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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Jun 3, 2021 15:38:27 GMT -5
There's a certain arrogance of sorts to assume that kids need to play in certain places to be successful, however. Why wouldn't everyone want to play in New York, perhaps, or Washington, certainly? Well, they don't, and the local team records confirm this. Maryland has been to the NCAA Sweet 16 once since 2003, Georgetown just twice. GW has one NCAA appearance since 2007, George Mason one since 2008, American has one since 2009. Howard University, the mecca of HBCU's, hasn't been to the NCAA's since 1992. DC is not a consistent destination for top talent. But in the end, if you're good, you'll get noticed wherever you go. McDermott sells this as well anyone. I think this is right. While no doubt there are certain locales that have strong benefits for student-athletes, I think it's probably exaggerated to a large degree. Sure, there may be some recruits that are drawn to the sunshine of southern California, or to bigger cities, but ultimately, I think the coach and fit are probably way more important than these factors. While DC is a great town, I loved going to school there, and I think it has a lot of benefits, I also don't think it is more of a pull for student-athletes than most other places (though I could see why it would appeal to international guys, but we don't seem to particularly excel with those recruits). Ultimately, most kids are picking their school for the program, its success, and what they feel the program can do for them personally. This is why schools based in places like Lawrence, Kansas or Lexington, Kentucky do not have problems recruiting, even if they are not located in bigger metropolitan areas. Kids want to go where they can advance themselves, and if you provide that as a program, the location of the program really does not matter much. I think the big thing with Lawrence, Lexington, Louisville, Creighton, Duke, UNC, etc. is they have a legit game day hype. That is the last and only thing that I think we are missing. Unfortunately it is the thing we can do the least about. MCI Center/Cap One/ Verizon can be hype if the team is good and stars align. Unfortunately it is just a sterile NBA arena though. Dropping the lights, pushing ticket holders down from the 400's and even 200's will help, but on-court success is the key to getting the place going. THose other areas don't have a damn thing going on so that is like their NBA franchise. We have tons of competition for eyeballs so we gotta win and win this year.
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Post by hoyaguy on Jun 3, 2021 15:47:00 GMT -5
I am still optimistic about our trajectory going into next year but with each day I’m thinking we need a lot to go right (Dante better at 3’s, Tim taking a jump, new transfers and freshmen to work, etc) to just make the top half of the BE and at best still being nervous come selection day for the chance to get in
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Post by ewingitrust on Jun 3, 2021 16:26:46 GMT -5
Sounds about right. BE returning top talent while getting young talent...it wouldn't surprise me metrics wise that the conference is the overall best next season.
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Post by jwp91 on Jun 3, 2021 16:31:34 GMT -5
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Post by EtomicB on Jun 3, 2021 16:39:29 GMT -5
Creighton didn't have any defections of note unless you're counting Zegarowski leaving but it was pretty much expected he’d leave after the season. Ballock, Jefferson & Mahoney were all seniors... Key for McDermott is he runs a very player friendly system that allows for a lot of freedom... Etomic, the kid that transferred to Texas was kind of a big deal. I thought Bishop gave us problems when he was healthy and out of foul trouble. Very good call on that, I completely forgot about Bishop. I agree, he was a good player for Creighton...
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Post by EtomicB on Jun 3, 2021 17:03:51 GMT -5
Creighton didn't have any defections of note unless you're counting Zegarowski leaving but it was pretty much expected he’d leave after the season. Ballock, Jefferson & Mahoney were all seniors... Key for McDermott is he runs a very player friendly system that allows for a lot of freedom... Zegarowski leaving early, none of Ballock, Jefferson, and Mahoney using their bonus year (don’t think any but maybe Jefferson have NBA / G League hopes), their 5 star recruit backing out and going to Kentucky, and Bishop transferring. So 6 guys who all could have conceivably returned. But your other point is fair. The system helps to attract top guys. That being said, the program has had their name attached to some of the recent recruiting scandals, and old habits die hard.
Getting kids to go play in Omaha seems like a tall task, but I guess in today’s game it’s all about system and showing a track record of getting guys to the next level. I definitely missed Bishop but I wouldn't call any of the seniors or Zegarowski defections... Weren't they connected due to a former assistant taking money from an agent? I don't believe they were ever accused of paying players...
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Post by prhoya on Jun 3, 2021 23:38:04 GMT -5
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Post by bostonfan on Jun 4, 2021 7:03:59 GMT -5
That will make for some really interesting transfer situations. Probably too late to impact this season, but will have an effect for the following seasons.
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Post by EasyEd on Jun 4, 2021 8:39:34 GMT -5
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jun 4, 2021 9:18:21 GMT -5
Won’t this just create animosity between programs? I don’t see why this would be a priority.
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Post by seaweed on Jun 4, 2021 10:04:19 GMT -5
Won’t this just create animosity between programs? I don’t see why this would be a priority. Think they are just trying to conform to NCAA and other conference standard operating procedure. I agree that it seems low priority, but anything to help build animosity between our schools is OK with me:)
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jun 4, 2021 13:55:57 GMT -5
While I understand the basis for the Big East changes, I think all of these changes while perhaps beneficial for each individual player (giving them more freedom) are awful for the game at-large. The negative effects are already apparent, and will to be a drag on the game and programs, particularly those that have trouble retaining talent. It will also absolutely significantly hamper mid-majors' ability to compete, as their stars will simply be poached by bigger programs.
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Post by EasyEd on Jun 4, 2021 14:08:17 GMT -5
Now we can poach Nova's starting lineup.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2021 16:32:39 GMT -5
While I understand the basis for the Big East changes, I think all of these changes while perhaps beneficial for each individual player (giving them more freedom) are awful for the game at-large. The negative effects are already apparent, and will to be a drag on the game and programs, particularly those that have trouble retaining talent. It will also absolutely significantly hamper mid-majors' ability to compete, as their stars will simply be poached by bigger programs. I agree and I don't like it one bit! They are trying to destroy college basketball!
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Post by professorhoya on Jun 4, 2021 16:50:44 GMT -5
That will make for some really interesting transfer situations. Probably too late to impact this season, but will have an effect for the following seasons. I think it makes sense. Instead of the talent bleeding out of the Big East, it can stay in the Big East. It gives the Big East a bigger talent pool to choose from.
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Post by SSHoya on Jun 7, 2021 5:35:43 GMT -5
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Post by dchoya72 on Jun 7, 2021 6:46:08 GMT -5
I like the policy change and think it will benefit the Hoyas in the long run. Free Agency!
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Post by dchoya72 on Jun 7, 2021 6:48:06 GMT -5
While I understand the basis for the Big East changes, I think all of these changes while perhaps beneficial for each individual player (giving them more freedom) are awful for the game at-large. The negative effects are already apparent, and will to be a drag on the game and programs, particularly those that have trouble retaining talent. It will also absolutely significantly hamper mid-majors' ability to compete, as their stars will simply be poached by bigger programs. I agree and I don't like it one bit! They are trying to destroy college basketball! How are "the negative effects already apparent..."?
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Post by Lethal_Interjection on Jun 7, 2021 13:35:58 GMT -5
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Post by hoyaguy on Jun 7, 2021 19:28:12 GMT -5
I don't regularly check draft projections esp when no Hoya is in it but I saw one that had Julian Champ in the second round so hoping that happens to give us a good shot to have a leg up in another team. Also a way to early prediction for the dance in 2022 from a sports site: big east will bounce back and have at least 6 teams in it, so let's be one of them
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