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Post by hoyaatheart55 on Nov 17, 2021 2:16:13 GMT -5
Kids a freak athlete.
We’re starting to stack a roster full of em and I ain’t mad at it.
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Post by wsdhoya on Nov 17, 2021 2:19:53 GMT -5
Cool highlights but they give us pretty much nothing in terms of evaluation. We know he's an elite athlete, that much is quite obvious and exciting. However, I would much rather see some highlights of him hitting jumpshots or driving past defenders and finding open teammates, since that is more important than being able to dunk off the backboard in a mismatched high school game that had the look of a track meet.
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Post by BeantownHoya on Nov 17, 2021 6:49:13 GMT -5
Cool highlights but they give us pretty much nothing in terms of evaluation. We know he's an elite athlete, that much is quite obvious and exciting. However, I would much rather see some highlights of him hitting jumpshots or driving past defenders and finding open teammates, since that is more important than being able to dunk off the backboard in a mismatched high school game that had the look of a track meet. Their Instagram highlights...if you were expecting tape to evaluate his game I don't think you realize what people use Instagram for... it's supposed to be fun.
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Post by wsdhoya on Nov 17, 2021 9:10:24 GMT -5
Cool highlights but they give us pretty much nothing in terms of evaluation. We know he's an elite athlete, that much is quite obvious and exciting. However, I would much rather see some highlights of him hitting jumpshots or driving past defenders and finding open teammates, since that is more important than being able to dunk off the backboard in a mismatched high school game that had the look of a track meet. Their Instagram highlights...if you were expecting tape to evaluate his game I don't think you realize what people use Instagram for... it's supposed to be fun. Totally agree. Not criticizing just commenting that actual player evaluation is much different. Trust me if I could make plays like that I’d be posting it on Instagram too.
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Post by hoyaboya on Nov 29, 2021 19:42:55 GMT -5
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Post by prhoya on Nov 29, 2021 19:57:56 GMT -5
Fits right in with Pat’s offensive scheme. No pass, minimal movement by teammates (because they know he’s going to shoot), one-v-one NBA ball… I wonder why no team has won a NCAAT title with that offensive style…
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Post by MCIGuy on Nov 30, 2021 0:31:13 GMT -5
Fits right in with Pat’s offensive scheme. No pass, minimal movement by teammates (because they know he’s going to shoot), one-v-one NBA ball… I wonder why no team has won a NCAAT title with that offensive style… You do realize that for a couple of seasons, maybe a few, the Hoyas under Coach Ewing have been at or near the top of the Big East in terms of assists, right? Something that would require players to pass, move the ball and find the open man/shooter. Also Ewing has pretty much never had a player who could get buckets by going one-on-one at all times whenever he wanted anyway. Even McClung who came into college with that reputation pretty much had to pick his spots when he went with that option and if he did so to the detriment of the Georgetown team he would often get yanked and had to take a seat. You recall any of that or are you blocking it out in order to better booster your argument? Offense for these Ewing teams have not been the problem. Its been the lack of bite on defense that has been the far greater ailment. And goodness you couldn't help yourself from venturing into Cliche City with that tired, old viewpoint that NBA players just go one-on-one every time down the court. That type of ignorance comes far too often from college fans who don't watch the NBA and thereby don't have a freakin' clue of how that game is played. Its up there with other nonsense such as NBA guys don't play defense, NBA guys don't play hard, NBA guys don't care, blah, blah, blah. In my experience I find that these sentiments tend to be expressed by folks who think that as soon as the college players they rooted for leave the plantation and have the audacity to start earning money at the next level, they fall into some abyss of selfish corruptibility which leads to a form of amnesia in terms of playing "the right way." Of course that is ludicrous considering there are ZERO metrics out there that would prove the college game is more pure and team oriented when it comes to actual play on the court. By the way last time I checked no NBA team has ever won a championship with an offense dominated by one-on-one play either. Anyway congrats on venting your frustration on what's going on with the program by taking what would qualify as a shot at a recruit (on his thread no less!) who actually wants to come to Georgetown to play. Amazing.
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Post by prhoya on Nov 30, 2021 7:49:10 GMT -5
Fits right in with Pat’s offensive scheme. No pass, minimal movement by teammates (because they know he’s going to shoot), one-v-one NBA ball… I wonder why no team has won a NCAAT title with that offensive style… You do realize that for a couple of seasons, maybe a few, the Hoyas under Coach Ewing have been at or near the top of the Big East in terms of assists, right? Something that would require players to pass, move the ball and find the open man/shooter. Also Ewing has pretty much never had a player who could get buckets by going one-on-one at all times whenever he wanted anyway. Even McClung who came into college with that reputation pretty much had to pick his spots when he went with that option and if he did so to the detriment of the Georgetown team he would often get yanked and had to take a seat. You recall any of that or are you blocking it out in order to better booster your argument? Offense for these Ewing teams have not been the problem. Its been the lack of bite on defense that has been the far greater ailment. And goodness you couldn't help yourself from venturing into Cliche City with that tired, old viewpoint that NBA players just go one-on-one every time down the court. That type of ignorance comes far too often from college fans who don't watch the NBA and thereby don't have a freakin' clue of how that game is played. Its up there with other nonsense such as NBA guys don't play defense, NBA guys don't play hard, NBA guys don't care, blah, blah, blah. In my experience I find that these sentiments tend to be expressed by folks who think that as soon as the college players they rooted for leave the plantation and have the audacity to start earning money at the next level, they fall into some abyss of selfish corruptibility which leads to a form of amnesia in terms of playing "the right way." Of course that is ludicrous considering there are ZERO metrics out there that would prove the college game is more pure and team oriented when it comes to actual play on the court. By the way last time I checked no NBA team has ever won a championship with an offense dominated by one-on-one play either. Anyway congrats on venting your frustration on what's going on with the program by taking what would qualify as a shot at a recruit (on his thread no less!) who actually wants to come to Georgetown to play. Amazing. I see someone woke up/went to sleep on the wrong side of bed this morning with his/her (which pronouns do you use?) undies up their behind. “Plantation”?! In previous years, we had a dump-it-to-the-post offense first and of course with good college basketball centers that is going to lead to high assist numbers. It’s been Govan, Govan and Omer, plus Qudus (actually, we were 209 last year). This year, without a dominant center, we are seeing the first view of a different style of play with more 1-v-1, less player movement and less passing to open players, and are ranked #239 in apg. What we’re seeing now is players taking a 1-v-1 approach, with Tim driving from about 19’ for a TO, with Aminu backing his man all the way from the perimeter, Dante shooting long 2s, Carey probing all by himself, even Holloway is backing his man 1-v-1 from the perimeter. Except vs American, we have lost the assist battle in every game, with SDSU being the worst game at only 6 assists. Is this Pat’s preferred offensive scheme or is it the dump-to-post or is there something else and he still hasn’t found the right mix of players in Year 5? What we need every year is more movement and more passing to find open players. As to Bass, you can go up this thread to find out that I’m excited about this player and seems to me that he has a talent we haven’t seen in a long time at GU. I do agree with you in that, up to now, “ ts been the lack of bite on defense that has been the far greater ailment.”
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Post by calhoya on Nov 30, 2021 7:56:23 GMT -5
Fits right in with Pat’s offensive scheme. No pass, minimal movement by teammates (because they know he’s going to shoot), one-v-one NBA ball… I wonder why no team has won a NCAAT title with that offensive style… You do realize that for a couple of seasons, maybe a few, the Hoyas under Coach Ewing have been at or near the top of the Big East in terms of assists, right? Something that would require players to pass, move the ball and find the open man/shooter. Also Ewing has pretty much never had a player who could get buckets by going one-on-one at all times whenever he wanted anyway. Even McClung who came into college with that reputation pretty much had to pick his spots when he went with that option and if he did so to the detriment of the Georgetown team he would often get yanked and had to take a seat. You recall any of that or are you blocking it out in order to better booster your argument? Offense for these Ewing teams have not been the problem. Its been the lack of bite on defense that has been the far greater ailment. And goodness you couldn't help yourself from venturing into Cliche City with that tired, old viewpoint that NBA players just go one-on-one every time down the court. That type of ignorance comes far too often from college fans who don't watch the NBA and thereby don't have a freakin' clue of how that game is played. Its up there with other nonsense such as NBA guys don't play defense, NBA guys don't play hard, NBA guys don't care, blah, blah, blah. In my experience I find that these sentiments tend to be expressed by folks who think that as soon as the college players they rooted for leave the plantation and have the audacity to start earning money at the next level, they fall into some abyss of selfish corruptibility which leads to a form of amnesia in terms of playing "the right way." Of course that is ludicrous considering there are ZERO metrics out there that would prove the college game is more pure and team oriented when it comes to actual play on the court. By the way last time I checked no NBA team has ever won a championship with an offense dominated by one-on-one play either. Anyway congrats on venting your frustration on what's going on with the program by taking what would qualify as a shot at a recruit (on his thread no less!) who actually wants to come to Georgetown to play. Amazing. Is that you MCI or is Coach McDermott using your handle on this site?
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Post by MCIGuy on Nov 30, 2021 14:25:41 GMT -5
I see someone woke up/went to sleep on the wrong side of bed this morning with his/her (which pronouns do you use?) undies up their behind. “Plantation”?! Was that really your open salvo? No, no, no, no, no, no. Stop moving those goal posts, Lucy. You implicitly took a swing at Ewing's "offensive scheme". Any rational person reading that would take it you meant it as a diss of the offensive approach he has installed over five seasons, not what he he has cooked up over a mere five games of this season. If it was just about THIS SEASON in which the team doesn't appear to have a big man to toss it down to into the paint, why would you claim snarkily that Bass should be a perfect fit since none of us can truly say how the Hoyas' inside play will shape up NEXT season? My point was that Ewing's Hoyas had regularly been at the top of the Big East when it comes to racking up assists. Who gives a ::bleep:: how they got to that point? Would you be critical of a team who compiled much of those assists through fast breaks or constant kick-outs to shooters beyond the three-point line? An assist is an assist, no matter how it comes about. Ultimately it comes down to sharing the ball. If your game plan is more center-focused because you have effective bigs on your roster, then so be it. You utilize the personnel you have in the best manner possible. That said I don't even buy into your explanation to dismiss the assist showing of the previous Hoyas teams under Ewing. Govan, Yurtseven and Wahab were all three different types of centers with three very different approaches in terms of where they wanted the ball and what they would do with it when they got it. For God's sakes Wahab has been lambasted by Hoya faithful for being a horrific and often unwilling passer. Yet despite that and the unique traits of those big guys, Ewing's teams have shown at the very least that they would generate buckets via the pass. Period. You can't provide zero statistical evidence to counter that. But to play devil's advocate....if the formidable big man in the middle has been the key factor in determining the assist total, can't you cut this team some slack for having to make a big adjustment and go a different route with a large overhaul of the roster to boot? Anyway I'm afraid you showed you hand with that whole NBA one-on-one ignorance, suggesting that Ewing, a former NBA star, had brought some imagined pro ball corruption into the college game. Are you serious? Take Ighoefe for example. He barely looks to take a shot and rarely gets the ball, so it is not a concern that he got itchy one time to try to do something out of his comfort zone. As long as it doesn't become a habit why reach to the bottom to pull that one turnover out of your hat? I totally agree though that Dante and Carey need to work better within an offensive scheme and look to make better passing decisions. But again cut them some slack. They may be returning players but they are both in a position in which they have to play expanded roles in season two. As for Holloway I see that as an overeager teammate returning from an injury who is trying to overcome rust while also attempting to make something happen when his team is down, even if that something is detrimental to the offense (particularly if he misses a shot or turns the ball over). Of course Aminu is the worse offender with his narrow-window insistence on driving to the hoop regardless of the situation of the openness of his teammates. But despite his five-star status he is still is a freshman who has to learn how to play on this level. I've seen all of this before with college teams and I'm certain you have too. No, arguing that. But we have shooters not knocking down open looks, big men who we can't/won't dump it into the paint for buckets and a non-existent fastbreak offense at this stage. Hard to accumulate assist numbers under such circumstances.
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Post by MCIGuy on Nov 30, 2021 14:36:33 GMT -5
You do realize that for a couple of seasons, maybe a few, the Hoyas under Coach Ewing have been at or near the top of the Big East in terms of assists, right? Something that would require players to pass, move the ball and find the open man/shooter. Also Ewing has pretty much never had a player who could get buckets by going one-on-one at all times whenever he wanted anyway. Even McClung who came into college with that reputation pretty much had to pick his spots when he went with that option and if he did so to the detriment of the Georgetown team he would often get yanked and had to take a seat. You recall any of that or are you blocking it out in order to better booster your argument? Offense for these Ewing teams have not been the problem. Its been the lack of bite on defense that has been the far greater ailment. And goodness you couldn't help yourself from venturing into Cliche City with that tired, old viewpoint that NBA players just go one-on-one every time down the court. That type of ignorance comes far too often from college fans who don't watch the NBA and thereby don't have a freakin' clue of how that game is played. Its up there with other nonsense such as NBA guys don't play defense, NBA guys don't play hard, NBA guys don't care, blah, blah, blah. In my experience I find that these sentiments tend to be expressed by folks who think that as soon as the college players they rooted for leave the plantation and have the audacity to start earning money at the next level, they fall into some abyss of selfish corruptibility which leads to a form of amnesia in terms of playing "the right way." Of course that is ludicrous considering there are ZERO metrics out there that would prove the college game is more pure and team oriented when it comes to actual play on the court. By the way last time I checked no NBA team has ever won a championship with an offense dominated by one-on-one play either. Anyway congrats on venting your frustration on what's going on with the program by taking what would qualify as a shot at a recruit (on his thread no less!) who actually wants to come to Georgetown to play. Amazing. Is that you MCI or is Coach McDermott using your handle on this site? I won't attempt to insult either or our intelligence by breaking down the difference of how I used that expression and whom I was directing it to.
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Post by calhoya on Nov 30, 2021 15:33:56 GMT -5
Is that you MCI or is Coach McDermott using your handle on this site? I won't attempt to insult either or our intelligence by breaking down the difference of how I used that expression and whom I was directing it to. Just joking MCI. No offense intended.
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Post by bigelephant on Nov 30, 2021 15:35:05 GMT -5
GOOD!
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Post by centercourt400s on Dec 1, 2021 13:05:02 GMT -5
Fits right in with Pat’s offensive scheme. No pass, minimal movement by teammates (because they know he’s going to shoot), one-v-one NBA ball… I wonder why no team has won a NCAAT title with that offensive style… I don't care where you fall on the spectrum of Hoya fans, posting manufactured criticism of a HIGH SCHOOL athlete who has never played a second of basketball for Georgetown, is a classless and disgusting move.
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Post by prhoya on Dec 1, 2021 14:12:32 GMT -5
As I said before, you can go up this thread to find out that I’m excited about this player and seems to me that he has a talent we haven’t seen in a long time at GU. You misinterpreted my post.
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Post by centercourt400s on Dec 1, 2021 17:08:18 GMT -5
As I said before, you can go up this thread to find out that I’m excited about this player and seems to me that he has a talent we haven’t seen in a long time at GU. You misinterpreted my post. Ok, but you are skating on a razor thin edge with that post and subsequent explanation. I'd suggest that when discussing high school non-enrolled athletes, being much more thoughtful is warranted. In my opinion, most who read the post would see it as sarcastic criticism of the athlete, and why would you even want to get close to that?
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Post by prhoya on Dec 1, 2021 17:11:40 GMT -5
As I said before, you can go up this thread to find out that I’m excited about this player and seems to me that he has a talent we haven’t seen in a long time at GU. You misinterpreted my post. Ok, but you are skating on a razor thin edge with that post and subsequent explanation. I'd suggest that when discussing high school non-enrolled athletes, being much more thoughtful is warranted. In my opinion, most who read the post would see it as sarcastic criticism of the athlete, and why would you even want to get close to that? Center, I love Bass as a recruit and I think he’s going to be electric for a program that needs it. My last post on this…
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Post by hoyas315 on Dec 2, 2021 15:38:54 GMT -5
D’ante Bass | 6-7 | SF | 2022 | Windsor Forest
Was excited to see Bass unshackled from the Atlanta Celtics and he didn’t disappoint, as the Georgetown-commit showed off his uber-athleticism with some highlight-reel dunks and high-flying antics across the board. But there’s much more to the package with plenty of deep shooting range and some slick maneuvering when he’s on the attack.
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Post by hoyazeke on Dec 2, 2021 17:39:28 GMT -5
As I said before, you can go up this thread to find out that I’m excited about this player and seems to me that he has a talent we haven’t seen in a long time at GU. You misinterpreted my post. pr you were throwing shade at Ewing and you didn't care if Bass was collateral damage. You knew what you were doing when you typed your comment. You may like Bass but your comment comes across as if you hate Ewing more.
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Post by prhoya on Dec 2, 2021 17:52:40 GMT -5
As I said before, you can go up this thread to find out that I’m excited about this player and seems to me that he has a talent we haven’t seen in a long time at GU. You misinterpreted my post. pr you were throwing shade at Ewing and you didn't care if Bass was collateral damage. You knew what you were doing when you typed your comment. You may like Bass but your comment comes across as if you hate Ewing more. B.S. As I’ve stated numerous times since his hiring, I’ve wanted Ewing to succeed since Day 1 because that would mean that the school would succeed. For me, it’s about the school, not the man in charge. I understood how and why he was hired. I commend Ewing and staff for finding such a unique talent in Bass, who could be yet another diamond in the rough in a team full of them.
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