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Post by hoyazeke on Mar 22, 2021 19:46:56 GMT -5
Anyone else dying to see Colorado play tonight? Anyone else ready to jump out of their easy chairs if Colorado goes 6-25 from 3? 20 freaking pts at half. 0pts for Mr. Walker....is our D really that bad?
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Post by the_way on Mar 22, 2021 19:59:18 GMT -5
Leonard Hamilton is a proven winner and FSU is good.
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Post by This Just In on Mar 22, 2021 20:29:01 GMT -5
Leonard Hamilton is a proven winner and FSU is good. I think the Noles height has given Colorado issue tonight Last years Florida State team was better
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2021 20:33:31 GMT -5
Anybody notice how FSU used the big man to guard McKinley Wright on the perimeter? I've seen teams used this strategy a lot this year it seems to be very effective because of the big man's wing span and quick feet. Can Q do this? Can he check the point guard on the perimeter?
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Post by This Just In on Mar 22, 2021 20:35:13 GMT -5
Florida State was 0/9 from 3pt against NC Greensboro
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Post by This Just In on Mar 22, 2021 20:36:51 GMT -5
Anybody notice how FSU used the big man to guard McKinley Wright on the perimeter? I've seen teams used this strategy a lot this year it seems to be very effective because of the big man's wing span and quick feet. Can Q do this? Can he check the point guard on the perimeter? Wahab does not appear to be that agile and the further away he gets from the basket the more of a defensive liability he seems to become
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Post by Lethal_Interjection on Mar 22, 2021 20:36:54 GMT -5
He kept Q out there because Q is all he we had that day. Not some philosophical stubbornness. Colorado locked everybody out on the outside. Their D should have been the bigger story than Walker's career day. Ewing had his hands tied. Either get shut out completely going small or try to keep it with the only option we had in Q on offense. Either way, we were getting blown out. Colorado is a darn good team from now what we see is an elite Pac-12 conference this year. They beat us soundly for a reason. We are not in the dance this year without Q's play. A piece of the article stated otherwise in regards of the philosophical stubbornness.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2021 20:38:43 GMT -5
Anybody notice how FSU used the big man to guard McKinley Wright on the perimeter? I've seen teams used this strategy a lot this year it seems to be very effective because of the big man's wing span and quick feet. Can Q do this? Can he check the point guard on the perimeter? Wahab does not appear to be that agile and the further away he gets from the basket the more of a defensive liability he seems to become Do you think that strategy would be better than have Q hedging and leaving the perimeter exposed when guys have to come down to help him cut off the penetrating guards?
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Post by the_way on Mar 22, 2021 20:41:56 GMT -5
Leonard Hamilton is a proven winner and FSU is good. I think the Noles height has given Colorado issue tonight Last years Florida State team was better Full court pressure has done it. Colorado likes to get set and run their half court magic. Get them out of it, and they struggle. Even with the game out of reach in the 2nd half, our full court pressure against them gave Colorado some fits. Apply the full court press with FSU's talent, and you see the outcome tonight.
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Post by This Just In on Mar 22, 2021 20:41:59 GMT -5
Wahab does not appear to be that agile and the further away he gets from the basket the more of a defensive liability he seems to become Do you think that strategy would be better than have Q hedging and leaving the perimeter exposed when guys have to come down to help him cut off the penetrating guards? Wasn't this the defensive strategy against Colorado or was Wahab late in rotating/getting to the perimeter?
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Post by vv83 on Mar 22, 2021 20:44:59 GMT -5
It's pretty simple - FSU was switching everything on the ball screens, and their bigs could stay in front of the Colorado guards on the switch. This completely shut down the Pick and Roll offense that completely wrecked our defense on Saturday.
Colorado did not have any real plan B to go to. Lots of iso stuff, with guards trying to take their man off the dribble, which they could not do with any consistency. they have no real post up game to go to, which is one primary plan B - if your guards can't get past their bigs, then have your bigs post up their guards off the switch. The Colorado bigs could not post up effectively, and never really tried.
FSU shows you what a truly good defense looks like. We played some good D down the stretch this year. and we shut down a good small ball Creighton offense twice. But a lot of that was Creighton missing a lot of 3s - some contested, some open. Colorado could barely even get any looks from 3 at all vs. FSU.
As others have pointed out - basketball is quickly becoming a small ball game. Put five athletic 6'4-6'8 guys on the court. Switch everything, and you have a sound defensive plan. If all your guys can shoot and one or two can create off the dribble, you have your plan A on offense. If a couple of your guys can post up against similar sized/smaller players - you have your plan B on offense.
I think we are going to see more and more teams posting up their guards against teams that play small against them. Villanova has been doing this for years. other teams are starting to see that a guard with post up skills, against a similar sized player, with everyone else on offense spread out at the 3 point line - is a very effective offensive set as the response to defensed that can effectively switch every ball screen. If nobody digs down to help on the post man - it is pretty easy to score with all that space to work around the hoop. If someone does dig down to help - kick it out to a wide open 3 point shooter.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2021 20:46:59 GMT -5
FSU can switch 1-5
It comes down to matchups and personnel especially when you have 1 day to prepare. This stuff isn't complicated.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2021 20:48:39 GMT -5
Do you think that strategy would be better than have Q hedging and leaving the perimeter exposed when guys have to come down to help him cut off the penetrating guards? Wasn't this the defensive strategy against Colorado or was Wahab late in rotating/getting to the perimeter? From what I could remember, McKinley-Wright was constantly getting beyond inside the key with his penetrating and then Q would try to hedge. Sometimes he was too late and it would collapse our defense and then McKinley-Wright would dish out to their guys waiting on the wings for the open three. I don't even recall Q even getting to the three point line although I am sure he tried. But to me, the problem was the penetrating guard was collapsing our defense and leaving the perimeter wide open for shots.
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Post by This Just In on Mar 22, 2021 20:49:46 GMT -5
Florida State is making it look easy now on the alley oop
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Post by the_way on Mar 22, 2021 20:51:49 GMT -5
Q was the least of our problems against Colorado.
Look at all of the guys that can handle the rock for FSU and disrupt Colorado's defense.
We have 1 guy that can do that in Dante and he struggles to finish at the rim.
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Post by This Just In on Mar 22, 2021 20:53:28 GMT -5
Wasn't this the defensive strategy against Colorado or was Wahab late in rotating/getting to the perimeter? From what I could remember, McKinley-Wright was constantly getting beyond inside the key with his penetrating and then Q would try to hedge. Sometimes he was too late and it would collapse our defense and then McKinley-Wright would dish out to their guys waiting on the wings for the open three. I don't even recall Q even getting to the three point line although I am sure he tried. But to me, the problem was the penetrating guard was collapsing our defense and leaving the perimeter wide open for shots. As others have mentioned Wahab can't guard like this Tim is better but was a liability on the offensive end We gotta get some athletic bigs, the last good big we had was Henry Sims Seminoles defense is smothering Colorado...they are out of sync
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2021 20:53:34 GMT -5
I just think the Hoyas and coaching staff could learn from having the center guard the guard out at the perimeter because it would cut down his driving lanes and probably his passing lanes. It's like having your center hedge way ahead of time before the guard gets downfield.
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Post by This Just In on Mar 22, 2021 20:54:41 GMT -5
Q was the least of our problems against Colorado. Look at all of the guys that can handle the rock for FSU and disrupt Colorado's defense. We have 1 guy that can do that in Dante and he struggles to finish at the rim. I say Blair can handle the rock too, but he was off.
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Post by drquigley on Mar 22, 2021 20:55:48 GMT -5
I am hoping Motumbo is the kind of agile big man we are missing. Highlight videos made him look a lot more like an FSU big man than our traditional bigs. Add a versatile forward in Aminu, an effective Sibley/Hollaway/Bile tandem, and Beard/Carey/Harris at guard and next year will be fun.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2021 20:55:55 GMT -5
From what I could remember, McKinley-Wright was constantly getting beyond inside the key with his penetrating and then Q would try to hedge. Sometimes he was too late and it would collapse our defense and then McKinley-Wright would dish out to their guys waiting on the wings for the open three. I don't even recall Q even getting to the three point line although I am sure he tried. But to me, the problem was the penetrating guard was collapsing our defense and leaving the perimeter wide open for shots. As others have mentioned Wahab can't guard like this Tim is better but was a liability on the offensive end We gotta get some athletic bigs, the last good big we had was Henry Sims Seminoles defense is smothering Colorado...they are out of sync The problem with "we gotta get some athletic bigs" is we are really out of scholarships and we have all the big men that we going to need for the next two years at least.
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