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Post by prhoya on May 10, 2021 14:06:35 GMT -5
Lost 1-0.
Sloppy passing throughout the game...
Great, strange season overall...
Come back stronger next season.
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whatmaroon
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Post by whatmaroon on May 10, 2021 14:09:54 GMT -5
I thought we had pretty good possession throughout, but struggled to break down the Herd defense in the final third and never had that moment of individual brilliance. Marshall only had the one shot in the second half, I believe, but it was enough.
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Post by Nevada Hoya on May 10, 2021 14:30:49 GMT -5
Aaarrrgghhh! Final Marshall 1 Hoyas 0.
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Post by DanMcQ on May 10, 2021 14:41:14 GMT -5
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Post by Elvado on May 10, 2021 14:59:38 GMT -5
Just heartbroken for the boys.
Full credit to Marshall for a disciplined approach and one brilliant bit of creativity by Diaz.
I thought they pushed the envelope on physicality and largely got away with it but we were not sharp in the attacking third.
A couple of loose touches just before danger.
One good last chance but it was not to be.
Once again, this program is the gold standard at GU.
Thanks Coaches and boys for doing us so proud.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on May 10, 2021 15:16:40 GMT -5
Hard to get to the College Cup after losing your best three players to the pros late in the season, but we almost did it. I thought I heard the announcers say that Marshall only starts one US born player.
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Post by FHillsNYHoya on May 10, 2021 16:11:02 GMT -5
Stood up from my chair as that service from the left made its way to the far post right at the 6. Just wasn't meant to be.
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Post by RusskyHoya on May 10, 2021 19:40:36 GMT -5
Hopefully our depth will give us the edge in second half. Marshall had not substituted as best I could see/hear. You're right. Nearly 70mins into this match and not a single substitution for Marshall. My biggest What-If for this game will always be: "What if we had tried to run these boys ragged, given the fact that many of them played a full 110 minutes just days earlier, our relative depth, and the mid-day heat?" The first half just felt like a pre-season scrimmage in a lot of ways. Dean and Dan on the call were even commenting on the relative lethargy of the first-half proceedings. It stings, but at the same time, we were playing with house money once Rio and Dodson decamped for Orlando. I mostly just wanted these fellas to get a ring to commemorate this weirdest of seasons, and a College Cup berth would've done the trick. The hunger should definitely be there for another run this fall - hopefully the talent is there as well.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on May 11, 2021 4:12:03 GMT -5
If 10 of 11 Marshall starters are foreign born players, what are your thoughts? Great strategy for a school looking to compete at a high level in an international sport or making a mockery of US college athletics?
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Post by Elvado on May 11, 2021 4:19:31 GMT -5
If 10 of 11 Marshall starters are foreign born players, what are your thoughts? Great strategy for a school looking to compete at a high level in an international sport or making a mockery of US college athletics? Both?
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Post by aleutianhoya on May 11, 2021 6:05:29 GMT -5
If 10 of 11 Marshall starters are foreign born players, what are your thoughts? Great strategy for a school looking to compete at a high level in an international sport or making a mockery of US college athletics? Both? Agreed. I don't know how many people watched the game. But there ought to have been a straight red card given to Marshall early in the 2H for a very dangerous intentional tackle from behind. The announcers (including GU's Helfrich) thought the yellow was correct. But I thought it was almost indisputably wrong. They didn't have the benefit of replay. I did. Huge play obviously.
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Post by Elvado on May 11, 2021 6:32:44 GMT -5
Agreed. I don't know how many people watched the game. But there ought to have been a straight red card given to Marshall early in the 2H for a very dangerous intentional tackle from behind. The announcers (including GU's Helfrich) thought the yellow was correct. But I thought it was almost indisputably wrong. They didn't have the benefit of replay. I did. Huge play obviously. Could not agree more. It was not only dangerous and dirty it was close to last man.
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Post by whatmaroon on May 11, 2021 9:12:29 GMT -5
If 10 of 11 Marshall starters are foreign born players, what are your thoughts? Great strategy for a school looking to compete at a high level in an international sport or making a mockery of US college athletics? Both? What bothers me is not internationals, but that many internationals are older players. I mean, Seton Hall's All-Big East defender Luca Dahn turns 26 in July. It's not any surprise he's a really good college player, facing 18- to 22-year-olds. Dahn's a pretty extreme example, but it does seem common for internationals to be a couple years older than their US counterparts, and that matters. College hockey has some similar issues, so it's not unique to soccer.
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Post by Nevada Hoya on May 11, 2021 12:01:01 GMT -5
What bothers me is not internationals, but that many internationals are older players. I mean, Seton Hall's All-Big East defender Luca Dahn turns 26 in July. It's not any surprise he's a really good college player, facing 18- to 22-year-olds. Dahn's a pretty extreme example, but it does seem common for internationals to be a couple years older than their US counterparts, and that matters. College hockey has some similar issues, so it's not unique to soccer. Yes, track and field too!
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Post by Elvado on May 13, 2021 18:01:45 GMT -5
Nikopolidos and Polvara named first team All-American and Hope-Gind second team.
Another testament to the quality of the program Coach Wiese has built and continues to shepherd.
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Post by hoyaduck on May 13, 2021 18:24:46 GMT -5
Nice to know the new season is right around the corner.
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Post by RusskyHoya on May 13, 2021 22:52:47 GMT -5
If 10 of 11 Marshall starters are foreign born players, what are your thoughts? Great strategy for a school looking to compete at a high level in an international sport or making a mockery of US college athletics? Both? You know, maybe it's just because because I am an immigrant myself, but I feel like I should point out that a fanbase supporting a University whose most famous player and now head coach of its flagship program is himself foreign born...might want to tread carefully when implying that the participation - or, past some theoretical limit, 'overparticipation' - of foreign-born student athletes constitutes a "mockery of US college athletics." What bothers me is not internationals, but that many internationals are older players. I mean, Seton Hall's All-Big East defender Luca Dahn turns 26 in July. It's not any surprise he's a really good college player, facing 18- to 22-year-olds. Dahn's a pretty extreme example, but it does seem common for internationals to be a couple years older than their US counterparts, and that matters. College hockey has some similar issues, so it's not unique to soccer. Yes, track and field too! Yes, indeed, track and field too. Maybe someone should tell Alton McKenzie that he took away a spot at Georgetown from a deserving U.S. native (I know that's *not* what you're saying, Nevada. I'd just like to remind others that Ewing is not the only foreign-born Hoya alum and head coach). I just question the notion that this is really a problem. There's like literally hundreds of professional leagues around the globe in which you can make money playing soccer - how many high-quality players are going to instead choose to play for a U.S. college, where most players don't even get full scholarships? Much less do so as an adult, Chris Weinke-style? Track and field is obviously not so lucrative globally, but again, what is the inherent problem that, for example, the women's cross country champion is one Mercy Chelangat, originally of Kericho, Kenya (for the record, her birthdate is July 11, 1997, making her 23 years old)? We've got a lot of PhD programs full of foreign-born prodigies too, many of whom stay in the U.S. and contribute to our society in myriad ways. They might even have won some science competitions along the way or whatever, especially if they came to the states at a younger age. Not sure why any of this is a bad thing.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on May 14, 2021 4:51:25 GMT -5
You know, maybe it's just because because I am an immigrant myself, but I feel like I should point out that a fanbase supporting a University whose most famous player and now head coach of its flagship program is himself foreign born...might want to tread carefully when implying that the participation - or, past some theoretical limit, 'overparticipation' - of foreign-born student athletes constitutes a "mockery of US college athletics." Yes, track and field too! Yes, indeed, track and field too. Maybe someone should tell Alton McKenzie that he took away a spot at Georgetown from a deserving U.S. native (I know that's *not* what you're saying, Nevada. I'd just like to remind others that Ewing is not the only foreign-born Hoya alum and head coach). I just question the notion that this is really a problem. There's like literally hundreds of professional leagues around the globe in which you can make money playing soccer - how many high-quality players are going to instead choose to play for a U.S. college, where most players don't even get full scholarships? Much less do so as an adult, Chris Weinke-style? Track and field is obviously not so lucrative globally, but again, what is the inherent problem that, for example, the women's cross country champion is one Mercy Chelangat, originally of Kericho, Kenya (for the record, her birthdate is July 11, 1997, making her 23 years old)? We've got a lot of PhD programs full of foreign-born prodigies too, many of whom stay in the U.S. and contribute to our society in myriad ways. They might even have won some science competitions along the way or whatever, especially if they came to the states at a younger age. Not sure why any of this is a bad thing. I was just pointing the fact out and hoping to get others opinions. I could have easily been born outside the US and lived abroad my first seven years. The announcers of the game harped on the statistic, otherwise I wouldn’t have been the wiser. I went to a Manhattanville hockey game a number of years back and noticed that many of its starters were Russian. The coach recruited non-US players as a strategy to be competitive.
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Post by Elvado on May 14, 2021 5:49:24 GMT -5
It is not the nationality of players that presents the issue from my perspective.
The troubling aspect is 24,25 and 26 year old men playing against 18-22 year olds.
Perhaps the cut off needs to be 23 like it is for the Olympics.
Just a thought.
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Post by RusskyHoya on May 14, 2021 9:22:14 GMT -5
It is not the nationality of players that presents the issue from my perspective. The troubling aspect is 24,25 and 26 year old men playing against 18-22 year olds. Perhaps the cut off needs to be 23 like it is for the Olympics. Just a thought. That would probably be very legally fraught, but regardless, I think we're sorely lacking in the data to know whether this is a realm problem or a solution in search of a problem. This is also a "looks can be deceiving" area. You look at Gianni's Instagram, he looks like a grown-ass man. His birthdate is pretty easy to find thanks to his time at Olympiakos - he just turned 20 (DoB Dec 8, 2000). Meanwhile, Muyl still looks 14
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