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Post by professorhoya on Dec 12, 2022 12:50:22 GMT -5
I want Riley and every other kid on this team to stay and be an active part of this program. I see talent on this roster that should be producing much better results than we have seen. I do not believe that Ewing will be the coach next year, and it seems to me that Riley and every other kid on this team would do well to see who comes next before making any decision to leave the program. This kid has talent. He needs a lot of development on the offensive end, but that was true of many key and important contributing players during the heyday of Hoya hoops, particularly those who play with the intensity of Riley on the defensive end of the court. Not going to interpret the comments of the father. I was one of those fathers with three of my kids who were in college sports. Thank God I did not have social media to embarrass myself during their first season when they had to wait for significant playing time. But I understand the frustration of this parent. I hope that things change and that Riley gets an opportunity to show the talent he has flashed in his brief appearances this season. Ditto for Ryan, Anglin, Bristol and Bass. Playing time is always a problem. Only so many minutes to divide up. Social media and NIL magnify the problem. Just look at the ruckus that Gio Reyna and Berhalter caused at the World Cup due to PT: www.espn.com/soccer/united-states-usa/story/4830953/usa-midfielder-giovanni-reyna-almost-sent-home-from-world-cup?platform=ampHowever in Jordan’s case injuries have been the major setback (shoulder last year, ankle this year. Coach Ewing loves elite level athleticism and high motor players which is why Jordan is still here while the below the rim, slow twitch players are not. Jordan reminds me of a bigger mac McLung. Elite scores with elite athleticism. And Coach played Mac a lot so expect that Jordan will be getting a lot more time if he can get over his injuries Jordan’s time will come.
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Post by daveg023 on Dec 12, 2022 13:11:52 GMT -5
Yes his time will come…. most likely under another coach.
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Post by professorhoya on Dec 12, 2022 13:25:15 GMT -5
Yes his time will come…. most likely under another coach. Coach Ewing has a lot of connections in the NBA and overseas. You can either work hard, listen to coach and end up in the NBA like Yurt7 (Heat/Pat Riley/Alonzo Mourning) or Jamorko Pickett or you can end up in G league oblivion or worse for those who didn’t listen and left like Mac, Akinjo, LeBlanc.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Dec 12, 2022 13:53:20 GMT -5
Yes his time will come…. most likely under another coach. Coach Ewing has a lot of connections in the NBA and overseas. You can either work hard, listen to coach and end up in the NBA like Yurt7 (Heat/Pat Riley/Alonzo Mourning) or Jamorko Pickett or you can end up in G league oblivion or worse for those who didn’t listen and left like Mac, Akinjo, LeBlanc. PRetty sure Pickett is a G league journeyman.
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Post by professorhoya on Dec 12, 2022 14:03:09 GMT -5
Coach Ewing has a lot of connections in the NBA and overseas. You can either work hard, listen to coach and end up in the NBA like Yurt7 (Heat/Pat Riley/Alonzo Mourning) or Jamorko Pickett or you can end up in G league oblivion or worse for those who didn’t listen and left like Mac, Akinjo, LeBlanc. PRetty sure Pickett is a G league journeyman. Nope. Pickett was with the Pistons last year on a two way. Was in the NBA right out of college. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamorko_PickettMac is what you would consider a G League journeyman. Though I believe he will eventually make the NBA
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Dec 12, 2022 14:37:52 GMT -5
Yes his time will come…. most likely under another coach. Coach Ewing has a lot of connections in the NBA and overseas. You can either work hard, listen to coach and end up in the NBA like Yurt7 (Heat/Pat Riley/Alonzo Mourning) or Jamorko Pickett or you can end up in G league oblivion or worse for those who didn’t listen and left like Mac, Akinjo, LeBlanc. Akinjo was never a likely NBA player, he's just too small. Yurtseven was considered an NBA prospect before he even came to Georgetown. Pickett has played 13 games in the NBA. I hope Ewing did help these guys out (I have no idea), but I would hardly point to these data points as a major positive.
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Post by professorhoya on Dec 12, 2022 14:44:12 GMT -5
Coach Ewing has a lot of connections in the NBA and overseas. You can either work hard, listen to coach and end up in the NBA like Yurt7 (Heat/Pat Riley/Alonzo Mourning) or Jamorko Pickett or you can end up in G league oblivion or worse for those who didn’t listen and left like Mac, Akinjo, LeBlanc. Akinjo was never a likely NBA player, he's just too small. Yurtseven was considered an NBA prospect before he even came to Georgetown. Pickett has played 13 games in the NBA. I hope Ewing did help these guys out (I have no idea), but I would hardly point to these data points as a major positive. Conversely the data points of those who left (transferred) from the program in terms of making the NBA is not good *we can also add Marcus Derrickson as a guy who stuck with the program and played on the NBA. Another feather in Coach Ewings cap.
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Post by mfk24 on Dec 12, 2022 15:01:17 GMT -5
I want Riley and every other kid on this team to stay and be an active part of this program. I see talent on this roster that should be producing much better results than we have seen. I do not believe that Ewing will be the coach next year, and it seems to me that Riley and every other kid on this team would do well to see who comes next before making any decision to leave the program. This kid has talent. He needs a lot of development on the offensive end, but that was true of many key and important contributing players during the heyday of Hoya hoops, particularly those who play with the intensity of Riley on the defensive end of the court. Not going to interpret the comments of the father. I was one of those fathers with three of my kids who were in college sports. Thank God I did not have social media to embarrass myself during their first season when they had to wait for significant playing time. But I understand the frustration of this parent. I hope that things change and that Riley gets an opportunity to show the talent he has flashed in his brief appearances this season. Ditto for Ryan, Anglin, Bristol and Bass. Playing time is always a problem. Only so many minutes to divide up. Social media and NIL magnify the problem. Just look at the ruckus that Gio Reyna and Berhalter caused at the World Cup due to PT: www.espn.com/soccer/united-states-usa/story/4830953/usa-midfielder-giovanni-reyna-almost-sent-home-from-world-cup?platform=ampHowever in Jordan’s case injuries have been the major setback (shoulder last year, ankle this year. Coach Ewing loves elite level athleticism and high motor players which is why Jordan is still here while the below the rim, slow twitch players are not. Jordan reminds me of a bigger mac McLung. Elite scores with elite athleticism. And Coach played Mac a lot so expect that Jordan will be getting a lot more time if he can get over his injuries Jordan’s time will come. If we believe his dad, which I do, Riley only missed 1 game due to injury this year. The rest are DNP coach’s decisions. PE played Mac a lot because Mac was a starter. He plays all of his starters a lot of minutes and has never really used his bench well. The only guy that got consistent minutes off the bench was Blair. He’s often been forced to play more guys at the 4/5 because our bigs struggle so much but in the backcourt, if those guys stay out of foul trouble, they’ll play 38-39 mins.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Dec 12, 2022 15:04:52 GMT -5
Graduation rates have plummeted. ☹️
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Post by hoyaroc on Dec 12, 2022 15:42:12 GMT -5
Graduation rates have plummeted. ☹️ Is that due to Gtown having a high transfer rate? I don’t believe no players graduated on last year team.
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Post by mfk24 on Dec 12, 2022 16:29:30 GMT -5
Graduation rates have plummeted. ☹️ Is that due to Gtown having a high transfer rate? I don’t believe no players graduated on last year team. Correct. Transfers. Pickett and Blair might’ve been the last to graduate. Can’t recall if Carey came having already graduated from Sienna or not.
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Post by SSHoya on Dec 12, 2022 16:43:25 GMT -5
Is that due to Gtown having a high transfer rate? I don’t believe no players graduated on last year team. Correct. Transfers. Pickett and Blair might’ve been the last to graduate. Can’t recall if Carey came having already graduated from Sienna or not. Carey had graduated from Siena before enrolling at Georgetown as a grad student. www.hoyabasketball.com/players/d_carey.htm
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Post by conshyhoya on Dec 12, 2022 17:33:25 GMT -5
Playing time is always a problem. Only so many minutes to divide up. Social media and NIL magnify the problem. Just look at the ruckus that Gio Reyna and Berhalter caused at the World Cup due to PT: www.espn.com/soccer/united-states-usa/story/4830953/usa-midfielder-giovanni-reyna-almost-sent-home-from-world-cup?platform=ampHowever in Jordan’s case injuries have been the major setback (shoulder last year, ankle this year. Coach Ewing loves elite level athleticism and high motor players which is why Jordan is still here while the below the rim, slow twitch players are not. Jordan reminds me of a bigger mac McLung. Elite scores with elite athleticism. And Coach played Mac a lot so expect that Jordan will be getting a lot more time if he can get over his injuries Jordan’s time will come. If we believe his dad, which I do, Riley only missed 1 game due to injury this year. The rest are DNP coach’s decisions. PE played Mac a lot because Mac was a starter. He plays all of his starters a lot of minutes and has never really used his bench well. The only guy that got consistent minutes off the bench was Blair. He’s often been forced to play more guys at the 4/5 because our bigs struggle so much but in the backcourt, if those guys stay out of foul trouble, they’ll play 38-39 mins. I believe he was in street clothes for 2 games but either way he definitely is healthy now and there is no way he should ever be a DNP coach's decision. Primo is not a 39 minute a game player. He is horrible from beyond the arc. He does have a knack for getting fouled and is an excellent FT shooter but that is really it. His defense wasn't good against Syracuse. He is often sloppy with the ball. Between him, Murray having foul trouble and Heath really not having a great game you should easily at least be able to get him 10+ minutes in that game. Same with Ryan. Q had some ok plays but overall was abused by Edwards and Brad showed in the little time he played was not a good choice on either end. Edwards did most of his damage at the rim and I think Ryan would have done just as good as anyone else. The fact that they didn't even get a chance as we get smoked is just mind boggling. Clearly the starters aren't winning you much right now so let the kids play and show what they can do.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Dec 12, 2022 17:53:22 GMT -5
Akinjo was never a likely NBA player, he's just too small. Yurtseven was considered an NBA prospect before he even came to Georgetown. Pickett has played 13 games in the NBA. I hope Ewing did help these guys out (I have no idea), but I would hardly point to these data points as a major positive. Conversely the data points of those who left (transferred) from the program in terms of making the NBA is not good *we can also add Marcus Derrickson as a guy who stuck with the program and played on the NBA. Another feather in Coach Ewings cap. Two things. One, good for the guys who have made the NBA, though none of them have had long runs. To the degree Ewing helped them, kudos to Ewing. Two, Georgetown is not an NBA-mill for guys who play a few games in the NBA. To me, if you can put people like Green, Hibbert, Monroe, or Porter in the NBA that speaks highly of the program. Those guys are high level players. But, when you're hanging your hat on guys who have played a handful of games in the NBA, I am not sure how much of a feather in anybody's cap that is. Georgetown is a college team, and you win in college by having good college players. Frankly, Pickett wasn't a good college player for at least 3 of his 4 seasons. I am glad it worked out well for him in the end, but the goal of Georgetown should be to develop good college players--IN COLLEGE--not guys who do okay in college but then make the NBA. For reference, Ewing's NBA guys, by numbers of games played: Derrickson - 11 (unlikely to play in the NBA again) Yurtseven - 56 (all last year, none this year) Pickett - 13 (last year) If I am missing someone, I apologize, but these are the ones I remember. It's not overly impressive.
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Post by professorhoya on Dec 12, 2022 18:05:30 GMT -5
Conversely the data points of those who left (transferred) from the program in terms of making the NBA is not good *we can also add Marcus Derrickson as a guy who stuck with the program and played on the NBA. Another feather in Coach Ewings cap. Two things. One, good for the guys who have made the NBA, though none of them have had long runs. To the degree Ewing helped them, kudos to Ewing. Two, Georgetown is not an NBA-mill for guys who play a few games in the NBA. To me, if you can put people like Green, Hibbert, Monroe, or Porter in the NBA that speaks highly of the program. Those guys are high level players. But, when you're hanging your hat on guys who have played a handful of games in the NBA, I am not sure how much of a feather in anybody's cap that is. Georgetown is a college team, and you win in college by having good college players. Frankly, Pickett wasn't a good college player for at least 3 of his 4 seasons. I am glad it worked out well for him in the end, but the goal of Georgetown should be to develop good college players--IN COLLEGE--not guys who do okay in college but then make the NBA. For reference, Ewing's NBA guys, by numbers of games played: Derrickson - 11 (unlikely to play in the NBA again) Yurtseven - 56 (all last year, none this year) Pickett - 13 (last year) If I am missing someone, I apologize, but these are the ones I remember. It's not overly impressive. You also need to do a breakdown on the guys who transferred out of Georgetown during the Ewing era and their NBA prospects
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Post by seaweed on Dec 12, 2022 18:28:08 GMT -5
If we believe his dad, which I do, Riley only missed 1 game due to injury this year. The rest are DNP coach’s decisions. PE played Mac a lot because Mac was a starter. He plays all of his starters a lot of minutes and has never really used his bench well. The only guy that got consistent minutes off the bench was Blair. He’s often been forced to play more guys at the 4/5 because our bigs struggle so much but in the backcourt, if those guys stay out of foul trouble, they’ll play 38-39 mins. I believe he was in street clothes for 2 games but either way he definitely is healthy now and there is no way he should ever be a DNP coach's decision. Primo is not a 39 minute a game player. He is horrible from beyond the arc. He does have a knack for getting fouled and is an excellent FT shooter but that is really it. His defense wasn't good against Syracuse. He is often sloppy with the ball. Between him, Murray having foul trouble and Heath really not having a great game you should easily at least be able to get him 10+ minutes in that game. Same with Ryan. Q had some ok plays but overall was abused by Edwards and Brad showed in the little time he played was not a good choice on either end. Edwards did most of his damage at the rim and I think Ryan would have done just as good as anyone else. The fact that they didn't even get a chance as we get smoked is just mind boggling. Clearly the starters aren't winning you much right now so let the kids play and show what they can do. I agree w a lot of what is said here, but I also wonder what Riley’s zone busting skills are. We have been facing up against that same zone for 50 darned years and still can’t seem to game plan it properly, but I am not sure how Riley changes that. He is not our best passer or outside shooter and he hasn’t demonstrated the midrange the way Primo and Heath have. That said, when the fit if hitting the shan, mix it up a bit Coach and see if the other guys can give you something. Just not sure this’ll game goes to Riley’s strengths and maybe the feeling was he would benefit from a little more time to heal instead of putting his in a position that doesn’t suit him.
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Post by HamptonHoya on Dec 13, 2022 5:54:18 GMT -5
I hope he recovers soon, he adds an intangible. Really is missed, plays defense, is team first. In one of the last games he played, he was walking back to the bench and was visibly upset, a teammate was talking to him. Any ideas what occurred? Apologies if it has already been discussed. Thanks Bro. Riley for the response. Looking forward to seeing him on the court soon.
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Post by prhoya on Dec 13, 2022 21:36:00 GMT -5
Jordan, keep grinding on the court and classroom!
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Dec 14, 2022 12:24:59 GMT -5
Mr. Riley, we all want to see Jordan on the court, we need the things he can contribute. Hopefully our coach recognizes that and soon.
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Post by AvantGuardHoya on Dec 14, 2022 14:39:57 GMT -5
I really like that Jordan's dad appreciates the quality of education his son's receiving at the Hilltop and pray that Jordan gets on the court more this season. He's flashed his talent and athleticism. I hope he weathers this year's storm and we get to see more of him!
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