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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 14, 2023 9:33:40 GMT -5
Well might be true, if you were playing and worried about what is next, but none of the three who just announced for the PORTAL have had a good experience so why not wait to see who is next then join the portal? Maybe (but unlikely given our administration), enough players entering the portal will motivate a timely decision on a new coach, to allow at least the possibility that some of them can be successfully "recruited" to stay.
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Post by prhoya on Mar 14, 2023 9:39:00 GMT -5
Well might be true, if you were playing and worried about what is next, but none of the three who just announced for the PORTAL have had a good experience so why not wait to see who is next then join the portal? Maybe (but unlikely given our administration), enough rplayers entering the portal will motivate a timely decision on a new coach, to allow at least the possibility that some of them can be successfully "recruited" to stay. Just looked… Jay Heath, Brad and Qudus don’t mention Georgetown in their Twitter profile. Murray and Bristol do. I cannot find Ryan’s or Akok’s Twitter account.
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Post by drquigley on Mar 14, 2023 10:05:51 GMT -5
I don't want this to perceived in any way as defending Ewing but I have to wonder if any of these guys entering the portal are really worth keeping? We know Ewing wanted to win at any cost this year and, while a crummy coach, he should be able to judge talent. He saw these guys every day in practice and I have to think that if any of them stood out he would have played them more. And unless I'm mistaken none of our previous 20 transfers went on to light the college bball world on fire. Now you can argue that if they were so bad why did he recruit them in the first place or that had he played them more they may have developed into legit starters or at least useful 6th men (I'm thinking Riley and Anglin especially) but while I can understand why they want to transfer I don't think we should mourn their loss. To be honest I thought Holloway was a big loss and would really help Tulane but last I looked he averaged 16 minutes and 6 points a game this year.
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Post by prhoya on Mar 14, 2023 10:19:11 GMT -5
I don't want this to perceived in any way as defending Ewing but I have to wonder if any of these guys entering the portal are really worth keeping? We know Ewing wanted to win at any cost this year and, while a crummy coach, he should be able to judge talent. He saw these guys every day in practice and I have to think that if any of them stood out he would have played them more. And unless I'm mistaken none of our previous 20 transfers went on to light the college bball world on fire. Now you can argue that if they were so bad why did he recruit them in the first place or that had he played them more they may have developed into legit starters or at least useful 6th men (I'm thinking Riley and Anglin especially) but while I can understand why they want to transfer I don't think we should mourn their loss. To be honest I thought Holloway was a big loss and would really help Tulane but last I looked he averaged 16 minutes and 6 points a game this year. Our former historic loser of a coach didn’t know how to build a winning team, how to develop players and how to manage our program. Are you tellling me you wouldn’t like to see these kids or others be three- or four-year students here because we can do better? You’re putting too much trust in Pat’s capacity to judge talent or use talent correctly.
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 14, 2023 10:33:36 GMT -5
I don't want this to perceived in any way as defending Ewing but I have to wonder if any of these guys entering the portal are really worth keeping? We know Ewing wanted to win at any cost this year and, while a crummy coach, he should be able to judge talent. He saw these guys every day in practice and I have to think that if any of them stood out he would have played them more. And unless I'm mistaken none of our previous 20 transfers went on to light the college bball world on fire. Now you can argue that if they were so bad why did he recruit them in the first place or that had he played them more they may have developed into legit starters or at least useful 6th men (I'm thinking Riley and Anglin especially) but while I can understand why they want to transfer I don't think we should mourn their loss. To be honest I thought Holloway was a big loss and would really help Tulane but last I looked he averaged 16 minutes and 6 points a game this year. Holloway played only 4 minutes in the conference tourney loss to Memphis while the Tulane coach rode his five starters 35 plus minutes in a 40 pt loss.
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Post by hoyaguy on Mar 14, 2023 10:55:46 GMT -5
Saw a tweet saying San Diego St and seton hall have reached out
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Post by drquigley on Mar 14, 2023 22:21:45 GMT -5
I don't want this to perceived in any way as defending Ewing but I have to wonder if any of these guys entering the portal are really worth keeping? We know Ewing wanted to win at any cost this year and, while a crummy coach, he should be able to judge talent. He saw these guys every day in practice and I have to think that if any of them stood out he would have played them more. And unless I'm mistaken none of our previous 20 transfers went on to light the college bball world on fire. Now you can argue that if they were so bad why did he recruit them in the first place or that had he played them more they may have developed into legit starters or at least useful 6th men (I'm thinking Riley and Anglin especially) but while I can understand why they want to transfer I don't think we should mourn their loss. To be honest I thought Holloway was a big loss and would really help Tulane but last I looked he averaged 16 minutes and 6 points a game this year. Our former historic loser of a coach didn’t know how to build a winning team, how to develop players and how to manage our program. Are you tellling me you wouldn’t like to see these kids or others be three- or four-year students here because we can do better? You’re putting too much trust in Pat’s capacity to judge talent or use talent correctly. I'd love to see more of Riley and Anglin and Motumbo but I'm just suggesting that the one (and the coaches) who saw the most of them obviously didn't think they could help a 7-26 team. Sure maybe that's just another reason to doubt Ewing and his coaches judgement but as bad as he was trying to win I can't think he saw enough in them to warrant more pt.
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 14, 2023 22:22:57 GMT -5
Saw a tweet saying San Diego St and seton hall have reached out He’s fit right in with Shaheen Holloway scheme.
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Post by prhoya on Mar 14, 2023 22:34:21 GMT -5
Our former historic loser of a coach didn’t know how to build a winning team, how to develop players and how to manage our program. Are you tellling me you wouldn’t like to see these kids or others be three- or four-year students here because we can do better? You’re putting too much trust in Pat’s capacity to judge talent or use talent correctly. I'd love to see more of Riley and Anglin and Motumbo but I'm just suggesting that the one (and the coaches) who saw the most of them obviously didn't think they could help a 7-26 team. Sure maybe that's just another reason to doubt Ewing and his coaches judgement but as bad as he was trying to win I can't think he saw enough in them to warrant more pt. That’s always the excuse with Ewing and with JT3. The “they see them in practice” excuse could not explain why, for example, Dante got his starter role when Ewing was forced to use him when Harris went down or disappeared. Suddenly, Eureka! The bench player could play. It’s a BS excuse which leads to bench players underdeveloped and lacking confidence, while the starters are dead in February. Hopefully, the next coach knows how to manage his team.
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Post by hoyaboya on Mar 14, 2023 22:36:37 GMT -5
Saw a tweet saying San Diego St and seton hall have reached out He’s fit right in with Shaheen Holloway scheme. I’d like to see him stay - he fits well with the physical style Cooley likes to play. Seton Hall would be a good fit also.
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 14, 2023 22:37:23 GMT -5
I'd love to see more of Riley and Anglin and Motumbo but I'm just suggesting that the one (and the coaches) who saw the most of them obviously didn't think they could help a 7-26 team. Sure maybe that's just another reason to doubt Ewing and his coaches judgement but as bad as he was trying to win I can't think he saw enough in them to warrant more pt. That’s always the excuse with Ewing and with JT3. The “they see them in practice” excuse could not explain why, for example, Dante got his starter role when Ewing was forced to use him when Harris went down or disappeared. Suddenly, Eureka! The bench player could play. It’s a BS excuse which leads to bench players underdeveloped and lacking confidence, while the starters are dead in February. Hopefully, the next coach knows how to manage his team. Thats revisionist history. Dante was outplaying Jalen (Jalen was awful) and Jalen took his ball home when Ewing prompted Dante to starter.
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 14, 2023 22:38:48 GMT -5
He’s fit right in with Shaheen Holloway scheme. I’d like to see him stay - he fits well with the physical style Cooley likes to play. Seton Hall would be a good fit also. I don’t like that he has a flat shot and can’t shoot 3s. He shoot’s 2003s “worst shot in basketball” the midrange. I’d like Cooley to go after 3pt shooters.
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Post by hoyaboya on Mar 14, 2023 22:44:38 GMT -5
I’d like to see him stay - he fits well with the physical style Cooley likes to play. Seton Hall would be a good fit also. I don’t like that he has a flat shot and can’t shoot 3s. He shoot’s 2003s “worst shot in basketball” the midrange. I’d like Cooley to go after 3pt shooters. Maybe if crony capitalism Cooley brings some better development coaches than what Jordan’s had, he can get that three point shot improved. Defensively and toughness-wise I think he’d fit well on a Cooley-coached team.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Mar 14, 2023 22:46:18 GMT -5
Dante was outplaying Jalen (Jalen was awful) and Jalen took his ball home when Ewing prompted Dante to starter. Jalen Harris' disappearance rivals that of Eric Micoud's timely draft notice to the French army in 1994. Harris, a capable SEC player, could have actually earned the year back on eligibility due to COVID-19. He never played college basketball again and apparently did not pursue any basketball thereafter, now three years later.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 14, 2023 22:46:56 GMT -5
That’s always the excuse with Ewing and with JT3. The “they see them in practice” excuse could not explain why, for example, Dante got his starter role when Ewing was forced to use him when Harris went down or disappeared. Suddenly, Eureka! The bench player could play. It’s a BS excuse which leads to bench players underdeveloped and lacking confidence, while the starters are dead in February. Hopefully, the next coach knows how to manage his team. Thats revisionist history. Dante was outplaying Jalen (Jalen was awful) and Jalen took his ball home when Ewing prompted Dante to starter. You've said this before, but there's really no evidence of this other than speculation (and I agree Jalen was horrible, but that hasn't kept Ewing from playing similarly horrible people). Jalen Harris, before he left, played more than 20 minutes each game: 26, 28, 30, 25, 27. The only way your story works is if we knew for sure that Ewing had a sit down with Harris and told him Dante was going to take more minutes. And we have in indication that happened, unless you have inside information?
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 14, 2023 22:48:04 GMT -5
I don’t like that he has a flat shot and can’t shoot 3s. He shoot’s 2003s “worst shot in basketball” the midrange. I’d like Cooley to go after 3pt shooters. Maybe if crony capitalism Cooley brings some better development coaches than what Jordan’s had, he can get that three point shot improved. Defensively and toughness-wise I think he’d fit well on a Cooley-coached team. It's such a scandal that someone doing a job would seek a raise. That's crony capitalism for you. Now, giving Ewing $12 million in an extension that was entirely undeserved...
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Post by hoyaboya on Mar 14, 2023 22:49:05 GMT -5
Thats revisionist history. Dante was outplaying Jalen (Jalen was awful) and Jalen took his ball home when Ewing prompted Dante to starter. You've said this before, but there's really no evidence of this other than speculation (and I agree Jalen was horrible, but that hasn't kept Ewing from playing similarly horrible people). Jalen Harris, before he left, played more than 20 minutes each game: 26, 28, 30, 25, 27. The only way your story works is if we knew for sure that Ewing had a sit down with Harris and told him Dante was going to take more minutes. And we have in indication that happened, unless you have inside information? I’m starting to think the good professor may know what he was talking about with Dante Harris. Pretty sure he’s the one who’s told us about Dante trying to implement the Curtis Staple hitch-style three point shot.
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 14, 2023 22:54:49 GMT -5
You've said this before, but there's really no evidence of this other than speculation (and I agree Jalen was horrible, but that hasn't kept Ewing from playing similarly horrible people). Jalen Harris, before he left, played more than 20 minutes each game: 26, 28, 30, 25, 27. The only way your story works is if we knew for sure that Ewing had a sit down with Harris and told him Dante was going to take more minutes. And we have in indication that happened, unless you have inside information? I’m starting to think the good professor may know what he was talking about with Dante Harris. Pretty sure he’s the one who’s told us about Dante trying to implement the Curtis Staple hitch-style three point shot. Yes that’s why Dante ended up at Curtis Staples alma mater UVA. Staples called in a favor to Bennetts Assistent (who played with Staples, something like that) and now Dante is at UVA. Dante worships Curtis Staples as he should
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Post by traversb on Mar 14, 2023 23:22:45 GMT -5
Thats revisionist history. Dante was outplaying Jalen (Jalen was awful) and Jalen took his ball home when Ewing prompted Dante to starter. You've said this before, but there's really no evidence of this other than speculation (and I agree Jalen was horrible, but that hasn't kept Ewing from playing similarly horrible people). Jalen Harris, before he left, played more than 20 minutes each game: 26, 28, 30, 25, 27. The only way your story works is if we knew for sure that Ewing had a sit down with Harris and told him Dante was going to take more minutes. And we have in indication that happened, unless you have inside information? Before Jalen left Dante was shooting 35% and 25% from 3. In the last game before Jalen left Dante had 1 assist and 3 turnover. To think Jalen was told Dante would eat into his minutes, especially knowing everything we now know about Ewing, is a fairy tale.
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Post by prhoya on Mar 14, 2023 23:29:03 GMT -5
You've said this before, but there's really no evidence of this other than speculation (and I agree Jalen was horrible, but that hasn't kept Ewing from playing similarly horrible people). Jalen Harris, before he left, played more than 20 minutes each game: 26, 28, 30, 25, 27. The only way your story works is if we knew for sure that Ewing had a sit down with Harris and told him Dante was going to take more minutes. And we have in indication that happened, unless you have inside information? Before Jalen left Dante was shooting 35% and 25% from 3. In the last game before Jalen left Dante had 1 assist and 3 turnover. To think Jalen was told Dante would eat into his minutes, especially knowing everything we now know about Ewing, is a fairy tale. The professor believes that if he repeats it enough times, it becomes the truth.
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