tashoya
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Post by tashoya on Nov 26, 2021 23:25:08 GMT -5
No, he isn't. At least, not right now. It's not all that close. I’m fine with them continuing to focus on Harris as some sort of leader/good player - will ensure their record is so bad that a change has to be made. His defense, particularly off-ball, is atrocious. And Tyler has been a defensive stalwart? You're playing yourself. |
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tashoya
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Post by tashoya on Nov 26, 2021 23:25:31 GMT -5
I don't mean this as a slight to Tyler but the Tyler is going to take Dante's spot sooner than later should feel ashamed of themselves. Did you mean Tyler isn't going to take Dante's spot? Not anytime soon. |
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Post by hoya9797 on Nov 26, 2021 23:26:46 GMT -5
At least in 2004, Esh was able to win these games. His disaster came much later.
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Post by saxagael on Nov 26, 2021 23:29:30 GMT -5
What I have been hoping for is he would play them together at times...and spell Harris at times... that's what I want to see. If we are going to a sub 500 team you play beard and Riley... especially after what Carey just showed. These kids need to get 15 minutes a night at least... Playing them together is problematic. They're both small guards. If they were both excellent shooters, maybe that would offset the defensive issue. Beard is a really good point guard, but still adjusting his game to this level. Hargrave seemed to have taken some of the good PG skills he had in high school and travel ball. But, PG adjustment at each level takes time. Beard is a better point guard than shooter, but also can shoot. Beard's length gives him an advantage over Dante, but Dante's motor and on man defense (which he needs to stick to) give him the edge. Having two good point guards is a luxury and something that will help a ton down the road. |
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Post by calhoya on Nov 26, 2021 23:29:52 GMT -5
Random thoughts from a frustrated fan: A well-deserved loss for the Hoyas. Time to stop talking about the youth as an excuse for undisciplined, poor play. Shooting FTs can be taught and this team leaves too many points at the FT line. Aminu may be a great player someday and he is already aggressive and athletic, but he is nowhere near what he has to be if he is going to realize the potential. He simply cannot finish because he is too often out of control. Dante Harris brought them back and then lost his composure and tried to win it by himself. Rice is a one-dimensional streak shooter. There is a role for that type of player but he cannot be counted on on a consistent basis. May be time for me to re-evaluate my view of Carey. On offense we are playing with a maximum of 3-4 players with virtually no effort to incorporate the posts. Last year we forced the ball into the post and it never came out. This year it isn’t even going into the post. The half court offense is just a lot of individual play with little effort to move the ball. Which of the heralded freshmen can actually shoot from deep? Careless TOs have become a hallmark of the Ewing Hoyas. I guess you can say we are playing an NBA type uptempo game, but not sure where that is coming from. We push the ball and often turn it over or take rushed shots. NBA players move the ball and find the open man. Our defense looks best when it is applying pressure but in in the half court it is really not close to good enough. Time alone will not make this group better. They need to be coached to know when to push it, when to pass and when to slow down.
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saxagael
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Post by saxagael on Nov 26, 2021 23:30:06 GMT -5
Did you mean Tyler isn't going to take Dante's spot? Not anytime soon. Just checking. Your post needs and edit. |
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Post by 95hoya on Nov 26, 2021 23:32:59 GMT -5
We aren't that talented. Compared to other P5 programs, we are so well below average.
Harris was so bad tonight. 17 points on 18 shots and bad turnover after bad turnover. At least he plays hard at all times.
Carey has no business starting. His decision making down the stretch was so bad that it needs to result in a benching.
It's concerning to me Riley and Beard can't get major minutes on a bad team. Riley is a poor shooter. Everyone loved the YouTube highlights against bad comp, but we knew his shooting and ball handling were suspect.
In today's game guys who are going to be good typically show it right away. I'm not writing anyone off, but the concerns about the recruiting and talent level are showing up during the season.
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the_way
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Post by the_way on Nov 26, 2021 23:33:26 GMT -5
Beard plays gingerly. Like he is still trying to find his footing. Confidence/swag is not there. Just needs to get more experience.
Dante is the MVP, meaning when he isn't on the court, we lose his handling the rock, penetration, and defense. He has a constant motor and ability that is hard to duplicate or even replace even in stints.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Nov 26, 2021 23:34:16 GMT -5
I think Georgetown played a great second half (at one point 8-9 from three) but Funk turned in one of the great individual performances by an opponent we've seen since Stephen Curry. Every time they needed a big shot, he delivered.
For all of Rice's hot shooting, his defense was lacking when it counted.
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Post by hoyaatheart55 on Nov 26, 2021 23:35:49 GMT -5
I don't mean this as a slight to Tyler but the Tyler is going to take Dante's spot sooner than later should feel ashamed of themselves. Not at all embarrassed. Tyler is a better player than Harris - he just hasn’t been given the same rope. The coaching staff is all in on Harris and it’s part of what will cost them their jobs. You’re insane. |
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Post by the_way on Nov 26, 2021 23:37:52 GMT -5
We aren't that talented. Compared to other P5 programs, we are so well below average. Harris was so bad tonight. 17 points on 18 shots and bad turnover after bad turnover. At least he plays hard at all times. Carey has no business starting. His decision making down the stretch was so bad that it needs to result in a benching. It's concerning to me Riley and Beard can't get major minutes on a bad team. Riley is a poor shooter. Everyone loved the YouTube highlights against bad comp, but we knew his shooting and ball handling were suspect. In today's game guys who are going to be good typically show it right away. I'm not writing anyone off, but the concerns about the recruiting and talent level are showing up during the season. Dante, Blair, Q, Bile,and Pickett weren't world beaters there first 5 games either. Bile was the antichrist on this board at one point early in the season last year. It takes time. Look around college basketball. Iona beat Bama. Dayton beat Kansas. Maryland loses to George Mason and struggles to get wins against the likes of Hofstra. It is early in the season. |
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Post by hoyaatheart55 on Nov 26, 2021 23:38:43 GMT -5
We aren't that talented. Compared to other P5 programs, we are so well below average. Harris was so bad tonight. 17 points on 18 shots and bad turnover after bad turnover. At least he plays hard at all times. Carey has no business starting. His decision making down the stretch was so bad that it needs to result in a benching. It's concerning to me Riley and Beard can't get major minutes on a bad team. Riley is a poor shooter. Everyone loved the YouTube highlights against bad comp, but we knew his shooting and ball handling were suspect. In today's game guys who are going to be good typically show it right away. I'm not writing anyone off, but the concerns about the recruiting and talent level are showing up during the season. Did you watch the game? Dante Harris had a good game and literally had two turnovers that came right after each other but was rock solid with the ball otherwise. You make it sound like he was turnover machine all game. I will grant that he ran out of steam in the last 5 minutes |
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Nov 26, 2021 23:41:02 GMT -5
Maybe Aminu will stay more than one year.
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Post by Hoya Rich on Nov 26, 2021 23:41:39 GMT -5
There were so many wasted efforts in this game - we’d steal a ball with the press but Aminu has his foot out of bounds and doesn’t realize it; ball goes right back to St. Joe’s. Collin is feeling like he can’t be stopped because he hit a 3 a minute earlier so he drives baseline and manages to bounce the ball off his foot. We prevent a number of in-bounds passes under St. Joe’s basket during one key stretch, truly impressive defensive efforts, and yet we can’t possess the ball or hold onto it to create the actual turnover.
We can’t get out of our own way. And that’s what loser teams do, not winning teams.
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saxagael
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Post by saxagael on Nov 26, 2021 23:41:44 GMT -5
I missed last nights game but read to catch up and seems like Hoyas started the game how they left off last night, mostly cold. The first half tonight was really ugly offensively and defensively. The second half was much better.
Aminu making one of his missed 10 shots (0-10) and 1 made free throw from 6 missed of 15 taken and this game is tied. One more make from Aminu and one more free throw and this game is a win.
Hoyas dug themselves a hole in the first half. Horrible basketball IQ with shots early in the clock from deep, not set, and only one other Hoya across half court and 3 or 4 St. Joe's players should never happen. Patrick lit in to the offender about it and pulled him. But, not until it was tried 4 times.
The good from tonight. The young guys are getting a bit better and the reality of playing at this level sets in. Ryan with a really nice 3 pointer and good quick 2 pointer was great to see (two quick fouls not as much). Holloway getting some minutes and getting some rust off was really good to see. Holloway gives us some strength, but also nice 3 shooting, with good defense. Aminu with 9 rebounds was really good to see (but some of that was from him leaving his man he was defending) and his free throws are improving. Hoyas won the second half 41-48, but the first half hole was too much to dig out of.
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Post by 95hoya on Nov 26, 2021 23:44:37 GMT -5
We aren't that talented. Compared to other P5 programs, we are so well below average. Harris was so bad tonight. 17 points on 18 shots and bad turnover after bad turnover. At least he plays hard at all times. Carey has no business starting. His decision making down the stretch was so bad that it needs to result in a benching. It's concerning to me Riley and Beard can't get major minutes on a bad team. Riley is a poor shooter. Everyone loved the YouTube highlights against bad comp, but we knew his shooting and ball handling were suspect. In today's game guys who are going to be good typically show it right away. I'm not writing anyone off, but the concerns about the recruiting and talent level are showing up during the season. Dante, Blair, Q, Bile,and Pickett weren't world beaters there first 5 games either. Bile was the antichrist on this board at one point early in the season last year. It takes time. Look around college basketball. Iona beat Bama. Dayton beat Kansas. Maryland loses to George Mason and struggles to get wins against the likes of Hofstra. It is early in the season. And we weren't good last year. We got rolling, caught some breaks, guys were out with injuries and Covid and we stole a bid. But it wasn't a good team. You can't point to other teams with track records of success and say it happens. We have been legit terrible. These are bad losses to bad teams. |
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Post by tashoya on Nov 26, 2021 23:45:49 GMT -5
Beard plays gingerly. Like he is still trying to find his footing. Confidence/swag is not there. Just needs to get more experience. Dante is the MVP, meaning when he isn't on the court, we lose his handling the rock, penetration, and defense. He has a constant motor and ability that is hard to duplicate or even replace even in stints. Agree. And, in the small sample we've seen of this iteration of the Hoyas, I don't think it's all that debatable. |
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Post by saxagael on Nov 26, 2021 23:46:01 GMT -5
Maybe Aminu will stay more than one year. He made comments along those lines when he committed. He knew he was coming into a very young team that was a good recruiting class, but would take a year to get it going. |
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Post by 95hoya on Nov 26, 2021 23:48:07 GMT -5
We aren't that talented. Compared to other P5 programs, we are so well below average. Harris was so bad tonight. 17 points on 18 shots and bad turnover after bad turnover. At least he plays hard at all times. Carey has no business starting. His decision making down the stretch was so bad that it needs to result in a benching. It's concerning to me Riley and Beard can't get major minutes on a bad team. Riley is a poor shooter. Everyone loved the YouTube highlights against bad comp, but we knew his shooting and ball handling were suspect. In today's game guys who are going to be good typically show it right away. I'm not writing anyone off, but the concerns about the recruiting and talent level are showing up during the season. Did you watch the game? Dante Harris had a good game and literally had two turnovers that came right after each other but was rock solid with the ball otherwise. You make it sound like he was turnover machine all game. I will grant that he ran out of steam in the last 5 minutes I don't think he ran out of steam, he just got caught in no man's land which he does at times. We need better than under a point per shot. He was far from the main culprit, but was getting too much praise for a not so good game. |
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Post by MCIGuy on Nov 26, 2021 23:50:18 GMT -5
Carey was scared to shoot at the end and passed up a lot of shots versus SDSU. I’m a fan, but that’s a Bad look for a team captain… He has value but I am ready for Riley to take more of his minutes and learn to play at this level. |
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