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Post by jydhoya on Dec 13, 2021 16:13:11 GMT -5
Using “resume of games played” as the proxy, Marquette @ 75 is confusing to me. Neutral court win against West Virginia. Home court win against Illinois. 2 of 3 losses coming against Wisconsin (away) and a very good UCLA team (home). One could argue no worse of an on-court resume than Cincinnati (48), Michigan (50) or Kentucky (53).
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Post by hoyaboya on Dec 15, 2021 9:25:51 GMT -5
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Post by professorhoya on Dec 15, 2021 9:30:07 GMT -5
Using “resume of games played” as the proxy, Marquette @ 75 is confusing to me. Neutral court win against West Virginia. Home court win against Illinois. 2 of 3 losses coming against Wisconsin (away) and a very good UCLA team (home). One could argue no worse of an on-court resume than Cincinnati (48), Michigan (50) or Kentucky (53). I think if you lose by over 10 pts it really hurts your NET score.
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Post by BeantownHoya on Dec 15, 2021 9:33:38 GMT -5
Howard has a NET of 228. So an absolutely must win game if we want to keep any glimmer of hope for postseason play. You lose to Dartmouth and Howard in the same season, I don't think anything else is going to matter on our resume unless we have a crazy good BE record.
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Post by guru on Dec 15, 2021 10:37:32 GMT -5
Look, if we close out with 2 wins this week, then we will have at least stabilized since the really crappy start. TCU looks like a legit "good win" even if it's at home.
We will at least have ourselves in position to contend for a bid with a stronger-than-expected Big East campaign. And we are definitely getting better. Keep trading upward!
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Post by daveg023 on Dec 15, 2021 12:17:35 GMT -5
Look, if we close out with 2 wins this week, then we will have at least stabilized since the really crappy start. TCU looks like a legit "good win" even if it's at home. We will at least have ourselves in position to contend for a bid with a stronger-than-expected Big East campaign. And we are definitely getting better. Keep trading upward! I agree. If we finish 7-4 it’ll be pretty much in line with my expectations going into the year. At best I thought 8-3. I figured split in Anaheim, and 1-2 @ SC, Syracuse, TCU. Still two wins to go to get there, but 7-4 with an outlier loss to Dartmouth wouldn’t be the massive disaster this was shaping up to be at 3-4.
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Post by jydhoya on Dec 15, 2021 12:32:20 GMT -5
Look, if we close out with 2 wins this week, then we will have at least stabilized since the really crappy start. TCU looks like a legit "good win" even if it's at home. We will at least have ourselves in position to contend for a bid with a stronger-than-expected Big East campaign. And we are definitely getting better. Keep trading upward! Agreed. In accordance with the Tiger Woods approach to mapping out a comeback after a bad first round…Win the next 2 (7-4). Go 11-9 in BE regular season play (18-13). 1 win in BE tourney (19-14) = Bubble. 2 wins in BE tourney (20-13) = In.
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Post by hoyaatheart55 on Dec 16, 2021 3:27:02 GMT -5
Look, if we close out with 2 wins this week, then we will have at least stabilized since the really crappy start. TCU looks like a legit "good win" even if it's at home. We will at least have ourselves in position to contend for a bid with a stronger-than-expected Big East campaign. And we are definitely getting better. Keep trading upward! Agreed. In accordance with the Tiger Woods approach to mapping out a comeback after a bad first round…Win the next 2 (7-4). Go 11-9 in BE regular season play (18-13). 1 win in BE tourney (19-14) = Bubble. 2 wins in BE tourney (20-13) = In. Tall task but crazier things have happened
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Dec 16, 2021 8:00:58 GMT -5
Not expecting our team to go 10-10 or better in BE play. That said, I definitely can see us performing better than our expected 10th place finish. Health and continued improvement are key.
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Post by RockawayHoya on Dec 16, 2021 10:53:57 GMT -5
Post Howard:
NET: 174 > 166 RPI: 217 > 194 KenPom: 110 > 111 BT: 166 > 167
Significant boost forthcoming if we can take out TCU on Saturday and continue to dig out of the hole.
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Post by BeantownHoya on Dec 16, 2021 11:43:40 GMT -5
Post Howard: NET: 174 > 166 RPI: 217 > 194 KenPom: 110 > 111 BT: 166 > 167 Significant boost forthcoming if we can take out TCU on Saturday and continue to dig out of the hole. TCU doesn't play again until they face us so their NET should remain relatively static by the time we see them. They should be between 60-65 on Saturday.
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Post by hoyaboya on Dec 16, 2021 12:21:59 GMT -5
Post Howard: NET: 174 > 166 RPI: 217 > 194 KenPom: 110 > 111 BT: 166 > 167 Significant boost forthcoming if we can take out TCU on Saturday and continue to dig out of the hole. For RPI, what site are you using? The one I've seen has Georgtown at #213. realtimerpi.com/rpi_156_Men.html
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Post by RockawayHoya on Dec 16, 2021 12:23:37 GMT -5
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Post by hoyaboya on Dec 16, 2021 12:25:41 GMT -5
Thanks - wonder what causes the discrepancy? They're in the same ballpark so not a big deal, just figured that there had to be one formula so all RPI #s would be consistent.
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Post by RockawayHoya on Dec 16, 2021 12:43:10 GMT -5
Thanks - wonder what causes the discrepancy? They're in the same ballpark so not a big deal, just figured that there had to be one formula so all RPI #s would be consistent. Not 100% sure, but one guess is that RealTimeRPI may still be taking margin of victory/defeat into play, which is not part of the RPI formula. There was a margin-based component in the NET formula a few years back as well, but has been phased out to emphasize efficiency.
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Post by hoyainla on Dec 16, 2021 13:08:54 GMT -5
Not expecting our team to go 10-10 or better in BE play. That said, I definitely can see us performing better than our expected 10th place finish. Health and continued improvement are key. Who do you think we finish ahead of?
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Post by hoyaboya on Dec 16, 2021 13:13:13 GMT -5
Not expecting our team to go 10-10 or better in BE play. That said, I definitely can see us performing better than our expected 10th place finish. Health and continued improvement are key. Who do you think we finish ahead of? Seton Hall if they don't field a team.
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Post by hoyaboya on Dec 20, 2021 9:30:10 GMT -5
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Post by daveg023 on Dec 20, 2021 12:32:15 GMT -5
This has to be a program low over the last 20 years going into conference play. For context, on BT here are the 5 teams AHEAD of us: 161. Appalachian St (6-6) 162. North Colorado (6-7) 163. Tulsa (6-5) 164. Nebraska (5-7) 165. Tarleton St (4-8) That’s really solid company I’m sure the school feels is worthy of the $ being spent on our program. Maybe if we lose a close one to Providence, we can eek ahead of Tarleton St!
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Post by jester on Dec 20, 2021 13:09:24 GMT -5
Well, it may be the only time to say this, but Nova has a worst advanced rating / on the court product then us, since Dec 5th, using his metrics so we share that company
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