hoyazeke
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Post by hoyazeke on Nov 26, 2021 23:11:49 GMT -5
How do they not get a shot off after not being fouled. Just poor basketball play to close the game out after a valiant second half effort. Carey had 2 reasonable looks on both possessions. If he rises and shoots after receiving the pass on the 1st possession and he had a decent look before passing to Colin. Who didn't have a shot...
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the_way
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Post by the_way on Nov 26, 2021 23:12:39 GMT -5
If he goes, he won’t be a lottery pick with his current skill set. 0-10 against a team like St Joe’s. I think Mohammad gotta be the best player on the team and right now its Dante Harris Aminu has to show skills (or potential) that will transfer to the NBA. Right now, he is a typical high-school "big man" learning how to evolve his game at the college level. He can't get away with what he did in high school. What he does well right now, isn't what the NBA is looking for. He'll need to develop a mid-range game/3 pt shot. College is the best place to do it, if he wants get to the next level. We've seen Dante's growth since his time at G-town. As the season progresses, we'll have to see how Aminu grows.
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hoyaguy
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Post by hoyaguy on Nov 26, 2021 23:12:55 GMT -5
This is just so crap, I expected us to go 1-1 was that really too much? If we had played in a better mini tourney, like some complained about not being in, we would’ve been even more embarrassed
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Post by SSHoya on Nov 26, 2021 23:14:09 GMT -5
I am now officially worried about the Longwood game.
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tashoya
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Post by tashoya on Nov 26, 2021 23:14:14 GMT -5
We set really weak/sloppy picks. I'm glad somebody else sees that! The past 2 games especially. Guards not being remotely hindered by a big at the top of the key is inexcusable.
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tashoya
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Post by tashoya on Nov 26, 2021 23:14:53 GMT -5
I don't mean this as a slight to Tyler but the Tyler is going to take Dante's spot sooner than later crowd should feel ashamed of themselves.
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Post by This Just In on Nov 26, 2021 23:14:59 GMT -5
I am now officially worried about the Longwood game. Longwood should be favored
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Post by RockawayHoya on Nov 26, 2021 23:15:21 GMT -5
I don't expect makes on the last two possessions. I expect takes. Inexcusable.
SJU was not good. But Aminu was a zero on both ends while giving up a career game to Funk, we aren't winning many games like that this year.
Very few positives tonight. Maybe Tim being more of a defensive presence. Maybe Rice balancing out the usual poor defensive effort with some outside shooting. Maybe Holloway with a couple positive plays. But geez, I know I am stretching here while grasping for straws.
Dante's mid-range game looks to continue to be improved, but just horrible decision making coming down the stretch. Can't have that in close games.
The SDSU game, I get. But this and Dartmouth... patience is wearing thin. This program should be able to win those games while learning on the job. It's becoming increasingly alarming that it can't.
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Post by BeantownHoya on Nov 26, 2021 23:17:13 GMT -5
I don't mean this as a slight to Tyler but the Tyler is going to take Dante's spot sooner than later should feel ashamed of themselves. What I have been hoping for is he would play them together at times...and spell Harris at times... that's what I want to see. If we are going to a sub 500 team you play beard and Riley... especially after what Carey just showed. These kids need to get 15 minutes a night at least...
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hoyaboya
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Post by hoyaboya on Nov 26, 2021 23:17:41 GMT -5
I don't mean this as a slight to Tyler but the Tyler is going to take Dante's spot sooner than later should feel ashamed of themselves. Not at all embarrassed. Tyler is a better player than Harris - he just hasn’t been given the same rope. The coaching staff is all in on Harris and it’s part of what will cost them their jobs.
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tashoya
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Post by tashoya on Nov 26, 2021 23:18:09 GMT -5
I think Mohammad gotta be the best player on the team and right now its Dante Harris Aminu has to show skills (or potential) that will transfer to the NBA. Right now, he is a typical high-school "big man" learning how to evolve his game at the college level. He can't get away with what he did in high school. What he does well right now, isn't what the NBA is looking for. He'll need to develop a mid-range game/3 pt shot. College is the best place to do it, if he wants get to the next level. We've seen Dante's growth since his time at G-town. As the season progresses, we'll have to see how Aminu grows. Aminu can't dominate everyone physically at this level much less the next. He's going to need to hone his shooting, his post up game and his decision making when it comes to finishing. He's athletic but it's clear he's still figuring out that his advantage over the typical opponent isn't remotely as big as it was before he got to college. If he becomes a credible outside shooter, it'll help him greatly. And, he's going to need to add to his options for getting to the hoop. The spin move is quickly becoming detrimental.
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Post by saxagael on Nov 26, 2021 23:18:20 GMT -5
If he goes, he won’t be a lottery pick with his current skill set. 0-10 against a team like St Joe’s. I think Mohammad gotta be the best player on the team and right now its Dante Harris St. Joe's watched tape and took out Aminu's game of drive to the basket and just shut him down. They collapsed on him and he rarely kicks it out. Aminu tried to get an inside driving and battling buckets and/or get the foul to get to the line. He took only one three, while St. Joe's covered him well inside and out. Hoyas didn't run picks for him, as Toshhoya pointed out, the Hoyas don't set picks well at all yet. Aminu needs to improve his kicking the ball out when stuck and a pull up jumper. His battling and taking a lot of contact driving inside isn't going to give him a long career as nobody's body can take that over time. Aminu has adjusted his game and it will be time to see more change and more improvement. but right now he needs to work on expanding his game a bit more and find open teammates.
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Post by daveg023 on Nov 26, 2021 23:18:44 GMT -5
I don't expect makes on the last two possessions. I expect takes. Inexcusable. SJU was not good. But Aminu was a zero on both ends while giving up a career game to Funk, we aren't winning many games like that this year. Very few positives tonight. Maybe Tim being more of a defensive presence. Maybe Rice balancing out the usual poor defensive effort with some outside shooting. Maybe Holloway with a couple positive plays. But geez, I know I am stretching here while grasping for straws. Dante's mid-range game looks to continue to be improved, but just horrible decision making coming down the stretch. Can't have that in close games. The SDSU game, I get. But this and Dartmouth... patience is wearing thin. This program should be able to win those games while learning on the job. It's becoming increasingly alarming that it can't. This is my knock too… the program needs to be good enough to still win vs Dartmouth and SJU while developing new guys and learning how to mesh. The fact that we can’t is alarmingly bad for a major program. There is zero excuse for that at this level for the resources the school is devoting to the program. The floor has to be higher.
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tashoya
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Post by tashoya on Nov 26, 2021 23:19:52 GMT -5
I don't mean this as a slight to Tyler but the Tyler is going to take Dante's spot sooner than later should feel ashamed of themselves. Not at all embarrassed. Tyler is a better player than Harris - he just hasn’t been given the same rope. The coaching staff is all in on Harris and it’s part of what will cost them their jobs. No, he isn't. At least, not right now. It's not all that close.
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Post by saxagael on Nov 26, 2021 23:20:41 GMT -5
If he goes, he won’t be a lottery pick with his current skill set. 0-10 against a team like St Joe’s. He can make the 3. He just in HS mode now where he thinks he needs a layup every shot. By mid season he'll learn that he has to take open Js. Yeah, he's made some really nice threes so far. St. Joe's was covering him outside tonight, mostly to keep the ball out of his hands as well as slow him down getting to the basket. His 0-10 shooting tonight may have hurt the most (other than turnovers and free throws).
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hoyazeke
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Post by hoyazeke on Nov 26, 2021 23:21:03 GMT -5
This is rough but I don't think John Wooden himself could make this team much better. The talent is limited and the cohesiveness isn't there with 2 years of turnover. Scared to see if more of that happens by mid season. Who knew Georgetown would be bringing down the Big East. We have talent. The talent is just very young and inexperienced. You look at UCONN for instance, and think they are so talented but they have a bunch of 4th and 5th year players. We think Aminu is really built, and he is, but compare him to Martin, Whaley or Polley and you see a difference. None of the freshmen will hold up against the physicality of the top BE teams.
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Post by the_way on Nov 26, 2021 23:21:23 GMT -5
I can't believe this is where we are in year 5...we are essentially in year 1... we are all saying let's see how we progress and maybe we can be good next year... that's year 1 kind of talk We lost 3 seniors and a transfer (Q) from last year who were are top 4 scorers (and rebounders). So yeah, this was a rebuilding year. 5 freshmen, 1 sophomore are are most talented players. Carey is/was a role player. Captain or not, that is who he is. He isn't Otto Porter. Rice has shown some flashes, but he mainly just shoots 3s. Now people hyped up our incoming recruiting class, maybe because of stars next to the names. But with recruiting, it is about fulfilling needs, not just the stars. We have 1 primary ballhandler, very few consistent threats from outside and 3's. But again, its early in the season. Let's not write off the team just yet. A lot of ball to play and room for improvement.
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tashoya
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Post by tashoya on Nov 26, 2021 23:21:31 GMT -5
I don't mean this as a slight to Tyler but the Tyler is going to take Dante's spot sooner than later should feel ashamed of themselves. What I have been hoping for is he would play them together at times...and spell Harris at times... that's what I want to see. If we are going to a sub 500 team you play beard and Riley... especially after what Carey just showed. These kids need to get 15 minutes a night at least... Playing them together is problematic. They're both small guards. If they were both excellent shooters, maybe that would offset the defensive issue.
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Post by hoyaboya on Nov 26, 2021 23:22:34 GMT -5
Not at all embarrassed. Tyler is a better player than Harris - he just hasn’t been given the same rope. The coaching staff is all in on Harris and it’s part of what will cost them their jobs. No, he isn't. At least, not right now. It's not all that close. I’m fine with them continuing to focus on Harris as some sort of leader/good player - will ensure their record is so bad that a change has to be made. His defense, particularly off-ball, is atrocious.
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Post by saxagael on Nov 26, 2021 23:24:11 GMT -5
I don't mean this as a slight to Tyler but the Tyler is going to take Dante's spot sooner than later should feel ashamed of themselves. Did you mean Tyler isn't going to take Dante's spot?
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