EtomicB
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Post by EtomicB on Oct 4, 2021 8:52:49 GMT -5
For everyone hoping Pat will move away from a traditional back to the basket center and play some small ball this year, I’ll give you this quote from Steve Kerr “When people talk about small-ball,” Kerr said, “what it really refers to, in my mind, is the four-man, not the five man.” To me small ball is playing 3 or 4 guards at the same time, think Nova.. I want King to play the 5 so the lane will open up for drives which could help with ball movement & getting opponents in foul trouble.
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Post by seaweed on Oct 4, 2021 10:50:00 GMT -5
For everyone hoping Pat will move away from a traditional back to the basket center and play some small ball this year, I’ll give you this quote from Steve Kerr “When people talk about small-ball,” Kerr said, “what it really refers to, in my mind, is the four-man, not the five man.” To me small ball is playing 3 or 4 guards at the same time, think Nova.. I want King to play the 5 so the lane will open up for drives which could help with ball movement & getting opponents in foul trouble. I don't know about "guards," but certainly guys with outside shooting skills and the ability to get in the lane. If that is an Otto like small forward, so be it, still "small" ball despite his height. But what Kerr's point seems to be is that it only applies to 4 positions and the guy in the middle can still be a back to the basket type space eater. Given Pat's preference for bigs who lay heavy picks when pulled out but who still look for postups and interior opportunities, the message is that this can still be "small ball" in Kerr's mind.
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Post by EtomicB on Oct 4, 2021 11:39:05 GMT -5
To me small ball is playing 3 or 4 guards at the same time, think Nova.. I want King to play the 5 so the lane will open up for drives which could help with ball movement & getting opponents in foul trouble. I don't know about "guards," but certainly guys with outside shooting skills and the ability to get in the lane. If that is an Otto like small forward, so be it, still "small" ball despite his height. But what Kerr's point seems to be is that it only applies to 4 positions and the guy in the middle can still be a back to the basket type space eater. Given Pat's preference for bigs who lay heavy picks when pulled out but who still look for postups and interior opportunities, the message is that this can still be "small ball" in Kerr's mind. Seems strange to me, If their starting 5 is Curry, Thompson, Wiggins, Porter & Green wouldn't that be " small ball"? Who's the post up big in that line-up? Plus he runs a very heavy screened motion offense which is not similar to what PE runs @ Gtown in my view...
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Post by professorhoya on Oct 4, 2021 11:43:32 GMT -5
To me small ball is playing 3 or 4 guards at the same time, think Nova.. I want King to play the 5 so the lane will open up for drives which could help with ball movement & getting opponents in foul trouble. I don't know about "guards," but certainly guys with outside shooting skills and the ability to get in the lane. If that is an Otto like small forward, so be it, still "small" ball despite his height. But what Kerr's point seems to be is that it only applies to 4 positions and the guy in the middle can still be a back to the basket type space eater. Given Pat's preference for bigs who lay heavy picks when pulled out but who still look for postups and interior opportunities, the message is that this can still be "small ball" in Kerr's mind. I think he's wrong. When they have Draymond at center they are playing small ball. When Jevale McGee was at center for them they were not small ball. Maybe Wiseman can play "small" while being 7 feet. Not sure, have not seen him play at the pro or college level.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2021 7:06:29 GMT -5
If King weren't around due to an injury or something else...
Everybody would move up, small to big. So: - more 4 guard (prob Riley/Rice get a few more mins) - more Clark/Collin/Jalin playing 4
But the center spot is the biggest problem. Now you'd need to find 40 minutes between Tim, Ryan, Malcolm, and...?
And there's no more small(er) option, except for maybe Jalin?
Expecting 25-30 solid minutes per night from our 3 centers (not King) was already a scary proposition. Now we'd need 35-40 without a safety net.
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Post by professorhoya on Oct 8, 2021 7:14:41 GMT -5
If King weren't around due to an injury or something else... Everybody would move up, small to big. So: - more 4 guard (prob Riley/Rice get a few more mins) - more Clark/Collin/Jalin playing 4 But the center spot is the biggest problem. Now you'd need to find 40 minutes between Tim, Ryan, Malcolm, and...? There's no more small(er) option, except for maybe Jalin? Expecting 25-30 solid minutes per night from our 3 centers (not King) was already a scary proposition. Now we'd need 35-40 without a safety net. If King's out, we are in trouble.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2021 7:58:20 GMT -5
If King weren't around due to an injury or something else... Everybody would move up, small to big. So: - more 4 guard (prob Riley/Rice get a few more mins) - more Clark/Collin/Jalin playing 4 But the center spot is the biggest problem. Now you'd need to find 40 minutes between Tim, Ryan, Malcolm, and...? There's no more small(er) option, except for maybe Jalin? Expecting 25-30 solid minutes per night from our 3 centers (not King) was already a scary proposition. Now we'd need 35-40 without a safety net. If King's out, we are in trouble. If King is out, I think Patrick should move on. Sometimes things ain't meant to be (in this case returning his alma might to a level of excellence) and with all of the turnover and so much bad fortune over the last four years, the writing might just be on the wall. I know that if I were Patrick, I wouldn't be able to take too much more of this.
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Post by KenteKrazies on Oct 8, 2021 8:00:20 GMT -5
If King's out, we are in trouble. If King is out, I think Patrick should move on. Sometimes things ain't meant to be (in this case returning his alma might to a level of excellence) and with all of the turnover and so much bad fortune over the last four years, the writing might just be on the wall. I know that if I were Patrick, I wouldn't be able to take too much more of this. Dude, we just won the Bug East Tournament and are bringing in a loaded freshman class. What planet are you living on?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2021 8:26:26 GMT -5
If King is out, I think Patrick should move on. Sometimes things ain't meant to be (in this case returning his alma might to a level of excellence) and with all of the turnover and so much bad fortune over the last four years, the writing might just be on the wall. I know that if I were Patrick, I wouldn't be able to take too much more of this. Dude, we just won the Bug East Tournament and are bringing in a loaded freshman class. What planet are you living on? Earth.
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Post by guru on Oct 8, 2021 8:38:19 GMT -5
If King is out, I think Patrick should move on. Sometimes things ain't meant to be (in this case returning his alma might to a level of excellence) and with all of the turnover and so much bad fortune over the last four years, the writing might just be on the wall. I know that if I were Patrick, I wouldn't be able to take too much more of this. Dude, we just won the Bug East Tournament and are bringing in a loaded freshman class. What planet are you living on? Say what you will about the general modus operandi of college basketball, the *constant* turnover and disruption to the Hoyas roster since the moment Patrick took over has gotten pretty exhausting, and it makes it harder and harder to put much of an emotional investment in this team. Sigh.
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Post by hoyazeke on Oct 8, 2021 8:43:24 GMT -5
Pat can't move on if he ever wants a head coaching position again. Pro or college. To this point Ewing has done nothing to garner interest from any organization or college. If King is indeed out Ewing has to pray that his guards can lead the team to a tourney bid. Ewing's only route to a NBA head coaching gig is success at GTown...
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Post by daveg023 on Oct 8, 2021 8:44:57 GMT -5
If King weren't around due to an injury or something else... Everybody would move up, small to big. So: - more 4 guard (prob Riley/Rice get a few more mins) - more Clark/Collin/Jalin playing 4 But the center spot is the biggest problem. Now you'd need to find 40 minutes between Tim, Ryan, Malcolm, and...? There's no more small(er) option, except for maybe Jalin? Expecting 25-30 solid minutes per night from our 3 centers (not King) was already a scary proposition. Now we'd need 35-40 without a safety net. If King's out, we are in trouble. ^^^ This King was probably the 2nd most impactful roster addition this year.
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Post by hoopsmccan on Oct 8, 2021 8:49:10 GMT -5
Dude, we just won the Bug East Tournament and are bringing in a loaded freshman class. What planet are you living on? Say what you will about the general modus operandi of college basketball, the *constant* turnover and disruption to the Hoyas roster since the moment Patrick took over has gotten pretty exhausting, and it makes it harder and harder to put much of an emotional investment in this team. Sigh. You were emotionally invested in Tre King? hm
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2021 8:56:48 GMT -5
Dude, we just won the Bug East Tournament and are bringing in a loaded freshman class. What planet are you living on? Say what you will about the general modus operandi of college basketball, the *constant* turnover and disruption to the Hoyas roster since the moment Patrick took over has gotten pretty exhausting, and it makes it harder and harder to put much of an emotional investment in this team. Sigh. I agree with you 100%. Everyone here knows how I feel about Patrick Ewing. He is my guy but I feel for him and all that he has gone through trying to resurrect the program. It's been very painful for him and I swear I don't wish anymore pain that this job is causing him to have; it ain't worth it to him to experience another turnover even if it is just one guy. Now, if King is good and he can play or even if he is going to be out for a month, we can deal with that. But, if King has any other issues, not related to an injury, God only knows if I would be able to handle all of that if I were Patrick especially given all that has happened over the last four years. Maybe Patrick can take it but I know I couldn't.
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Post by guru on Oct 8, 2021 8:59:18 GMT -5
Say what you will about the general modus operandi of college basketball, the *constant* turnover and disruption to the Hoyas roster since the moment Patrick took over has gotten pretty exhausting, and it makes it harder and harder to put much of an emotional investment in this team. Sigh. You were emotionally invested in Tre King? hm Pretty obtuse reaction, don’t you think? Or do you actually not understand the overall point?
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Post by guru on Oct 8, 2021 9:00:17 GMT -5
Say what you will about the general modus operandi of college basketball, the *constant* turnover and disruption to the Hoyas roster since the moment Patrick took over has gotten pretty exhausting, and it makes it harder and harder to put much of an emotional investment in this team. Sigh. I agree with you 100%. Everyone here knows how I feel about Patrick Ewing. He is my guy but I feel for him and all that he has gone through trying to resurrect the program. It's been very painful for him and I swear I don't wish anymore pain that this job is causing him to have; it ain't worth it to him to experience another turnover even if it is just one guy. Now, if King is good and he can play or even if he is going to be out for a month, we can deal with that. But, if King has any other issues, not related to an injury, God only knows if I would be able to handle all of that if I were Patrick especially given all that has happened over the last four years. Maybe Patrick can take it but I know I couldn't. I’m not sure I’m with you here. How painful has this job really been for Patrick? I get the sense that he enjoys it.
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Post by daveg023 on Oct 8, 2021 9:01:36 GMT -5
Say what you will about the general modus operandi of college basketball, the *constant* turnover and disruption to the Hoyas roster since the moment Patrick took over has gotten pretty exhausting, and it makes it harder and harder to put much of an emotional investment in this team. Sigh. You were emotionally invested in Tre King? hm I think the fact is that King is (was?) the only frontcourt upperclassman with demonstrated talent / experience on the roster. We lost Wahab, Pickett, and Bile from a team that was the 8th best in the a league which is expected to be better this year than it was last year. So I agree with the sentiment that it’s a very tough pill to swallow that we are possibly losing this important of a player before he even played a game for us. Like I get it if there are extenuating circumstances at play, but the repeated departures are problematic. Yes it’s the current culture of today’s game, but on the flipside we aren’t bringing in the requesite talent to plug the holes like schools such as Miami, Florida, or even St. John’s, Seton Hall, Creighton, etc. all have after departures. King was supposed to be our answer to plug the holes and now he’s not going to even play 1 game? That’s a problem. No program can overcome the constant talent outflow especially when it’s happening during a season, as there’s no trade or free agents coming in to help save the year. Success at this level is dependent on building talented rosters and managing the flow of talent coming in and out every year. Even the staunchest of Ewing supporters can’t say he’s done a good job on this front.
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Post by hoya73 on Oct 8, 2021 9:11:48 GMT -5
You were emotionally invested in Tre King? hm I think the fact is that King is (was?) the only frontcourt upperclassman with demonstrated talent / experience on the roster. We lost Wahab, Pickett, and Bile from a team that was the 8th best in the a league which is expected to be better this year than it was last year. So I agree with the sentiment that it’s a very tough pill to swallow that we are possibly losing this important of a player before he even played a game for us. Like I get it if there are extenuating circumstances at play, but the repeated departures are problematic. Yes it’s the current culture of today’s game, but on the flipside we aren’t bringing in the requesite talent to plug the holes like schools such as Miami, Florida, or even St. John’s, Seton Hall, Creighton, etc. all have after departures. King was supposed to be our answer to plug the holes and now he’s not going to even play 1 game? That’s a problem. No program can overcome the constant talent outflow especially when it’s happening during a season, as there’s no trade or free agents coming in to help save the year. Success at this level is dependent on building talented rosters and managing the flow of talent coming in and out every year. Even the staunchest of Ewing supporters can’t say he’s done a good job on this front. Wait, wait. He's not gong to play one game this year? Was there an announcement I and the whole board missed, except for some secret insiders?
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Post by hoya73 on Oct 8, 2021 9:14:03 GMT -5
Or is this up there with the Beard will never play at GU rumor as worst rumor over the last few years. I remember some posters were pretty sure that the reclassification was a decommitment in disguise.
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Post by daveg023 on Oct 8, 2021 9:29:49 GMT -5
Or is this up there with the Beard will never play at GU rumor as worst rumor over the last few years. I remember some posters were pretty sure that the reclassification was a decommitment in disguise. I’m just going off what people are saying / seeing. Him being the only player not tagged in a team post certainly isn’t a great sign. I guess until we see the roster we won’t know for sure. And I guess there’s always a chance he’s ineligible first semester but can play second semester.
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