid conference teams get dragged down by the SOS measure of it all. We will likely finish higher than 165 but as far as how good we actually are is much lower. It's hard to have the talent and athletes we get and be at this level. I would think most coaches at any level would be able to do a better job with the defense.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jan 9, 2022 11:48:36 GMT -5
I would think most coaches at any level would be able to do a better job with the defense. The only high major (P5 + Big East + AAC) programs with worse defense rankings than Georgetown are Georgia, NC State, and Oregon State. Our defense is bottom of the barrel for high major basketball.
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Post by hoya9797 on Jan 9, 2022 11:52:17 GMT -5
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jan 9, 2022 20:29:33 GMT -5
^^^ Like it or not, this is Ewing’s grade as coach.
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Post by blueandgray on Jan 10, 2022 19:34:43 GMT -5
After 5 years ….it is what it is. Disappointing for sure.
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Post by hoya9797 on Jan 10, 2022 22:58:31 GMT -5
KenPom #129 - setting a new standard! I think we’ve got a great shot to bump ahead of #128 Jacksonville State if they lose and fall to 7-7 this weekend. Well, we’re up to #127 but still trail Jacksonville State as they beat North Alabama and moved up a couple spots.
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Post by hoya9797 on Jan 12, 2022 7:47:07 GMT -5
Back down to #128 but the battle with Jacksonville State is getting tighter. They won yesterday but fell to #127. Temple is nipping at our heels and have an away game tonight against Tulsa. If they win that, I’d suspect they will jump ahead of us. Southern IL also have a game tonight that, if they win, will give them a big boost. It’s possible that we are in the 130s going into tomorrow’s game. We’re in rarified air here.
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Post by hoyaboya on Jan 12, 2022 9:52:06 GMT -5
Back down to #128 but the battle with Jacksonville State is getting tighter. They won yesterday but fell to #127. Temple is nipping at our heels and have an away game tonight against Tulsa. If they win that, I’d suspect they will jump ahead of us. Southern IL also have a game tonight that, if they win, will give them a big boost. It’s possible that we are in the 130s going into tomorrow’s game. We’re in rarified air here. As a means of comparison, the annual men's basketball budgets for our KenPom peers are as follows: Jacksonville State: $1,497,090 Southern Illinois: $2,482,549 Temple: $6,487,460 Georgetown: $13,573,946 www.collegefactual.com/colleges/jacksonville-state-university/student-life/sports/www.collegefactual.com/colleges/southern-illinois-university-carbondale/student-life/sports/#basketballwww.collegefactual.com/colleges/temple-university/student-life/sports/#basketballwww.collegefactual.com/colleges/georgetown-university/student-life/sports/#basketball
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