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Post by Elvado on Sept 2, 2021 18:30:44 GMT -5
I believe he was on the FSU team that ended Zo’s Hoya career in Round 2 in 1992. He was but didn't play that game. I just remember Irvin Church was horrid that game. So was Bob Sura for them. They were in full Bob Sura hype mode on CBS. Somehow Church got up 17 shots and Mourning 7 Boggles the mind…
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2021 18:43:43 GMT -5
Awwww now I see! You know I'm am going to be frank with you. Believe it or not, I barely even remember seeing Sam Cassell in playing ball in college. For some reason all I can remember, as far as hoops are concerned, is Georgetown basketball. I do remember hearing Sam Cassell's name during that time but I never watched FSU basketball. I hated the ACC, just like I do today and the only ACC schools that I payed any attention to were Maryland, NC State, North Carolina and Duke. I hated all of the teams in the ACC except for Maryland and NC State for some reason. So I can remember a few guys from those schools during that time but can't replay back, in my mind, Sam Cassell in an FSU uniform. I know it is strange being that college basketball is my favorite viewing sport. I think I am still like that today. I know all of the Georgetown players and transfers but ask me to name any other player from another school and I will be hard pressed. Crazy! If you don't hate Maryland, there was something wrong with your upbringing. LOL!
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Post by thedragon on Sept 3, 2021 9:57:10 GMT -5
Signed with Overtime Elite
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Post by kbones17 on Sept 3, 2021 10:01:31 GMT -5
It’s been a rough week on the recruiting front.
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Post by tashoya on Sept 3, 2021 11:04:12 GMT -5
So he did play both in college? It's been many years and so his basketball playing is a blur to me. I just remember him from playing football in college. But, I stand corrected. Good job! Yes. I'm in the opposite boat. I only remember him from basketball.
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Post by hoyaguy on Sept 3, 2021 11:05:39 GMT -5
It's ok I still got my positive attitude
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2021 11:18:37 GMT -5
So he did play both in college? It's been many years and so his basketball playing is a blur to me. I just remember him from playing football in college. But, I stand corrected. Good job! Yes. I'm in the opposite boat. I only remember him from basketball. Wow! His claim to fame was in football.
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Post by professorhoya on Sept 3, 2021 11:25:36 GMT -5
So who exactly does Overtime Elite play? The Washington Generals?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2021 11:26:40 GMT -5
It's ok I still got my positive attitude Chris Livingston and transfer market. If no Chris Livingston, transfer market for the final two scholarship players.
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Post by hibernatinghoyafan on Sept 3, 2021 11:37:48 GMT -5
Maybe this is better left for a different thread but who is advising these guys? A short-term 6 figure salary does not outweigh a college degree/education. For athletes that don't make the NBA or play in Europe long enough to generate a lifelong net worth, they will not be able to enter into the white collar fields later in life. Surprising for a kid with a 4.2 GPA to not realize that.
Working on Wall Street for a FO office, we talk to plenty of the athletes who make it and give us money to invest but that is such a small % of basketball players that the rest are way better off having a 4-year degree to fall back on in their life post-basketball.
I don't think OTE will make it long-term unless they enter into ISA's with their athletes as the won't be able to generate enough profit to offset the costs of running the league and paying these salaries.
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Post by SDHoya on Sept 3, 2021 12:00:34 GMT -5
Maybe this is better left for a different thread but who is advising these guys? A short-term 6 figure salary does not outweigh a college degree/education. For athletes that don't make the NBA or play in Europe long enough to generate a lifelong net worth, they will not be able to enter into the white collar fields later in life. Surprising for a kid with a 4.2 GPA to not realize that. Working on Wall Street for a FO office, we talk to plenty of the athletes who make it and give us money to invest but that is such a small % of basketball players that the rest are way better off having a 4-year degree to fall back on in their life post-basketball. I don't think OTE will make it long-term unless they enter into ISA's with their athletes as the won't be able to generate enough profit to offset the costs of running the league and paying these salaries. What about kids who aren't suited to 4 year college? Or kids with no interest in it? What is the value of 1 or two years of college ball if the kid intends to leave as soon as he can? If the only reason some kids are going to college is because its the only real stepping stone to getting paid to play ball, then chances are they aren't taking classes seriously enough to really get the value out of the education that is forced upon them. If college sports is really made up of "student athletes", isn't it better to have kids who want to be there because of the educational benefit? Furthermore, if a kid chooses OTE or G-Ignite or Australia etc. instead of college ball--and after a few years of 6-figure salaries realizes professional sports is not a long term solution, what's to stop that kid (by that time not such a kid) using some of the money he earned to go back to college to get a degree? Heck, if I had the option as an 18 year old to delay college a few years in order to make that kind of money straight out of high school, it would have been hard to pass up. I think we have got to stop criticizing these kids for taking the money. Its a logical and rational choice for many of them. At this point, the only thing that NCAA ball gives kids that OTE/G-League do not is a bigger platform, which now can be monetized by at least some of them through NIL deals. But if OTE and their ilk are successful, even that may change, and the only thing left going for NCAA will be the free education. Not everyone has to value a liberal arts education--but for those that do, NCAA sports can remain a viable option.
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Post by hoyazeke on Sept 3, 2021 12:02:02 GMT -5
Maybe this is better left for a different thread but who is advising these guys? A short-term 6 figure salary does not outweigh a college degree/education. For athletes that don't make the NBA or play in Europe long enough to generate a lifelong net worth, they will not be able to enter into the white collar fields later in life. Surprising for a kid with a 4.2 GPA to not realize that. Working on Wall Street for a FO office, we talk to plenty of the athletes who make it and give us money to invest but that is such a small % of basketball players that the rest are way better off having a 4-year degree to fall back on in their life post-basketball. I don't think OTE will make it long-term unless they enter into ISA's with their athletes as the won't be able to generate enough profit to offset the costs of running the league and paying these salaries. Spoken like a true none 4*/5* athlete. I've said it before, they all think that they are going PRO. Every kid with true HM offers thinks he's going pro. Tyler, Ryan, Jalin, Jordan, Aminu, Dante....all of them
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Post by hoyazeke on Sept 3, 2021 12:09:47 GMT -5
Maybe this is better left for a different thread but who is advising these guys? A short-term 6 figure salary does not outweigh a college degree/education. For athletes that don't make the NBA or play in Europe long enough to generate a lifelong net worth, they will not be able to enter into the white collar fields later in life. Surprising for a kid with a 4.2 GPA to not realize that. Working on Wall Street for a FO office, we talk to plenty of the athletes who make it and give us money to invest but that is such a small % of basketball players that the rest are way better off having a 4-year degree to fall back on in their life post-basketball. I don't think OTE will make it long-term unless they enter into ISA's with their athletes as the won't be able to generate enough profit to offset the costs of running the league and paying these salaries. What about kids who aren't suited to 4 year college? Or kids with no interest in it? What is the value of 1 or two years of college ball if the kid intends to leave as soon as he can? If the only reason some kids are going to college is because its the only real stepping stone to getting paid to play ball, then chances are they aren't taking classes seriously enough to really get the value out of the education that is forced upon them. If college sports is really made up of "student athletes", isn't it better to have kids who want to be there because of the educational benefit? Furthermore, if a kid chooses OTE or G-Ignite or Australia etc. instead of college ball--and after a few years of 6-figure salaries realizes professional sports is not a long term solution, what's to stop that kid (by that time not such a kid) using some of the money he earned to go back to college to get a degree? Heck, if I had the option as an 18 year old to delay college a few years in order to make that kind of money straight out of high school, it would have been hard to pass up. I think we have got to stop criticizing these kids for taking the money. Its a logical and rational choice for many of them. At this point, the only thing that NCAA ball gives kids that OTE/G-League do not is a bigger platform, which now can be monetized by at least some of them through NIL deals. But if OTE and their ilk are successful, even that may change, and the only thing left going for NCAA will be the free education. Not everyone has to value a liberal arts education--but for those that do, NCAA sports can remain a viable option. And it's better for development.
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Post by Elvado on Sept 3, 2021 12:20:38 GMT -5
SRD just got a committable offer…
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2021 12:29:32 GMT -5
Maybe this is better left for a different thread but who is advising these guys? A short-term 6 figure salary does not outweigh a college degree/education. For athletes that don't make the NBA or play in Europe long enough to generate a lifelong net worth, they will not be able to enter into the white collar fields later in life. Surprising for a kid with a 4.2 GPA to not realize that. Working on Wall Street for a FO office, we talk to plenty of the athletes who make it and give us money to invest but that is such a small % of basketball players that the rest are way better off having a 4-year degree to fall back on in their life post-basketball. I don't think OTE will make it long-term unless they enter into ISA's with their athletes as the won't be able to generate enough profit to offset the costs of running the league and paying these salaries. There are over a million kids bouncing a basketball but only a tiny handful make it into the NBA. It's sad, sad, sad. Adults need to put it in the proper perspective for these kids while they are growing up dreaming to play professional basketball so that they don't blow their chances at earning a degree because they are spending too much of their time chasing a dream.
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Post by professorhoya on Sept 3, 2021 12:41:44 GMT -5
Maybe this is better left for a different thread but who is advising these guys? A short-term 6 figure salary does not outweigh a college degree/education. For athletes that don't make the NBA or play in Europe long enough to generate a lifelong net worth, they will not be able to enter into the white collar fields later in life. Surprising for a kid with a 4.2 GPA to not realize that. Working on Wall Street for a FO office, we talk to plenty of the athletes who make it and give us money to invest but that is such a small % of basketball players that the rest are way better off having a 4-year degree to fall back on in their life post-basketball. I don't think OTE will make it long-term unless they enter into ISA's with their athletes as the won't be able to generate enough profit to offset the costs of running the league and paying these salaries. OTE Elite seems like Movie Pass or Mars One. Basically they have no real plan. A one team league. Who are they going to play? Who is going to watch a bunch of C level players (A level being NBA, B level G league). I have hardly enough time to watch NBA and college basketball and I'm sure most people are in the same boat. At least G League elite has a solid system in place.
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Post by SDHoya on Sept 3, 2021 12:44:38 GMT -5
Maybe this is better left for a different thread but who is advising these guys? A short-term 6 figure salary does not outweigh a college degree/education. For athletes that don't make the NBA or play in Europe long enough to generate a lifelong net worth, they will not be able to enter into the white collar fields later in life. Surprising for a kid with a 4.2 GPA to not realize that. Working on Wall Street for a FO office, we talk to plenty of the athletes who make it and give us money to invest but that is such a small % of basketball players that the rest are way better off having a 4-year degree to fall back on in their life post-basketball. I don't think OTE will make it long-term unless they enter into ISA's with their athletes as the won't be able to generate enough profit to offset the costs of running the league and paying these salaries. There are over a million kids bouncing a basketball but only a tiny handful make it into the NBA. It's sad, sad, sad. Adults need to put it in the proper perspective for these kids while they are growing up dreaming to play professional basketball so that they don't blow their chances at earning a degree because they are spending too much of their time chasing a dream. Can someone please explain to me why "chasing a dream" and getting a college degree are mutually exclusive? If Jaylen gets paid $400k over two years to play with OTE, and then finds out he's not getting any NBA sniffs or good Euro offers, what is stopping him from taking half of that money and using it to go back to school? You don't have to be 18 to be a college freshman.
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Post by hoyazeke on Sept 3, 2021 12:47:16 GMT -5
Maybe this is better left for a different thread but who is advising these guys? A short-term 6 figure salary does not outweigh a college degree/education. For athletes that don't make the NBA or play in Europe long enough to generate a lifelong net worth, they will not be able to enter into the white collar fields later in life. Surprising for a kid with a 4.2 GPA to not realize that. Working on Wall Street for a FO office, we talk to plenty of the athletes who make it and give us money to invest but that is such a small % of basketball players that the rest are way better off having a 4-year degree to fall back on in their life post-basketball. I don't think OTE will make it long-term unless they enter into ISA's with their athletes as the won't be able to generate enough profit to offset the costs of running the league and paying these salaries. OTE Elite seems like Movie Pass or Mars One. Basically they have no real plan. A one team league. Who are they going to play? Who is going to watch a bunch of C level players (A level being NBA, B level G league). I have hardly enough time to watch NBA and college basketball and I'm sure most people are in the same boat. At least G League elite has a solid system in place. Exactly professor. I only really watch college bball faithfully. NBA and any other random only get partial attention.
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Post by professorhoya on Sept 3, 2021 12:48:09 GMT -5
There are over a million kids bouncing a basketball but only a tiny handful make it into the NBA. It's sad, sad, sad. Adults need to put it in the proper perspective for these kids while they are growing up dreaming to play professional basketball so that they don't blow their chances at earning a degree because they are spending too much of their time chasing a dream. Can someone please explain to me why "chasing a dream" and getting a college degree are mutually exclusive? If Jaylen gets paid $400k over two years to play with OTE, and then finds out he's not getting any NBA sniffs or good Euro offers, what is stopping him from taking half of that money and using it to go back to school? You don't have to be 18 to be a college freshman. Actually this whole back and forth is all incorrect because OTE offers $100,000 in college money if a player chooses that basketball is not for them. This is on top of the money they already get for salary. *the caveat is that if OTE goes bankrupt like Movie Pass, which I think there is a high likelyhood that that happens then all these promises may go up in smoke.
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Post by professorhoya on Sept 3, 2021 12:52:24 GMT -5
The only way I can see OTE make it is if their true goal is for the kid to sign off on having OTE permanently represent them after OTE. And then take a cut of any NBA contracts. I think that's the hope with alot of these NIL agency reps/IMG's giving money to the college players.
But I'm not sure OTE could control the kid once they left OTE.
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