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Post by Lethal_Interjection on Jun 9, 2021 13:04:10 GMT -5
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jun 9, 2021 13:31:44 GMT -5
I agree and I don't like it one bit! They are trying to destroy college basketball! How are "the negative effects already apparent..."? Without having the time to go into this in depth now, here are a few of what I perceive as the negative effects: (1) More instability as players transfer among programs. From this point forward, nobody on the roster will be "safe," not to bolt somewhere else, especially if we struggle to put a winning team out there. (2) Likelihood that coaches are poaching players from programs before they even enter the transfer portal (and of course, this is not legal under NCAA rules, but like a lot of things in college basketball recruiting, it happens anyway). (3) A talent drain from mid-majors and lesser conferences. There already has been and I think there will continue to be a move of guys from mid-majors or weaker major programs to better ones. This is going to decimate mid-majors and their ability to compete. (4) I know many do not care about this, but it makes a mockery out of the idea of a student-athlete and makes it clear that college basketball is a business with little actual relevance to the "student" part. I think the ship has sailed on that, so I guess it doesn't bother me as much as it probably should, but I still don't like the fact that college basketball serves as a de facto minor league for the NBA because the NBA won't change its age policies. The G League has helped that problem a little, but it's still a problem. I get that it's a balance, and these factors likely do not matter to some. I am not here to debate that. If you think that the above factors don't matter, OR that the freedom of movement is more important, then I get where you are coming from. But, like anything, there are tradeoffs to any choice, and I think there are a lot of negatives that will emerge from this policy.
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Post by hoyaduck on Jun 10, 2021 14:08:48 GMT -5
1. Villanova 2. UConn 3. Xavier 4. Georgetown "Potential starters: Dante Harris, Donald Carey, Aminu Mohammed (Fr.), Kaiden Rice (transfer), Tre King (transfer) Bench: Timothy Ighoefe, Jordan Riley (Fr.), Ryan Mutombo (Fr.), Jalin Billingsley (Fr.), Tyler Beard (Fr.), Kobe Clark, Collin Holloway, Malcolm Wilson Big East Tournament champion Georgetown was gutted this offseason. Many of the key players from the team’s Cinderella run are now gone, including Jahvon Blair (15.4 ppg), Qudus Wahab (12.7 ppg), Jamorko Pickett (12.2 ppg) and Chudier Bile (10.2 ppg). Losing that kind of production would usually be enough to cripple a program. But Ewing has reinforcements on the way. The Hoyas will welcome the No. 16 recruiting class in the country this summer, headlined by Ewing’s first five-star recruit in Mohammed, the No. 3-ranked shooting guard in the class of 2021. Georgetown lost a lot of talent this offseason, but Harris and Carey will be back, which at least gives it some experience in the backcourt. And up front it will be interesting to see how Rice and King adjust to playing at a high-major level. But both proved effective at the mid-major level, and they’ll help make up for some of the experience the Hoyas lost. Harris really elevated his play toward the end of last season, especially against Villanova, and should be better in 2021-22 — more poised, more efficient. And Mutombo appears to be the center of the future and should slide into the rotation early. In many ways, this is a new-look Georgetown team compared to last year. But perhaps that’s a good thing. The talent level has gone way up. And it should be enough to keep the momentum going." 5. Butler 6. Creighton 7. St. John's 8. Providence 9. Marquette 10. Seton Hall 11. DePaul theathletic.com/2642540/2021/06/10/early-big-east-mens-basketball-rankings-villanova-uconn-look-like-the-top-teams/
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Post by hoyaguy on Jun 10, 2021 15:10:26 GMT -5
1. Villanova 2. UConn 3. Xavier 4. Georgetown "Potential starters: Dante Harris, Donald Carey, Aminu Mohammed (Fr.), Kaiden Rice (transfer), Tre King (transfer) Bench: Timothy Ighoefe, Jordan Riley (Fr.), Ryan Mutombo (Fr.), Jalin Billingsley (Fr.), Tyler Beard (Fr.), Kobe Clark, Collin Holloway, Malcolm Wilson Big East Tournament champion Georgetown was gutted this offseason. Many of the key players from the team’s Cinderella run are now gone, including Jahvon Blair (15.4 ppg), Qudus Wahab (12.7 ppg), Jamorko Pickett (12.2 ppg) and Chudier Bile (10.2 ppg). Losing that kind of production would usually be enough to cripple a program. But Ewing has reinforcements on the way. The Hoyas will welcome the No. 16 recruiting class in the country this summer, headlined by Ewing’s first five-star recruit in Mohammed, the No. 3-ranked shooting guard in the class of 2021. Georgetown lost a lot of talent this offseason, but Harris and Carey will be back, which at least gives it some experience in the backcourt. And up front it will be interesting to see how Rice and King adjust to playing at a high-major level. But both proved effective at the mid-major level, and they’ll help make up for some of the experience the Hoyas lost. Harris really elevated his play toward the end of last season, especially against Villanova, and should be better in 2021-22 — more poised, more efficient. And Mutombo appears to be the center of the future and should slide into the rotation early. In many ways, this is a new-look Georgetown team compared to last year. But perhaps that’s a good thing. The talent level has gone way up. And it should be enough to keep the momentum going." 5. Butler 6. Creighton 7. St. John's 8. Providence 9. Marquette 10. Seton Hall 11. DePaul theathletic.com/2642540/2021/06/10/early-big-east-mens-basketball-rankings-villanova-uconn-look-like-the-top-teams/Finally someone doesn’t just say “too young” and doesn’t actually look into our transfers and sticks us in close to the bottom, I’m not saying he will be right but I pray that he is and grateful he wasn’t superficial about it like many “experts”
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2021 15:14:56 GMT -5
Honestly, I think four is being too generous. I think we are more like six or seven or eight. But hey, if we get to four...I am more than elated!
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Post by hoyaguy on Jun 10, 2021 15:43:37 GMT -5
Honestly, I think four is being too generous. I think we are more like six or seven or eight. But hey, if we get to four...I am more than elated! I was definitely shocked at 4th but yea I mean if everything were to fall into place it’s possible, I’m more so caring about getting back to the dance again
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Post by hoyazeke on Jun 10, 2021 18:35:51 GMT -5
I think 4 is too low. I believe we will have addiction by subtraction and the new pieces will be better than the old ones by January. We are young but we have way more talent. The only question for me is whether Champagnie comes back. If he stays in the draft StJs will be average but if he comes back they will push everyone back. I also think we matchup better with Nova and UCONN than we did last year.
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Post by professorhoya on Jun 10, 2021 18:54:35 GMT -5
1. Villanova 2. UConn 3. Xavier 4. Georgetown "Potential starters: Dante Harris, Donald Carey, Aminu Mohammed (Fr.), Kaiden Rice (transfer), Tre King (transfer) Bench: Timothy Ighoefe, Jordan Riley (Fr.), Ryan Mutombo (Fr.), Jalin Billingsley (Fr.), Tyler Beard (Fr.), Kobe Clark, Collin Holloway, Malcolm Wilson Big East Tournament champion Georgetown was gutted this offseason. Many of the key players from the team’s Cinderella run are now gone, including Jahvon Blair (15.4 ppg), Qudus Wahab (12.7 ppg), Jamorko Pickett (12.2 ppg) and Chudier Bile (10.2 ppg). Losing that kind of production would usually be enough to cripple a program. But Ewing has reinforcements on the way. The Hoyas will welcome the No. 16 recruiting class in the country this summer, headlined by Ewing’s first five-star recruit in Mohammed, the No. 3-ranked shooting guard in the class of 2021. Georgetown lost a lot of talent this offseason, but Harris and Carey will be back, which at least gives it some experience in the backcourt. And up front it will be interesting to see how Rice and King adjust to playing at a high-major level. But both proved effective at the mid-major level, and they’ll help make up for some of the experience the Hoyas lost. Harris really elevated his play toward the end of last season, especially against Villanova, and should be better in 2021-22 — more poised, more efficient. And Mutombo appears to be the center of the future and should slide into the rotation early. In many ways, this is a new-look Georgetown team compared to last year. But perhaps that’s a good thing. The talent level has gone way up. And it should be enough to keep the momentum going." 5. Butler 6. Creighton 7. St. John's 8. Providence 9. Marquette 10. Seton Hall 11. DePaul theathletic.com/2642540/2021/06/10/early-big-east-mens-basketball-rankings-villanova-uconn-look-like-the-top-teams/Pretty sure Jordan Riley will be in the starting line up.
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Post by hoyazeke on Jun 10, 2021 19:42:25 GMT -5
1. Villanova 2. UConn 3. Xavier 4. Georgetown "Potential starters: Dante Harris, Donald Carey, Aminu Mohammed (Fr.), Kaiden Rice (transfer), Tre King (transfer) Bench: Timothy Ighoefe, Jordan Riley (Fr.), Ryan Mutombo (Fr.), Jalin Billingsley (Fr.), Tyler Beard (Fr.), Kobe Clark, Collin Holloway, Malcolm Wilson Big East Tournament champion Georgetown was gutted this offseason. Many of the key players from the team’s Cinderella run are now gone, including Jahvon Blair (15.4 ppg), Qudus Wahab (12.7 ppg), Jamorko Pickett (12.2 ppg) and Chudier Bile (10.2 ppg). Losing that kind of production would usually be enough to cripple a program. But Ewing has reinforcements on the way. The Hoyas will welcome the No. 16 recruiting class in the country this summer, headlined by Ewing’s first five-star recruit in Mohammed, the No. 3-ranked shooting guard in the class of 2021. Georgetown lost a lot of talent this offseason, but Harris and Carey will be back, which at least gives it some experience in the backcourt. And up front it will be interesting to see how Rice and King adjust to playing at a high-major level. But both proved effective at the mid-major level, and they’ll help make up for some of the experience the Hoyas lost. Harris really elevated his play toward the end of last season, especially against Villanova, and should be better in 2021-22 — more poised, more efficient. And Mutombo appears to be the center of the future and should slide into the rotation early. In many ways, this is a new-look Georgetown team compared to last year. But perhaps that’s a good thing. The talent level has gone way up. And it should be enough to keep the momentum going." 5. Butler 6. Creighton 7. St. John's 8. Providence 9. Marquette 10. Seton Hall 11. DePaul theathletic.com/2642540/2021/06/10/early-big-east-mens-basketball-rankings-villanova-uconn-look-like-the-top-teams/Pretty sure Jordan Riley will be in the starting line up. Who you pushing out professor? Carey or do you want to go smaller with a Dante, DC, Riley, Aminu and King lineup?
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Post by professorhoya on Jun 10, 2021 19:59:59 GMT -5
Pretty sure Jordan Riley will be in the starting line up. Who you pushing out professor? Carey or do you want to go smaller with a Dante, DC, Riley, Aminu and King lineup? Best Players: Dante The 3 Wings: Aminu, Carey, Riley King 3 Elite athletes in Aminu, Riley, King NBA level sharpshooter in Carey Floor General (TM) Dante Kaden Rice will sub in as will Tim (who will also get the nominal start and play until he messes up or gets in foul trouble and then get the quick hook) Maybe Beard or Mutombo surprises and has accelerated development that force their way into starting line up but that is unpredictable and would be a bonus. Coach has alot of pieces to work with and can play a lot of lineups. Coach has never had this level of talent and different types of weapons since he got here (the Josh/Akinjo + 2 transfer year was probably close but that team never came to fruition and also was flawed because Akinjo lacks athleticism/ball dominant, Mac too ball dominant, both are not great defenders, and then team lacked a true small ball center that could be inserted depending on the matchup. I think that was a tourney team if everyone had played but depending on who they played in the tourney would have eventually flamed out due to lacking a true small ball center and being defensively weak at the guard spots assuming Mac and Akinjo were playing alot of the minutes)
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Post by dense on Jun 10, 2021 21:17:07 GMT -5
I shutter to think how much more offensive efficient we will be with the finished fastbreaks alone with the new guys, especially Aminu and Jordan.
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Post by seaweed on Jun 14, 2021 21:34:51 GMT -5
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Post by hoyaguy on Jun 14, 2021 22:18:46 GMT -5
Another that just points out the obvious “too young“ and dumps us at near bottom like last season with a team that wasn’t “too young”. It would be crazy if an “analysis” can produce an original observation, thought or conclusion
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2021 0:31:16 GMT -5
Another that just points out the obvious “too young“ and dumps us at near bottom like last season with a team that wasn’t “too young”. It would be crazy if an “analysis” can produce an original observation, thought or conclusion I don't see this analysis as being unrealistic. The bottom line is....we lost all of our seniors and upperclassmen. We are truly truly a young squad with guys who have to learn how to play and compete on the college level and they have to learn how to play together. This is a very tall task for our young fellas. There was one other analysis that had the Hoyas at the fourth spot which I thought was too generous. However, If we get there I will be elated but my expectations is that we will fall between 7 and 10.
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Post by hoyazeke on Jun 15, 2021 5:11:11 GMT -5
Another that just points out the obvious “too young“ and dumps us at near bottom like last season with a team that wasn’t “too young”. It would be crazy if an “analysis” can produce an original observation, thought or conclusion I don't see this analysis as being unrealistic. The bottom line is....we lost all of our seniors and upperclassmen. We are truly truly a young squad with guys who have to learn how to play and compete on the college level and they have to learn how to play together. This is a very tall task for our young fellas. There was one other analysis that had the Hoyas at the fourth spot which I thought was too generous. However, If we get there I will be elated but my expectations is that we will fall between 7 and 10. By normal college standards our team isn't that young. We have 1 soph, 2 Sr and 2 fresh in the starting lineup. It may take a few weeks to gel but most teams deal with this yearly or at least every 2 years. HFSEE the 80s aren't coming back. The team that we should be striving to become will have 1 to 2 kids leaving by sophomore year and being replaced by high 4*/5* kids. Similar to the Nova model.
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Post by calhoya on Jun 15, 2021 6:43:04 GMT -5
Another that just points out the obvious “too young“ and dumps us at near bottom like last season with a team that wasn’t “too young”. It would be crazy if an “analysis” can produce an original observation, thought or conclusion I don't see this analysis as being unrealistic. The bottom line is....we lost all of our seniors and upperclassmen. We are truly truly a young squad with guys who have to learn how to play and compete on the college level and they have to learn how to play together. This is a very tall task for our young fellas. There was one other analysis that had the Hoyas at the fourth spot which I thought was too generous. However, If we get there I will be elated but my expectations is that we will fall between 7 and 10. Agree. The only part of the analysis that I do not agree with is that I believe the loss of Wahab will not be as big a factor as the author. Not happy that Wahab left, but unless his skillset took a significant leap and he could develop an offensive game away from the basket, I think his presence would actually hurt the style of some of the incoming players. These guys appear to thrive on getting to the basket and playing a more open, spread out style than we did most of last year. Having an offense that brings the ball down and forces it in to Wahab does not seem compatible with that approach.
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Post by EtomicB on Jun 15, 2021 7:16:20 GMT -5
I don't see this analysis as being unrealistic. The bottom line is....we lost all of our seniors and upperclassmen. We are truly truly a young squad with guys who have to learn how to play and compete on the college level and they have to learn how to play together. This is a very tall task for our young fellas. There was one other analysis that had the Hoyas at the fourth spot which I thought was too generous. However, If we get there I will be elated but my expectations is that we will fall between 7 and 10. Agree. The only part of the analysis that I do not agree with is that I believe the loss of Wahab will not be as big a factor as the author. Not happy that Wahab left, but unless his skillset took a significant leap and he could develop an offensive game away from the basket, I think his presence would actually hurt the style of some of the incoming players. These guys appear to thrive on getting to the basket and playing a more open, spread out style than we did most of last year. Having an offense that brings the ball down and forces it in to Wahab does not seem compatible with that approach. I'd agree with you about Wahab if I knew for sure that Coach Ewing wasn't going to play Tim I. and/ or Mutumbo @ the 5 spot...
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Post by prhoya on Jun 15, 2021 7:44:13 GMT -5
Agree. The only part of the analysis that I do not agree with is that I believe the loss of Wahab will not be as big a factor as the author. Not happy that Wahab left, but unless his skillset took a significant leap and he could develop an offensive game away from the basket, I think his presence would actually hurt the style of some of the incoming players. These guys appear to thrive on getting to the basket and playing a more open, spread out style than we did most of last year. Having an offense that brings the ball down and forces it in to Wahab does not seem compatible with that approach. I'd agree with you about Wahab if I knew for sure TV at Coach Ewing wasn't going to play Tim I. and/ or Mutumbo @ the 5 spot... Exactly. I think King takes the most minutes at the 5, but Tim and Mutombo/Wilson are going to have to play it. The most King has played in a season is 28 mpg. Tim hasn’t averaged more than 9 mpg in both seasons and Mutombo/Wilson are question marks. What I want to see from Tim/Ryan/Malcolm is not stalling the offense by forcing a dribble and shot. If it’s there, take it; if not, pass it out. But, every season under Pat has seen the same thing: forced shots and no assists by our center. That said, from his highlights, Ryan looks like he knows how to pass out, but that was against bad competition. Of course, this might change if the roster is not set.
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Post by hoyaguy on Jun 15, 2021 7:48:44 GMT -5
The biggest factor in my mind between the two analyses is how the author views the team, the one that had us in fourth sees our losses as a plus and chance to shift our style to a modern one with King as the five which is something I think we should do far more often than last year, I think the other thinks we might just keep going with the same style (Or this line of thought simply never occurred to him, we could end up tenth but it was a superficial write imo) as before with a most likely inferior center in Tim. Ideally Tim can take a bit of a jump to fill in those minutes but either way the majority of our time I would prefer this new opportunity and play very fast and finally try to actually match our opponents some of whom haven’t used a center like Wahab in ages
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Post by seaweed on Jun 15, 2021 7:54:45 GMT -5
Agree. The only part of the analysis that I do not agree with is that I believe the loss of Wahab will not be as big a factor as the author. Not happy that Wahab left, but unless his skillset took a significant leap and he could develop an offensive game away from the basket, I think his presence would actually hurt the style of some of the incoming players. These guys appear to thrive on getting to the basket and playing a more open, spread out style than we did most of last year. Having an offense that brings the ball down and forces it in to Wahab does not seem compatible with that approach. I'd agree with you about Wahab if I knew for sure TV at Coach Ewing wasn't going to play Tim I. and/ or Mutumbo @ the 5 spot... He can play them at "the 5" without them clogging the paint a la Wahab. Maybe not so much Tim based on what we know, though I think he was more mobile than Wahab, but certainly Ryan has stretch potential. My biggest issue with it though is he takes us to task for all the lost PT but doesn't seem to ding other teams for more severe losses or holes in their rosters. Provy and MU (which finished behind us) don't have PGs, and we have a BET MOP returning in that role, not enough to move the needle. Creighton lost its entire roster - no problem, some DII transfer will solve that. He discounts everything we've got and hypes everything other schools have, which just seems disingenuous. SJU is another one - they return a rising soph PG who had a break out year and one side piece - Adae-Wussu - (with Champagne still being a question mark), but their roster improves despite all the attrition while our rising soph breakout PG and one returning side piece in Carey (who I take over Adae-Wussu every day - is depleted while theirs is good for 3rd in the league? I am just not buying the analysis that says Joel Suriano and Stef Smith are a huge upgrade compared to Aminu, King, Mutombbo et al. He doesn't even recognize that Beard, with a PG year under his belt and NY POY Riley are major additions. Weak sauce.
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