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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2020 19:48:46 GMT -5
Hard to fairly judge this recruiting class because we had a pretty full roster of players who would have still had eligibility this year during the time when most of the top 150 would have been available. The full roster made it difficult to recruit 2020 kids in August/September because most would prefer to play early and you had 3 Sophomore starters who were probably 3 of your 4 top players on the roster.
I don't think it's necessarily Ewing's fault most of those kids transferred. Others may disagree, and that's fine. But either way the timing of that event, in December, after most of the known prospects had committed to other schools really put them behind the 8 ball.
Then you had Covid which made it very hard to build relationships in the 4 quarter with transfers and other eligible players that were still available. This probably affected a number of kids they were on like Murray, Walton and Collins to name a few. Not saying they would have landed any but they would have had a better shot.
So what you have is a class that they had to scramble to put together. Some of the kids are probably a reach. I don't expect all to be around next year to be honest. If you can hit with 3-4 of them and back that up with a solid 2021 class with some impact players that would be the best case scenario imo. In a lot of ways it's like we're starting all over again.
If Pat wants to land classes like JT3 he really needs to upgrade his staff. I think right now that's the biggest concern. Some of these guys need to put some numbers on the board quick or they shouldn't be here anymore, or reassigned to different roles. The style of play is one that prospects would find attractive so the results should be better.
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Post by mdtd on Jun 5, 2020 21:36:58 GMT -5
Hard to fairly judge this recruiting class because we had a pretty full roster of players who would have still had eligibility this year during the time when most of the top 150 would have been available. The full roster made it difficult to recruit 2020 kids in August/September because most would prefer to play early and you had 3 Sophomore starters who were probably 3-4 top players on the roster. I don't think it's necessarily Ewing's fault most of those kids transferred. Others may disagree, and that's fine. But either way the timing of that event, in December, after most of the known prospects had committed to other schools really put them behind the 8 ball. Then you had Covid which made it very hard to build relationships in the 4 quarter with transfers and other eligible players that were still available. This probably affected a number of kids they were on like Murray, Walton and Collins to name a few. Not saying they would have landed any but they would have had a better shot. So what you have is a class that they had to scramble to put together. Some of the kids are probably a reach. I don't expect all to be around next year to be honest. If you can hit with 3-4 of them and back that up with a solid 2021 class with some impact players that would be the best case scenario imo. In a lot of ways it's like we're starting all over again. If Pat wants to land classes like JT3 he really needs to upgrade his staff. I think right now that's the biggest concern. Some of these guys need to put some numbers on the board quick or they shouldn't be here anymore, or reassigned to different roles. The style of play is one that prospects would find attractive. I think the best comparison for our class (both now and during the season) is Wichita State. They will be the team I will look at to monitor our progress. The Shockers lost a ton of talent in the off season because of bad chemistry issues. They lost seven guys to transfer, six of them being scholarship guys, while having their starting center graduate. They now bring in seven guys, three three star recruits, three JUCO transfers (one being a brother of a guy on the team) and a grad transfer who I really like in Alterique Gilbert of UCONN. I personally think he's better than our transfers, but ESPN has Bile ranked higher (his off-ball defense and his fouls+TO's really scare me and are very consistent with our teams problems). They had less time to assemble a team (I think everyone committed on or after March 28th), a worse location, are in a worse conference and they shouldn't be better than us. Our incoming class is much better. I'd easily take Sibley and Beard over anyone they bring in, and probably Clark, too. Though again, 247 has one guy they bring in rated higher than Clark. But, I'm taking our class over Wichita State's easily, granted it should be better though. That's the baseline to me. Have our guys and our team perform better than a team who had to deal with these issues worse than we did. The class was better, now let's make sure they play better. It was hard to assemble a class this year. No denying that. But, it would've been nice to make a bigger splash on the transfer market. But, I can't be angry at the class that was brought in. The Holloway addition is puzzling to me, but other than that, with how this off season went I can't really complain (though RJ Davis, MAM and Terrance Williams would've been nice). More of a sarcastic note, if we want to hire Cade Cunningham's brother from Oklahoma State, the ranking problem would be completely gone and it would represent a change in staff. Just a thought I had.
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Post by dchoya72 on Jun 5, 2020 21:46:52 GMT -5
Bottom line is we need to win --impressively. Who knows what last year would have been if those young men hadn't allowed themselves to pulled into a cloud of seemingly misbehavior. Whatever happened the kids should have used better judgment and we would have had much better results. But it is what it was, and we go forward and not spin in place. We have talent. Do they have drive, integrity and the fortitude to band together an win? I hope so. We shall see.
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Post by daveg023 on Jun 6, 2020 5:47:35 GMT -5
Hard to fairly judge this recruiting class because we had a pretty full roster of players who would have still had eligibility this year during the time when most of the top 150 would have been available. The full roster made it difficult to recruit 2020 kids in August/September because most would prefer to play early and you had 3 Sophomore starters who were probably 3-4 top players on the roster. I don't think it's necessarily Ewing's fault most of those kids transferred. Others may disagree, and that's fine. But either way the timing of that event, in December, after most of the known prospects had committed to other schools really put them behind the 8 ball. Then you had Covid which made it very hard to build relationships in the 4 quarter with transfers and other eligible players that were still available. This probably affected a number of kids they were on like Murray, Walton and Collins to name a few. Not saying they would have landed any but they would have had a better shot. So what you have is a class that they had to scramble to put together. Some of the kids are probably a reach. I don't expect all to be around next year to be honest. If you can hit with 3-4 of them and back that up with a solid 2021 class with some impact players that would be the best case scenario imo. In a lot of ways it's like we're starting all over again. If Pat wants to land classes like JT3 he really needs to upgrade his staff. I think right now that's the biggest concern. Some of these guys need to put some numbers on the board quick or they shouldn't be here anymore, or reassigned to different roles. The style of play is one that prospects would find attractive so the results should be better. Great points as usual: - We were behind the 8-ball this year, and as a result definitely scrambled. That being said, I would have preferred to grab 1-2 more transfers and 1-2 less freshman recruits for roster balance, but like you said, it's probably unlikely (and just an unfortunate reality of today's game) that not every freshman in this class will stick. - I think there certainly is the potential for 3-4 guys from this class to have an impact. I think the rational thought is that Sibley and Beard are by far the most talented, and would expect to be future starters. We'll just have to see among D Harris, Clark, Holloway, & Berger who can become a long-term piece for this team. - The coaching staff has been my biggest gripe with Ewing and his refusal to shake things up there after 4 years. Who knows if COVID threw a wrench in this, but I was really hoping we'd see a change this offseason. Sure Kirby has had some success in the south, but Orr seems to add nothing on this front (Whitney was the only name I remember him being attached to). If the assistants are whiz X's and O's guys (which I doubt few on here would contend they are), then you have to make your hay on the recruiting front. And frankly they just aren't winning enough battles right now.
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Post by reformation on Jun 6, 2020 6:51:10 GMT -5
Seems like we are ok at identifying under the radar guys mainly in the deep south, which is really a "scouting function". As far as convincing people to come here"recruiting" whatever we are doing has issues. It could be that we have asst's who do not sell well, or that Ewing himself has issues establishing a personal connection with recruits, or also that recruits did not get a good feel from the existing kids on the team--maybe some combo of these or other issues. The fact that we make top guys final lists but don't actually get any top guys leaves some hope I guess that the Gtwn name still carries some weight.
Would think that our general issues with transfers and 5th years also indicates that they were not sold on the teams short run competitiveness or other attributes of the school=I thought we should have done better here.
I think if we start winning at some level things can get better, but not really sure how much.
Having watched a few Ivy games this year and last in person, I would put our talent level around the higher end of that league(not the best). That being said the best ivies occasionally upset top 20 teams and can maybe win a game or two in NCAA with great coaching and a hot hand. Day in and out however; not competitive with P5 type competition. I'm not sure really how the admin/coacjing staff really views where we are or where we are trying to get to--i also doubt that the avg fan, not those on this board, also really understand our current relative position or really give it much thought.
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Post by Eurostar on Jun 6, 2020 7:55:57 GMT -5
JT3 was able to recruit guys at the level that a team should that expects to be in the NCAA tournament every year and competing for a Big East title. The issue was that guys didn't love his system / offense. This caught up to him and his recruiting success dropped of in the later years. As did his ability to get buy in from the players.
Ewing is not able to recruit at this level (yet) for some reason. Though his system / offense should be much more open and attractive to high school players.
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Post by reformation on Jun 6, 2020 9:29:13 GMT -5
Agree with above. I saw that Stanford got a 5 star + a bunch of 4 stars. Were we competing for any of those guys? It seems that we are going after the kids that place little value on Gtwn, the school, other than hopefully Mutombo.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jun 6, 2020 9:31:06 GMT -5
I think the further out in time you get from having had success, the harder it is to recruit. I really thought Pat was going to have early recruiting success, especially with centers. My fear is that it’s just getting harder to recruit as the initial buzz has faded. Love Ewing and hoping for miracles.
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Post by sweetness on Jun 6, 2020 9:56:50 GMT -5
I think the Stanford question is a good one. They haven't had success in forever and yet are recruiting at a very high level. Again it's not apples for apples but it's a fair comp.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2020 12:24:37 GMT -5
NO new coach is going to start a program recruiting the top players in their first couple of years. For you guys to expect coach Ewing to get the top playes, at this stage in his tenure, is ridiculous. First of all, the schools who have long term coaches always get most of the top talent. Everyone understands and knows that. Secondly, it takes time to get second tier players to join your program. Why? It is because of the "recruitment cycle" and where the coach is within that recruiment cycle.
Now I just made the "recruitment cycle" concept up and so I hope that you all understand where I am coming from when I try to explain it. Coach Ewing is going into his fourth year with GU. In order to establish a good long term relationship with a top kid out of high school, you would probably need to start when the kid is at least a sophomore. Ewing, being in his fourth year of coaching, hasn't been able to establish a relationship with many kids early within their high school career. Instead, coach Ewing is establishing these relationships too late (when they are high school seniors and juniors).
Also Ewing and the staff are catching wind of the good players long after other schools have offered. However, most of the long term coaches have already established relationships with these kids and thus, as I've already mentioned, have long ago offered the top kids. This is what I mean when I am making reference to the "recuritment cycle". GU is offering the top players too late in the cycle and it is only because Ewing's tenure is not aligned with the top players high school class. To support my claim, check out when GU offers the players and compare it to when other schools have already offered and you will see what I mean. GU is sometimes a year to two years later than other schools in thier offering these kids. Now this doesn't mean that coach Ewing or any of the other coaches are not recruiting. It just mean they are late in the recruitment cycle.
Now that coach Ewing is in his fourth year, he and his assistant coaches should have established some relationships with a few high school sophomores and some of those kids they should land in a few years. The kids that are seniors today and some juniors are going to be difficult to win over over other schools because, once again, they have already established relationships with the Dukes, Kentuckys and Carolinas to name a few blue bloods and also other power conference schools. This 'getting the GU brand recognition back on the map" is going to take some time because again, Ewing and his assistant are going to have to reach out and establish relationships much earlier in the recuritment cycle or, when the kid is in his sophmore year or early in his junior year. The mere fact that the top kids have GU in their final's list is (even if they don't ultimately pick Ewing and the Hoyas in the end) because of Patrick Ewing and also because GU is still a recognized brand by a lot of the kids is a good thing and it will began to pay off but you got to give it some time.
Now last year was a debacle but that wasn't coach's fault like some of you posting on the boards are making it out to be. We lost some good players and it hurt us badly because we would have won a few games last year which always help with recruiting. Losing those players (Akinjo, Mac and Leblanc mainly) hindered us from putting GU back on the map. Akinjo's and Mac's, main purposes was to help put GU back on the map. The two are no longer on the team and that ship has sailed. However, I am a firm believer that coach Ewing with his coaching can make the current team competitive (even without any glitzy stars like Mac and Akinjo) by coaching up the current players we have on the team now. This will help with recruiting top players in the future as I believe it will show how good a coach Ewing is.
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Post by daveg023 on Jun 6, 2020 12:44:31 GMT -5
No new coach is going to start a program recruiting the top players in their first couple of years. For you guys to expect coach Ewing to get the top playes, at this stage in his tenure, is ridiculous. First of all, the schools who have long term coaches always get most of the top talent. Everyone understands and knows that. Secondly, it takes time to get second tier players to join your program. Why? It is because of the "recruitment cycle" and where the coach is within that recruiment cycle. Now I just made the "recruitment cycle" concept up and so I hope that you all understand where I am coming from when I try to explain it. Coach Ewing is going into his fourth year with GU. In order to establish a good long term relationship with a top kid out of high school, you would probably need to start when the kid is at least a sophomore. Ewing, being in his fourth year of coaching, hasn't been able to establish a relationship with many kids early within their high school career. Instead, coach Ewing is establishing these relationships too late (when they are high school seniors and juniors). Also Ewing and the staff are catching wind of the good players long after other schools have offered. However, most of the long term coaches have already established relationships with these kids and thus, as I've already mentioned, have long ago offered the top kids. This is what I mean when I am making reference to the "recuritment cycle". GU is offering the top players too late in the cycle and it is only because Ewing's tenure is not aligned with the top players high school class. To support my claim, check out when GU offers the players and compare it to when other schools have already offered and you will see what I mean. GU is sometimes a year to two years later than other schools in thier offering these kids. Now this doesn't mean that coach Ewing or any of the other coaches are not recruiting. It just mean they are late in the recruitment cycle. Now that coach Ewing is in his fourth year, he and his assistant coaches should have established some relationships with a few high school sophomores and some of those kids they should land in a few years. The kids that are seniors today and some juniors are going to be difficult to win over over other schools because, once again, they have already established relationships with the Dukes, Kentuckys and Carolinas to name a few blue bloods and also other power conference schools. This 'getting the GU brand recognition back on the map" is going to take some time because again, Ewing and his assistant are going to have to reach out and establish relationships much earlier in the recuritment cycle or, when the kid is in his sophmore year or early in his junior year. The mere fact that the top kids have GU in their final's list is (even if they don't ultimately pick Ewing and the Hoyas in the end) because of Patrick Ewing and also because GU is still a recognized brand by a lot of the kids is a good thing and it will began to pay off but you got to give it some time. Now last year was a debacle but that wasn't coach's fault like some of you posting on the boards are making it out to be. We lost some good players and it hurt us badly because we would have won a few games last year which always help with recruiting. Losing those players (Akinjo, Mac and Leblanc mainly) hindered us from putting GU back on the map. Akinjo's and Mac's, main purposes was to help put GU back on the map. The two are no longer on the team and that ship has sailed. However, I am a firm believer that coach Ewing with his coaching can make the current team competitive (even without any glitzy stars like Mac and Akinjo) by coaching up the current players we have on the team now. This will help with recruiting top players in the future as I believe it will show how good a coach Ewing is. I think you should check Hardaway and Howard’s recruiting classes. Granted different situations, but your blanket statement looks foolish when you look at the success both have had.
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Post by rockhoya on Jun 6, 2020 12:51:04 GMT -5
new coach is going to start a program recruiting the top players in their first couple of years. For you guys to expect coach Ewing to get the top playes, at this stage in his tenure, is ridiculous.[b/] First of all, the schools who have long term coaches always get most of the top talent. Everyone understands and knows that. Secondly, it takes time to get second tier players to join your program. Why? It is because of the "recruitment cycle" and where the coach is within that recruiment cycle.
Now I just made the "recruitment cycle" concept up and so I hope that you all understand where I am coming from when I try to explain it. Coach Ewing is going into his fourth year with GU. In order to establish a good long term relationship with a top kid out of high school, you would probably need to start when the kid is at least a sophomore. Ewing, being in his fourth year of coaching, hasn't been able to establish a relationship with many kids early within their high school career. Instead, coach Ewing is establishing these relationships too late (when they are high school seniors and juniors).
Also Ewing and the staff are catching wind of the good players long after other schools have offered. However, most of the long term coaches have already established relationships with these kids and thus, as I've already mentioned, have long ago offered the top kids. This is what I mean when I am making reference to the "recuritment cycle". GU is offering the top players too late in the cycle and it is only because Ewing's tenure is not aligned with the top players high school class. To support my claim, check out when GU offers the players and compare it to when other schools have already offered and you will see what I mean. GU is sometimes a year to two years later than other schools in thier offering these kids. Now this doesn't mean that coach Ewing or any of the other coaches are not recruiting. It just mean they are late in the recruitment cycle.
Now that coach Ewing is in his fourth year, he and his assistant coaches should have established some relationships with a few high school sophomores and some of those kids they should land in a few years. The kids that are seniors today and some juniors are going to be difficult to win over over other schools because, once again, they have already established relationships with the Dukes, Kentuckys and Carolinas to name a few blue bloods and also other power conference schools. This 'getting the GU brand recognition back on the map" is going to take some time because again, Ewing and his assistant are going to have to reach out and establish relationships much earlier in the recuritment cycle or, when the kid is in his sophmore year or early in his junior year. The mere fact that the top kids have GU in their final's list is (even if they don't ultimately pick Ewing and the Hoyas in the end) because of Patrick Ewing and also because GU is still a recognized brand by a lot of the kids is a good thing and it will began to pay off but you got to give it some time.
Now last year was a debacle but that wasn't coach's fault like some of you posting on the boards are making it out to be. We lost some good players and it hurt us badly because we would have won a few games last year which always help with recruiting. Losing those players (Akinjo, Mac and Leblanc mainly) hindered us from putting GU back on the map. Akinjo's and Mac's, main purposes was to help put GU back on the map. The two are no longer on the team and that ship has sailed. However, I am a firm believer that coach Ewing with his coaching can make the current team competitive (even without any glitzy stars like Mac and Akinjo) by coaching up the current players we have on the team now. This will help with recruiting top players in the future as I believe it will show how good a coach Ewing is. I think you should check Hardaway and Howard’s recruiting classes. Granted different situations, but your blanket statement looks foolish when you look at the success both have had. What’s foolish is trying to use outliers (and the most obvious counter examples) to disprove a well-known reality. Not to mention those aren’t good examples of what the op was describing if you consider the context. I’ll add to what the previous poster said - kids want to find and want programs that they think can compete to win their league. The expectations many on here have re: Ewing’s expected recruiting performance are largely delusional because we haven’t even been close to competing for the league title since 2013 or 2014. Winning is the missing ingredient. We were right in the cusp of establishing a rhythm of winning, the national stage could feel it. We’ll be a dangerous team to play (once games exist again) because the staff has brought in a bunch of multidimensional players that will be able to contribute across different areas.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2020 12:51:11 GMT -5
Hi Dave, please explain how Memphis and Michigan have gotten their players before you go calling me foolish. Also, you do know you just named two out of 300 plus coaches right?
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Post by rockhoya on Jun 6, 2020 12:53:03 GMT -5
Hi Dave, please explain how Memphis and Michigan have gotten their players before you go calling me foolish. Also, you do know you just named two out of 300 plus coaches right? Exactly. The thinking around here is really shallow sometimes.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2020 13:01:00 GMT -5
I don't know how to quote you guys or put what you guys say in that quote box but rockhoya I am total agreement with you about the "competition" and the "shallow" post you made.
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Post by daveg023 on Jun 6, 2020 13:22:35 GMT -5
I prefaced it and said both situations were different than Georgetown, but facts are facts. Your original post loses credibility when you say you can’t expect a new coach to land 4 and 5 star players immediately when those are two non blue blood examples of new coaches (who had never coached at this level) who have just done that. I can’t think of any other P5 and high major coaches who were given jobs with no college experience other than Howard and Hardaway, so those are natural comps for Ewing.
When Ewing was hired the proponents of his hiring said his NBA connections and experience was going to pay dividends on the recruiting front immediately. Maybe not the 5 stars, headed to Duke and Kentucky, but the next tier. It has not been the case.
If these were the recruiting results you expected when we hired Ewing then I guess we just had different expectations for this program and job he could do.
The program he inherited was only 2 seasons removed from a Top 4 seed in the tournament, and 5 years removed from being a Top 2 seed. So I personally can’t buy the narrative that this was some massive rebuild and recruiting here would be an impossible chore.
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Post by mdtd on Jun 6, 2020 14:06:21 GMT -5
Hi Dave, please explain how Memphis and Michigan have gotten their players before you go calling me foolish. Also, you do know you just named two out of 300 plus coaches right? What I took what he was saying as was more don't make these 100% confident statements like no coach has gotten these guys instead saying "generally, no new coach gets these guys." The original statement made was wrong. There's more to it than just a straight-up comparison, as he even said, but the statement isn't true. I'll compare our class to some 2019 hires. If you want to say these comparisons aren't fair because these guys were already college coaches, then the only other examples I can think for are Penny (AAU connections) and Juwan Howard (Michigan connections?). Arkansas: 7th nationally, four four stars, three top 100. They also landed two very good transfers in Vance Jackson and Jalen Tate. Average rating of .9698. California: 78th nationally, one four star, one three star. They landed a transfer from Fresno State, who I don't know anything about. Average rating of .9056. Cincinnati: 49th nationally, one four star, three three stars. They also landed two very talented transfers in David DeJulius and Rapolas Ivanuaskas. Average rating of .8849. *Coach Brannen had a connection with Jalen Tate, but he went to Arkansas.* UCLA: 106th nationally, one four star and one transfer from Kentucky, high school four star Johnny Juzang. They also had Daishen Nix, but he decided to go G-League. Average rating of .9428. Nebraska: 73rd nationally, three three stars, including Teddy Allen (played at Wichita State and West Virginia, became a JUCO transfer, bizarre college career). Also landed transfers Kobe King a leading scorer at Wisconsin (He left before they went on their run), Kobe Webster, and Trey McGowens from Pitt. Average rating of .8782 St. Johns: 77th nationally, four three stars. They also landed a grad transfer from GW, granted I don't know about him. Average rating of .8517. *Personal note, I think Vince Cole is going to be a really good player for them, I think he's really, really underrated here.* Texas A&M: 17th nationally, two top 100 four stars, two three stars. Also landed grad transfer Kevin Marfo from Quinnipiac, who led the NCAA in rebounds last season. Average rating of .9260. Virginia Tech: 33rd nationally, Two four stars (one top 100), and one three star. Also landed transfers Cordell Pemsl and grad transfer Cartier Diarra (very good player, but he's also sworn out his old head coach on national TV multiple times. They had an assistant coach connection, so it was pretty obvious he was going here. I also think he's completely overrated by ESPN's transfer list. Still talented though.) Average rating of .9299. Washington State: 57th nationally, four three stars. Average rating of .8808. And lastly, Georgetown: 40th nationally, one top 100 four stars, three three stars (Tyler Beard is only a three star? ?), and Holloway is not listed. Also landed Jalen Harris and Bile (as everyone on here knows and has their takes, I've listed mine before, not going to again). Average rating of .9042. Just going off of rankings, both Musselman from Arkansas and Williams from Texas A&M landed really good classes. Young from VT was the only other one ahead of us. As for average rating VT, Texas A&M, UCLA, California, and Arkansas were ahead of us. Again, these don't include Holloway. So, I wouldn't say your original statement is true, even if we look at other guys. I wouldn't say it's common, but Georgetown has more basketball history and is a better job than most of these schools here and should recruit better. Again, our scenario with the defections made this very different from theirs. But, saying these guys didn't have the time to get a good case isn't true. Ewing's class his second year was really good. Just, he couldn't retain any of those guys. So he landed talent, as have some of these guys. But our scenario means we had less time to fill more spots. I personally think Ewing has to take some blame in that (recruit one bad apple fine, but you can't say everyone who left was a bad apple and not put at least some blame on the coach) but filling a class was going to be difficult. We had to fill more spots than most, if not all of these guys. I stand by my Wichita State example, and I think they're the team that I will compare ours with to see how our development and coaching are compared to theirs. Our incoming class is better, so let's make sure they play better. If not, it's a really bad look for our program. They had much less time, more openings while having the pandemic (again I think everyone came in after March 28th for them) and they shouldn't be better.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2020 16:01:22 GMT -5
Again, I do not know how to quote. However, mtdt...your analysis is not needed because of all those coaches were former coaches prior to landing their new jobs. I am almost certain they had relationships already established with a lot of these players that they recruited to the new school for which the coach was hired. What do you say when some of these top players have us in their finals list? What I would say is that GU and coach Ewing are making some progress in recruiting. I would say, it is going to take a couple of years before it starts to pay dividends and we start to see the top four star players choosing to play for the Hoyas. To Dave, I say Patrick's influence did pay off. Remember how he convinced Akinjo to come and join the Hoyas at the last hour? Remember when he got Mac to consider the Hoyas after he decommit from the Rutgers program? Remember Yurt saying he specifically wanted to play for Patrick Ewing? Do you remember a kid named LeBlanc who chose to leave the state of Louisiana? What about Cisse, who wears number 33 and is seriously considering to play for the Hoyas? Also, don't forget about brother Mutumbo who son is favored to play with the Hoyas. What do you say about Patrick's influence in those cases? Do you dismiss them?
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Post by prhoya on Jun 6, 2020 16:14:53 GMT -5
Again, I do not know how to quote. However, mtdt...your analysis is not needed because of all those coaches were former coaches prior to landing their new jobs. I am almost certain they had relationships already established with a lot of these players that they recruited to the new school for which the coach was hired. Hoyafansinceewingera, you just made the case why Patrick should not have been hired. Btw, I for one appreciate when mtdt takes the time to write his opinion with a long analysis based on facts. What I would say is that GU and coach Ewing are making some progress in recruiting. I would say, it is going to take a couple of years before it starts to pay dividends and we start to see the top four star players choosing to play for the Hoyas. It's been four years and the results do not improve. To Dave, I say Patrick's influence did pay off. Remember how he convinced Akinjo to come and join the Hoyas at the last hour? Remember when he got Mac to consider the Hoyas after he decommit from the Rutgers program? Remember Yurt saying he specifically wanted to play for Patrick Ewing? Do you remember a kid named LeBlanc who chose to leave the state of Louisiana? What about Cisse, who wears number 33 and is seriously considering to play for the Hoyas? Also, don't forget about brother Mutumbo who son is favored to play with the Hoyas. What do you say about Patrick's influence in those cases? Do you dismiss them? Don't forget how he lost his highest-ranked recruit Williams this year.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2020 16:29:32 GMT -5
Oh so you gonna quote me but you are not going to show me how to quote you, huhn? Oh okay, just gonna leave me hanging. Phoya, you got a lot of things to say don't you pal? Let me ask mtdt, dave and phoya something. I want to know from each one of you guys, name one person who you would want to hire that doesn't have any college coaching experience. Also, name one person who you would want GU to hire who does have very little college coaching experience. The reason why I am asking you guys to do so is to make it comparable to the hiring of Ewing. Please tell us who you guys would hire if you were GU and how this person would have done better than Ewing in four years.
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